Well, now Rich… $700 is perfectly reasonable considering it was going to take them two weeks worth of work. I mean, OBVIOUSLY the other guy was ripping you off! Westerbeke was charging for 2 weeks worth of actual work, while the other guy was charging you just for letting the thing soak in oil!

On 6/2/08 10:51 AM, wrote :

did this thing come off a boat or something?”

This, and this alone, is the difference between $700 and $140.
Quent

I'd've kept the Westerbeke and just taken my business to the local guy – I have a similar story with Universal. I wanted a spare injector for the engine. From Universal: $175. From Kubota: $45. Compression washer from Universal: $7. From Kubota: $0.75. Just recently I had to replace an alternator. From Westerbeke: $400.00. From the yard: $210. It looks identical, except it's black instead of red. Sure, it's a Delco, and it's not waterproof, but if water gets as high as the alternator it getting wet won't be my biggest problem.

It's just amazing what you can do when you research where the marine parts actually come from. Incidentally, the W58 is a marinized version of their 25KW generator engine. Parts for that are much less expensive.

Bob

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM, < ([email][/email])> wrote:

do you have the Kobota part numbers?
alan
— Robert Fine <> wrote:

I’d’ve kept the Westerbeke and just taken my
business to the local guy – I
have a similar story with Universal. I wanted a
spare injector for the
engine. From Universal: $175. From Kubota: $45.
Compression washer from
Universal: $7. From Kubota: $0.75. Just recently
I had to replace an
alternator. From Westerbeke: $400.00. From the
yard: $210. It looks
identical, except it’s black instead of red. Sure,
it’s a Delco, and it’s
not waterproof, but if water gets as high as the
alternator it getting wet
won’t be my biggest problem.

It’s just amazing what you can do when you research
where the marine parts
actually come from. Incidentally, the W58 is a
marinized version of their
25KW generator engine. Parts for that are much less
expensive.

Bob

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM,
<> wrote:

For those who haven’t heard this story, you may

find this amusing. Things

are a little slow here at work today, so I don’t

mind doing some typing.

About 15 years ago I decided to have the starter

on my old W60 rebuilt. I

called the local Westerbeke dealer and asked them

what it would cost. They

told me they rebuild them for time and materials.

You leave the starter

with them for a few weeks and when they get time

they rebuild them. It

typically runs about $700 or so, more or less. I

thought that was nuts, so

I pulled the starter and brought it into a local

shop that rebuilds starters

and alternators. I put the thing up on the

counter and had the owner

inspect it. He shook his head and said “there’s a

lot of rust here, did

this thing come off a boat or something?”

I nodded my head. He then turned it over and

shook his. “Oh, this is

going to be a little bit of work then. Look at

this bendix! This is the

old style. It will eat your flywheel. I’ll have

to replace it. I bet the

windings are shot too. I’ll have to soak it in

penetrating oil to even get

it disassembled. This is going to cost a few

bucks. Are you sure you want

this done?”

After having heard the $700+ figure from Hansen, I

was bracing myself for a

big boat-unit. I asked him what it would cost.

He replied “lets see, with

a new bendix, armature, and brushes, it will run

you about $140, but you’ll

have to leave it here for a couple of days for the

penetrating oil to soak.

This is the main reason that I now own a Yanmar.

—
Rich Carter

---

Original message

Hi Alan,

The Kubota was on a different boat – it was the XP25, a three cylinder 25 hp engine. My point was that Universal and to a lesser extent Westerbeke way overcharge for parts. If I can find out who makes the W58, you can be sure I'll be contacting them for parts.

I'm pretty sure that Westerbeke, like Universal and Beta Marine, doesn't manufacture their own engines – they marinize them.

Bob

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:11 AM, alan P < ([email][/email])> wrote:

do you have the Kobota part numbers?
alan
— Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:

I'd've kept the Westerbeke and just taken my
business to the local guy – I
have a similar story with Universal. I wanted a
spare injector for the
engine. From Universal: $175. From Kubota: $45.
Compression washer from
Universal: $7. From Kubota: $0.75. Just recently
I had to replace an
alternator. From Westerbeke: $400.00. From the
yard: $210. It looks
identical, except it's black instead of red. Sure,
it's a Delco, and it's
not waterproof, but if water gets as high as the
alternator it getting wet
won't be my biggest problem.

It's just amazing what you can do when you research
where the marine parts
actually come from. Incidentally, the W58 is a
marinized version of their
25KW generator engine. Parts for that are much less
expensive.

Bob

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM,
< ([email][/email])> wrote:

For those who haven't heard this story, you may

find this amusing. Things

are a little slow here at work today, so I don't

mind doing some typing.

About 15 years ago I decided to have the starter

on my old W60 rebuilt. I

called the local Westerbeke dealer and asked them

what it would cost. They

told me they rebuild them for time and materials.

You leave the starter

with them for a few weeks and when they get time

they rebuild them. It

typically runs about $700 or so, more or less. I

thought that was nuts, so

I pulled the starter and brought it into a local

shop that rebuilds starters

and alternators. I put the thing up on the

counter and had the owner

inspect it. He shook his head and said “there's a

lot of rust here, did

this thing come off a boat or something?”

I nodded my head. He then turned it over and

shook his. “Oh, this is

going to be a little bit of work then. Look at

this bendix! This is the

old style. It will eat your flywheel. I'll have

to replace it. I bet the

windings are shot too. I'll have to soak it in

penetrating oil to even get

it disassembled. This is going to cost a few

bucks. Are you sure you want

this done?”

After having heard the $700+ figure from Hansen, I

was bracing myself for a

big boat-unit. I asked him what it would cost.

He replied “lets see, with

a new bendix, armature, and brushes, it will run

you about $140, but you'll

have to leave it here for a couple of days for the

penetrating oil to soak.

This is the main reason that I now own a Yanmar.

—
Rich Carter

---

Original message

The Westerbeke 58 is a Mazda Industrial engine and parts are much less costly from Mazda. Jim 424 cutter #219

— wrote:

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Yeah, baby! That's what I'm talkin' about! Do you know which model? I'll see if my engine guys can get Mazda parts.

Bob

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:24 AM, James Roberts < ([email][/email])> wrote:

We went thru this a year ago. We know Mazda, but no
one can figure out which one.
a

— Robert Fine <> wrote:

Yeah, baby! That’s what I’m talkin’ about! Do you
know which model? I’ll
see if my engine guys can get Mazda parts.

Bob

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:24 AM, James Roberts
<> wrote:

The Westerbeke 58 is a Mazda Industrial engine and

parts are much less

I'm on the case, then. I'll get back to the group if and when I find out.

Bob

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:19 AM, alan P < ([email][/email])> wrote:

We went thru this a year ago. We know Mazda, but no
one can figure out which one.
a

— Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:

Yeah, baby! That's what I'm talkin' about! Do you
know which model? I'll
see if my engine guys can get Mazda parts.

Bob

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:24 AM, James Roberts
< ([email][/email])> wrote:

The Westerbeke 58 is a Mazda Industrial engine and

parts are much less

If I remember correctly, several of you bought a traveler from Garhauer Marine. If you did so, are you still happy with the purchase? What model did you buy? Who was the guy you worked with at Garhauer? I need a new traveler. If you guys are happy with the Garhauer unit I’ll order one.

Lee Y
Morning Glory #43

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Yes, it’s very, VERY well made.

I got the biggest one, the UBT 3 I think it is. I also got mine with 60 series stainless steel sheaves, which I think are little too big, I think 40’s are probably plenty.

I think Guido handles all of the travellers for Garhauer. They have the specs on file for the 424’s they’ve done.

Pix are online at http://www.ontheboat.net/gallery2/v/Ra/Projects/New+Traveller/

I think it was about a boat unit all in.

On 6/3/08 12:19 PM, Lee Yonkers wrote :

If I remember correctly, several of you bought a traveler from Garhauer Marine. If you did so, are you still happy with the purchase? What model did you buy? Who was the guy you worked with at Garhauer? I need a new traveler. If you guys are happy with the Garhauer unit I’ll order one.

Lee Y
Morning Glory #43

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We might be crossing back and forth here between the Westerbeke 60 and the Westerbeke 58. These are two different engines. Someone said a while back that the W-60 might be related to the London taxi engine, and built by Perkins.
The W-58 is a later model. The design is based on the Mazda XA, an industrial engine used in some forklifts. However the design was licensed to Perkins, who used it in various industrial applications, and who probably sold base engines to Westerbeke for the W-58 as they did for the W-60. I acquired (cheap) a gasket set for the Mazda XA, but none fit the W-58 that I have dissassembled in the garage.
The W-58 starter is an interesting situation. If you look at W’s parts book on line, they show a substitution for the original Westerbeke starter to ARCO #12101, but still the original $600+! If you google ARCO 12101, they are easy to find for about $250.
Quent

I always knew this engine as a Mazda 4-154 (4 cyl., 154 cu in.) I have not, however, tried to order parts from Mazda. I would love to be able to if we can figure out exactly which engine Mazda calls it!!

Rodd Leeds
Windseeker
1983 Cutter

Hey! How about this link? http://www.engnetglobal.com/c/c.aspx/PAR017/productdetail/PAR017_mazda

I'm going to call them to see if they can help identify the engine.

BOb

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Rodd Leeds < ([email][/email])> wrote:

Rich,

I noticed that you ordered a 70 inch traveler which is several inches longer than the traveler on my boat. So I went to the 424 site to look at the pictures you have posted and I saw that your traveler extends beyond the existing traveler mounts. I like that idea.

I have a question: where did you find the support extensions that allow you to mount a flat traveler on the existing mounts? I am going to have to get a set like the ones you have.

Lee

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Does anyone have the exact model of the Mazda engine?

James Roberts wrote:

Garhauer custom made mine from stainless steel. It was a large part of the cost, but phenomenally well made and strong.

On 6/4/08 8:37 AM, wrote :