Lee,
I looked into using rope for lifelines 4 years ago. I couldn't figure out how to stop chafe where the line goes through the stanchions. Viny hose doesn't leave much room for anything more than 1/8″ line. So I finally punted and went with the vinyl covered wire once more. That wire is already showing signs of age and I'll probably have to replace it within the next two years. If you come up with a good solution I'd like to hear about it. Bare SS wire is probably still the best solution.

John

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Lee Yonkers < ([email][/email])> wrote:

I need to replace my coated lifelines. I know I don't want the coated type which leaves me to choose between stainless steel and very low stretch line from Samson or New England Rope. I spoke with the folks at Sampson and asked them about the three year replacement requirement. The guy said that the line will last nearly forever; it is the fittings (made by Johnson) that need to be replaced every three years at Johnson's recommendation . He also said that there are lots of boats with way more than three years on them and they are working fine.

All comments, suggestions and recommendations appreciated.

Lee

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2 years ago we replaced the stanchions that sat on the deck with
stanchions we designed ( and Gauhauer fabricated for us ) to sit on the
caprail. We went from 10 stanchions to 6 stanchions. On the back 4
stanchions (2 on each side) we put a 7/8″ fiberglass rod inside the
stanchion to make it stiffer.

At the same time we changed from wire to rope lifelines. We used SK 75
Amsteel Blue by Samson 1/4″ line. Rather than use turnbuckles we used
brass eyes with Lash-It (Dyneema twine) to attach to the pushpit and
pull pit. So far we have seen no wear on the line. The only
maintenance is to tighten the lashings twice / season and renew the
“blue” coating occasionally. Splicing the stuff is not difficult but it
is critical that the slice be appropriate for the rope or the line loses
too much strength.

We love them. The lines are comfortable. The gates don’t “snake” on
the deck. The extra space from moving the stanchions outboard is really
nice.

Some pictures: https://www.pearson424.org/gallery/DELifelines

– pat

Lee Yonkers wrote, On 10/30/2008 5:00 PM:

I need to replace my coated lifelines. I know I don’t want the coated
type which leaves me to choose between stainless steel and very low
stretch line from Samson or New England Rope. I spoke with the folks
at Sampson and asked them about the three year replacement
requirement. The guy said that the line will last nearly forever; it
is the fittings (made by Johnson) that need to be replaced every three
years at Johnson’s recommendation . He also said that there are lots
of boats with way more than three years on them and they are working
fine.

All comments, suggestions and recommendations appreciated.

Lee

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To add to the confusion, SOLAS recommends bare SS wire. Dynel (I think) has rounded/trapeziodal cross sections for the strands so it's very round.

Bob

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The stanchion bases were $ 68 each including shipping ( $410 )
We reused the stanchions themselves
All the hardware: $ 150
The line: $ 145 (used it for a topping lift on the mizzen and made 2
loops as well, still have ~12 ft)
The lashing: $21
Fiberglass rods: $52

As for the old holes… well these things take time. We’ve removed the
leaky bases so far and filled them temporarily with Marine-Tex.. (We had
drilled them all out and filled them with expoxy when we first purchased
the boat. We’re trying to get all the deck work done and then we’ll
“fix” these holes as well.

The caprail is coated with Semco Natural. The cockpit combing
(DSC01489.JPG) is varnish.

– pat

Aaron Lynch wrote, On 10/30/2008 9:27 PM:

Pat, that’s very interesting. Wish I knew about this a year ago when I
replaced mine (already rusting again)

How much did this cost you all in?

Also in this picture:
https://www.pearson424.org/gallery/DELifelines/DSC01143

Did you varnish your caprail or let it go?

And lastly, how’d you fill all the holes left from the stancions?

On 10/30/08 5:02 PM, pat noordsij wrote :

2 years ago we replaced the stanchions that sat on the deck with
stanchions we designed ( and Gauhauer fabricated for us ) to sit
on the
caprail. We went from 10 stanchions to 6 stanchions. On the back 4
stanchions (2 on each side) we put a 7/8″ fiberglass rod inside the
stanchion to make it stiffer.

At the same time we changed from wire to rope lifelines. We used
SK 75
Amsteel Blue by Samson 1/4″ line. Rather than use turnbuckles we used
brass eyes with Lash-It (Dyneema twine) to attach to the pushpit and
pull pit. So far we have seen no wear on the line. The only
maintenance is to tighten the lashings twice / season and renew the
“blue” coating occasionally. Splicing the stuff is not difficult
but it
is critical that the slice be appropriate for the rope or the line
loses
too much strength.

We love them. The lines are comfortable. The gates don’t “snake” on
the deck. The extra space from moving the stanchions outboard is
really
nice.

Some pictures: https://www.pearson424.org/gallery/DELifelines

– pat

Lee Yonkers wrote, On 10/30/2008 5:00 PM:

I need to replace my coated lifelines. I know I don’t want the

coated

type which leaves me to choose between stainless steel and very low
stretch line from Samson or New England Rope. I spoke with the folks
at Sampson and asked them about the three year replacement
requirement. The guy said that the line will last nearly forever; it
is the fittings (made by Johnson) that need to be replaced every

three

years at Johnson’s recommendation . He also said that there are lots
of boats with way more than three years on them and they are working
fine.

All comments, suggestions and recommendations appreciated.

Lee

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We used our old shrouds and Norseman fittings. They were too old to hold the mast, and too good to throw away. The 5/16″ diameter is comfortable to lean against, and fits the stanchion hole, and does not chafe. A bit heavy, but the price was right.
Quent

Cool Pat,
Your side decks look much wider with the lifelines moved out. I never liked the stanchions as installed by Pearson. The deck is not properly reinforced, the gate supports are weak, and the lifeline is too low to properly clear the winch crank handle. I’ve been considering replacing at least the two gate stanchions with something taller and stronger. Its on the list of things that “ain’t broke but don’t work well”. I may never get to it.

What did Gauhauer charge for the stanchions?

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Lee, my life lines are in the mail on the way back. I used Seco South. I sent them the old ones on Monday. I went with 1×19 SS. All hardware was replaced. Before removal I marked the location of the turnbuckles with sharpie on the threads and labeled each section.
I spoke with the tech before he got started about the possibility of wear, where the cable passes through the stanchion. He said the cable probably won't be harmed (he said the quality of the cable could actually saw away at the stanchion). As an after thought I figured I could have supplied some clear pvc tubing that would fit inside the stanchions and had them slip a 6″ section on each before swaging the ends. During install cut into equal sections place one at each pass through.

He also said owners use the coated stuff more often and charter companies use the un-coated. Sea Duty's not the gem of the marina. I'm going for functionality.

The whole job was 5 boat units.

http://www.secosouth.com/

Chuck

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Lee Yonkers < ([email][/email])> wrote:

I need to replace my coated lifelines. I know I don't want the coated type which leaves me to choose between stainless steel and very low stretch line from Samson or New England Rope. I spoke with the folks at Sampson and asked them about the three year replacement requirement. The guy said that the line will last nearly forever; it is the fittings (made by Johnson) that need to be replaced every three years at Johnson's recommendation . He also said that there are lots of boats with way more than three years on them and they are working fine.

All comments, suggestions and recommendations appreciated.

Lee

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