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    • #67237
      RichCarter
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      I have a spare ICOM 706 HF SSB amateur radio that I’ll be listing on ebay.
      If anyone is interested in upgrading or adding to their boat radio
      equipment, please contact me for more information. I’ll wait a few days
      before posting it.

      Rich
      BlackSheep


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    • #71021
      madsailor
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      Hi Rich,

      I want to get my General licence – is this a good radio for that? If so, what are you asking for it and is there a tuner or anything else involved?

      Thanks,

      Bob

      On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Rich Carter < ([email][/email])> wrote:

      I have a spare ICOM 706 HF SSB amateur radio that I'll be listing on ebay.
      If anyone is interested in upgrading or adding to their boat radio
      equipment, please contact me for more information. I'll wait a few days
      before posting it.

      Rich
      BlackSheep


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    • #71022
      Tor
      Participant

      Hi Rich,

      If it turns out it’s not right for Bob, I’m interested: ()

      Thanks,

      Tor
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    • #71025
      RichCarter
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      I’ve owned a few dozen amateur radio SSB rigs over the years. Restoring them is one of my hobbies. Most modern HF rigs will operate on the marine bands with a simple modification. The modification varies from radio to radio, but usually involves opening the radio and cutting a wire or clipping off a diode. Specific information can be found at http://www.ham.dmz.ro/. Modifications such as this will allow transmission in the marine SSB band allocation. Receive usually requires no modification. While technically these radios are perfectly capable of operating in the marine bands, they are not type approved for such operation. This means the the FCC has not approved use of these radios in the marine bands. If ham radios are perfectly capable of operating in the marine bands, why don’t the radio manufacturers apply for marine band type approval for their amateur rigs? I believe that they repackage their amateur radios in different cases and sell them as approved marine
      rigs e
      ven though internally the radios are almost identical. In the case of a marine band radio, they would remove some features that someone with limited knowledge of radios would find confusing such as RF gain, IF shift, and filtering. Since the radios are internally identical, they can be sold as being usable on amateur bands. The only difference then is that the marine band version has been lobotomized and they jack up the price.

      If you get caught operating a non approved radio in the marine bands you could get slapped with a fine. While the FCC has the right to impose a fine, I’ve never heard of a fine being imposed for this kind of thing. It is more likely that the offender would receive a letter of complaint from the FCC and would have to respond in writing. This assumes that the FCC catches you. If your radio sounds like a marine radio, how could they know? If you plan to use an amateur radio on the marine bands, you probably want to get one that has a high stability VFO. This is standard on marine radios and is usually an option on amateur radios. This will keep your frequency stable and make the amateur radio sound exactly like a marine SSB. Most cruising folks don’t bother to spend the extra money for a radio with a high-stability VFO because most modern rigs are pretty stable even if they don’t have the option installed. It’s nice to have the option, but you don’t really need it. O
      f cour
      se, you can always operate anything anywhere in an emergency.

      I have a marine band SSB radio installed in my nav station. In addition to the marine band radio, I have an amateur radio also installed. That way I can legally operate in either service and I have the capability of a full featured amateur radio. Most radios, both marine and amateur, designed for mobile installation come in small cases and have limited cooling capability. They won’t run digital operations for extended periods of time. They have thermal protection so they won’t get damaged however. They will just cut back their power if they overheat. I run digital operations using my radios frequently and have no problem with overheating. There are many digital modes. It is possible that some radios may have issues with overheating using some modes such as Pactor. If you are considering using any radio for extended length digitial transmissions, I suggest contacting someone who is familiar with the mode to discuss possible problems.

      I recommend a used ICOM-706 as a good second HF radio. At only about $400, they are a good value and make a very good amateur radio. They are small and easy to mount too. As I’ve said many times, there are better radios out there, but they are marginally better and most are much more expensive.

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    • #71027
      Hull152_Patrick
      Spectator

      How did you setup your antenna on Black Sheep?

      I think my PO has the entire standing rigging (since it’s all bonded together) setup as the antenna. I definitely don’t have an antenna built into a stay with isolators.

      -p


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    • #71029
      RichCarter
      Participant

      In theory, you could use the entire rig as an antenna without even removing the grounds, but it would only work on a few very specific frequencies. Under no circumstances would I recommend removing the bonds from your rig. I have an HF whip antenna that I am not satisfied with. I’m switching to an insulated backstay. The insulators are expensive. I don’t have a bill yet, but I expect it to run about $600.

      I recommend having a backup antenna in case your lose your mast. There are many possible backups from flying a kite with a wire to adding an inexpensive set of hamSticks. Outbacker even makes an antenna that covers the marine bands. You can buy a set of hamsticks for less than $100. They don’t take any room if you store them under one of the mattresses.

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    • #71038
      Tor
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      Thank you, Rich, for enlightening us – me – on the basics of HF/SSB radios. Two questions:

      1) When you talk about digital transmissions, are you referring to sending/receiving text and images such as email and weatherfax?

      2) I had an SSB on my last cruising boat and just used it socially and only occasionally, plus for receiving weatherfax prior to and during passages. This time around I’m likely to be sending/receiving email, too, when a shore-based wi-fi signal isn’t available. I’m only going to buy one radio, and it’s not important to me to have the Rolls Royce model, just good all around performance in a seaworthy unit. I’m on a cruiser’s budget, too, and prefer to spend less rather than more, but another one or two hundred dollars isn’t a big deal for something markedly better. Considering all this, I’d be grateful for your opinion of the most suitable one or two or three specific HF models I should be seeking, on eBay or wherever.

      If you still prefer I call you to discuss the variables in more detail, I’ll gladly do that today or whenever it’s convenient for you. I’m on the East Coast, too.

      Thanks again,

      Tor
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    • #71042
      RichCarter
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      Tor
      By digital transmissions, I mean digital modes such as WEFAX, PACTOR, FSK, and PSK-31. There are free or for-sale computer programs that allow you to send and receive such stuff. To connect your laptop to your HF radio, get one of these. This is an adapter that safely connects your computer and radio. It also comes with free software.
      http://www.buxcomm.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2

      As I’ve mentioned in earlier messages, the ICOM IC-706 is a very good value. At around $400 on ebay, it is one of the least expensive all-mode HF/VHF radios that you can buy. If you want to spend a little more money, go for the IC-706MKIIG. A search on ebay completed items show that they have recently sold from $530 to $690. The later model has better filtering and works on the UHF band. There are other radios out there that are as good or better, but for the marine market, I think that either of these would be the best choice. When I decided to add a second transceiver to my nave station, I went with the original IC-706 because I saw no reason to spend the extra money on the features the more expensive model offers that I would probably never use on the boat. I’ve decided to swap out that IC-706 for a Yaesu FT-897 because I have Yaesu in my truck. I find it awkward to keep switching between the front-panel controls of the Yaesu and the ICOM. It would be easier if I
      only
      had to deal with one user interface. The Yaesu is similar to the IC-706MKIIG in features and performance.

      If you want to call me to ask specific questions, please feel free.
      Rich Carter (603) 889-2459 (home in NH)


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