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June 14, 2009 at 11:54 am #67541
john stevensonParticipantI just took a 6 month berth in New Bern, NC. So it looks like I'll be here until at least November, and probably the winter as well. I had planned to return briefly to the Chesapeake and the return south looking for a winter berth, but the ICW was just too tedious and the all-nighters from one inlet to another had gotten real old. So I'lve parked for awhile. The Bridge Pt. Marina is very live-aboard friendly and it will be nice to have a real town nearby for the first time since I left Portugal.
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June 14, 2009 at 2:55 pm #72842
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Hi John,
What are the rates at that marina in New Bern, or it’s name / web site where I might find out? I heard there was a waiting list for liveaboard spots in New Bern, but maybe that was a different marina.
Silver Heels and I ducked into Masonboro Inlet late yesterday and anchored behind Wrightsville Beach after an eventful little sail outside from St. Mary’s Inlet. Ought to be heading up to Beaufort (NC) in a few days.
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June 14, 2009 at 6:06 pm #72843
john stevensonParticipantTor,
I may have just lucked out on timing (the marina appears pretty full). This is the BridgePointe Marina.
There is another marina across the harbor (town side) that looks a little more upscale. I never inquired there. I'm paying a little less than $300/mo for a 50' slip. Electricity is metered. The operation is pretty laid-back and not a little dis-organized. When I originally inquired about a berth I was told they had this 50' slip, but there was a boat in it that was going to move. When I got here on Friday the manager showed where my slip would be and that the powerboat in it was moving this weekend. Yesterday afternoon I noticed the boat had left so I moved into the berth. This morning I got a knock on the hull and the guy who owns the powerboat says I'm in his slip. I said I was directed here by the manager and he said OK and put his boat in another open slip. The marina office is closed on weekends.
So I guess the rule is don't vacate your slip on a weekend.
I did inquire at the Mathews Pt. Marina, which is closer to Oriental (across the Neuse). Their rates were lower, but they also said my draught was at the limit of what they believe they can accommodate, although there is another P424 in that marina. I had already decided to check out this marina so I didn't ask about the Mathews Pt. live-aboard policy, but I have been told they do accommodate live-aboards.
I think the place that has very limited space for live-aboards is Oriental. Every place I inquired there would allow live-aboard only for transients.On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Hi John,
What are the rates at that marina in New Bern, or it's name / web site where I might find out? I heard there was a waiting list for liveaboard spots in New Bern, but maybe that was a different marina.
Silver Heels and I ducked into Masonboro Inlet late yesterday and anchored behind Wrightsville Beach after an eventful little sail outside from St. Mary's Inlet. Ought to be heading up to Beaufort (NC) in a few days.
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June 14, 2009 at 7:58 pm #72844
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Thanks, John. I was more curious than planning, but who knows which way the wind will blow?
A question more on my mind for the immediate future is where are the best hurricane holes in that part of North Carolina, or is that an oxymoron? I’m sure you’ve looked into it (as I will when I get up there later this week). Any great discoveries you’re willing to share?
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June 14, 2009 at 8:24 pm #72845
john stevensonParticipantTor,
My understanding is that this area rarely gets serious attention from the Hurricanes. Maybe a lot of rain and wind, but very little storm surge. I really haven't looked into it in great detail, but I would guess the upper Neuse is pretty much off the surge path. I certainly would avoid all of the coastal areas, plus anything in the vicinity of Pamlico and Albemarle Sounds. My experience from a number off Hurricanes on the Chesapeake is to position oneself with as much watershed as possible between you and the coast. I think New Bern does that. Hope I don't have to find out.On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Thanks, John. I was more curious than planning, but who knows which way the wind will blow?
A question more on my mind for the immediate future is where are the best hurricane holes in that part of North Carolina, or is that an oxymoron? I'm sure you've looked into it (as I will when I get up there later this week). Any great discoveries you're willing to share?
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June 14, 2009 at 9:04 pm #72846
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John,
No doubt you’re fight, and I’m hoping right along with you, but North Carolina in general does seem to be a hurricane magnet, getting more than its share most seasons of late. Good point about getting farther inland to avoid the surge. Still, wind is wind and waves can get nasty with even a little fetch whether or not the water depth surges. I happened to be visiting in Beaufort a few years ago when a little Category 1-2 hit. It threw a whole bunch of boats up onto the hard overnight, many sustaining hull and deck damage as one might expect from such a violent beaching. I’d like to find a landlocked hole I can scurry to when the alarm sounds. Figured I’d start looking now. Will keep you posted.
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June 14, 2009 at 9:08 pm #72847
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Meant to say, “No doubt you’re right.”
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June 14, 2009 at 9:31 pm #72848
john stevensonParticipantTor,
I can't argue against finding a real hole, but I think NC gets its reputation for Hurricanes because it sticks way out there and intercepts the hurricanes that re-curve off the coast. Those Hurricanes eventually head NE toward New England, but not before they plow through the NC Sounds area. I think if you look at the storm tracks in this area, those that go well inland do so north and east of this area. Storm surge still does most of the damage to boats and marinas. In Beaufort you have all of those boats on moorings, which don't handle surge very well. And of course Beaufort is basically open to the surge coming from the ocean.The best Hurricane holes are probably on the Chesapeake. You can go way up the rivers on the western shore and find little coves that will provide all-round protection. The Chesapeake gets significant storm surge only when the Hurricane tracks up the western shore, drawing water into the mouth of the bay. In over of 30 years on the Bay the only storm that came close to that worst case track was Isabel in 2003. We got about 4' of storm surge on the Patuxent, which did little damage. That same surge in Annapolis caused major damage.
This marina has floating docks, which can be problem is one of them breaks loose (as happen at the Ft. Pierce City Marina in 2004). At least the pilings are tall enough for a 6' surge.
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June 14, 2009 at 9:35 pm #72849
john stevensonParticipantBTW,
You must be getting a lot of T'storms down that way this afternoon. Looks like that weak front is south of here, but still lying right in your area. Hope it cools off a bit tomorrow. I'm more worried about heat stroke spending the summer in NC than I am of Hurricanes.On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
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I can't argue against finding a real hole, but I think NC gets its reputation for Hurricanes because it sticks way out there and intercepts the hurricanes that re-curve off the coast. Those Hurricanes eventually head NE toward New England, but not before they plow through the NC Sounds area. I think if you look at the storm tracks in this area, those that go well inland do so north and east of this area. Storm surge still does most of the damage to boats and marinas. In Beaufort you have all of those boats on moorings, which don't handle surge very well. And of course Beaufort is basically open to the surge coming from the ocean.The best Hurricane holes are probably on the Chesapeake. You can go way up the rivers on the western shore and find little coves that will provide all-round protection. The Chesapeake gets significant storm surge only when the Hurricane tracks up the western shore, drawing water into the mouth of the bay. In over of 30 years on the Bay the only storm that came close to that worst case track was Isabel in 2003. We got about 4' of storm surge on the Patuxent, which did little damage. That same surge in Annapolis caused major damage.
This marina has floating docks, which can be problem is one of them breaks loose (as happen at the Ft. Pierce City Marina in 2004). At least the pilings are tall enough for a 6' surge.
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June 15, 2009 at 6:21 am #72850
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John Stevenson wrote:
I’m paying a little less than $300/mo for a 50′ slip.
<http://www.svsarah.com>man, do I gotta move! Our slip is $1300.
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June 15, 2009 at 11:18 am #72851
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John,
I’ve been thinking about moving up to the Chesapeake for August/September specifically for the reasons you listed. I rode out a tropical storm aboard last year, way up the St. John’s River in NE FL. I would not want to get in the say of something twice as ferocious as that.
Barely a sprinkle and some distant thunder here yesterday, but both nights offshore during my sail a few days ago, from Fernandina Beach to Wrightsville beach, I had lines of very nasty thunder storms come charging out from the land. I was 30-40 miles out, barely catching the inner edge of the Gulf Stream. The storms packed winds up to 40, maybe 50 knots up front, then torrential rain and enough lightening to read by, bolts slamming into the sea around me with ear-shattering explosions of thunder. I recall thinking I really ought to sell this damned boat and find myself a nice cabin in the woods.
As for heat, I’m basking in the relative coolness here. Back in Green Cove Springs, where I did my refit, it’s 100° every day now, and humid. This Carolina is downright refreshing!
Tor
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June 15, 2009 at 11:21 am #72852
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Aaron,
It’s a different world outside the Northeast. I was paying about $300/mo. where I did my refit in NE FL, including liveaboard, water, and the (metered) electricity.
Tor
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June 15, 2009 at 2:37 pm #72853
john stevensonParticipantTor,
August & September in the Chesapeake. You'll have to get north of Annapolis in August to avoid the worst of the Sea Nettle season. It'll be as hot as Florida most days, but south of Annapolis you can't jump in the water to cool off unless you're wearing a nettle suit or have an inflatable nettle pool to hang off the stern. By September things start to improve. October is usually the best cruising month on the Chesapeake. For some reason it always seemed that the nettles started to disappear around labor day. Maybe they have calendar.On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Aaron,
It's a different world outside the Northeast. I was paying about $300/mo. where I did my refit in NE FL, including liveaboard, water, and the (metered) electricity.
Tor
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June 15, 2009 at 3:31 pm #72856
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Well, I’m still mulling it over. It’s possible I’ll have to be at the Annapolis Sailboat Show in early October, which would make the decision for me of whether or not to go up to the Chesapeake.
Hope to pay you a visit in New Bern, in any case. Will be in touch about that.
Tor
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June 15, 2009 at 4:55 pm #72860
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ModeratorWow! Tor, I'll be heading down from Connecticut at the same time! I'm off to the Bahamas then although there are places I want to stop and see and generally fool around at!
Bob
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Well, I'm still mulling it over. It's possible I'll have to be at the Annapolis Sailboat Show in early October, which would make the decision for me of whether or not to go up to the Chesapeake.
Hope to pay you a visit in New Bern, in any case. Will be in touch about that.
Tor
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June 15, 2009 at 5:21 pm #72862
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I believe they’re called clevis pins, the little buggers.
We’ll have to see about hooking up in the fall. If I find some suitable hurricane holes in the area of North Carolina I’m visiting, AND if I don’t have to work the Annapolis sailboat show in October, then I probably won’t go up to the Chesapeake at all. If, if, if…
In any case, the plan now is to be back in Beaufort, NC in November, top off provisions, and jump off from there for the Windward Islands, perhaps via Bermuda.
Or maybe I’ll wise up, sell the boat, and get that cabin in the woods I was thinking about the other night when Neptune and Thor were having their little sport with me. Meanwhile, let’s touch base early fall about meeting up!
Tor
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June 15, 2009 at 8:04 pm #72868
john stevensonParticipantTor,
Are you planned to use the ICW from Wrightsville Beach or go outside to Morehead Cty?
If considering the ICW you may want to check on the activities at Camp Lejune. I was held up for over an hour just north of the Onslow Beach Bridge for a live fire exercise last week.On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:I believe they're called clevis pins, the little buggers.
We'll have to see about hooking up in the fall. If I find some suitable hurricane holes in the area of North Carolina I'm visiting, AND if I don't have to work the Annapolis sailboat show in October, then I probably won't go up to the Chesapeake at all. If, if, if…
In any case, the plan now is to be back in Beaufort, NC in November, top off provisions, and jump off from there for the Windward Islands, perhaps via Bermuda.
Or maybe I'll wise up, sell the boat, and get that cabin in the woods I was thinking about the other night when Neptune and Thor were having their little sport with me. Meanwhile, let's touch base early fall about meeting up!
Tor
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June 15, 2009 at 8:23 pm #72869
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John,
I haven’t decided yet about inside or outside to Beaufort. Mostly depends on what the wind is doing out there when I leave. Right now it’s NE, dead on the nose for that leg. If I do use the ICW, I’ll be sure to wear my flak jacket & helmet and fly my flag high. Thanks for the heads up.
Tor
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June 15, 2009 at 8:25 pm #72870
john stevensonParticipantDefinitely don't wear your turban while on deck
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I haven't decided yet about inside or outside to Beaufort. Mostly depends on what the wind is doing out there when I leave. Right now it's NE, dead on the nose for that leg. If I do use the ICW, I'll be sure to wear my flak jacket & helmet and fly my flag high. Thanks for the heads up.Tor
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June 15, 2009 at 9:07 pm #72871
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June 19, 2009 at 6:00 pm #72907
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Welcome to North Carolina. Cori and I are on Hi Flite here at Mathews Point. I work in New Bern but am off for the summer but will swing by next time we are in town. I am not familiar with the hurricane holes up river but we anchor out here in Clubfoot Creek for the storms. So far only had to deal with Ophelia and last years tropical storm so we are not yet “experts.”
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June 20, 2009 at 11:56 am #72909
john stevensonParticipantThanks, Dale.
Look forward to meeting you.
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Quote:Welcome to North Carolina. Cori and I are on Hi Flite here at Mathews Point. I work in New Bern but am off for the summer but will swing by next time we are in town. I am not familiar with the hurricane holes up river but we anchor out here in Clubfoot Creek for the storms. So far only had to deal with Ophelia and last years tropical storm so we are not yet “experts.”
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