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I’ve updated all of the shower fixtures on our boat, but would like to know how others have plumbed their shower sump pump. Lady Leanne has never had a sump (that I can tell) and the shower drains directly into the bilge through a simple hose.
There is a switch labeled sump pump on the distribution box, which makes me believe that this might have been an option. This will be easy to wire, but how is the output of the sump plumbed into the system so that it drains overboard?
Dan Kalinowski
Lady Leanne II (#135)
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Hi Dan,
On Pelican, there used to be a sump that stretched across the bilge – it was useless. However, the pump that served it is under the galley sink (L- layout). It's one of those diaphragm pumps. When I removed the sump, I replaced it with a strainer although the pump doesn't really need one. So, the shower basin itself is the sump and pumped overboard via the pump under the sink. It's probably not the most rational layout now that I think about it, but it does work.
The only downside is that the shower stall will overflow if more than about 10 gallons go into it. That and you have to clean the bottom part of the stall more frequently than the top. But other than that, it's great. Some people don't like standing in water when showering so they'd be better off installing a sump under the shower drain (there's room, but what a pain in the ass to do) and plumbing its pump overboard.
Regards,
Bob
Bob Fine
s/v Pelican
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Dan,
My boat originally came with the shower draining into the bilge. Gross! So I installed a direct overboard shower pump out set up similar to Bob’s. The original sump pump was MIA, so I installed a pump (with in-line strainer) at the foot of the locker underneath the head sink, with an easy to feel, household-style manual switch just outside the shower stall on the face of that sink locker so I can activate the pump while showering. I (still) intend to put a grate over the shower sole, raised an inch so I don’t have to stand in the water that collects.
Tor
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Dan
Odd that you lack a sump. My boat came with a sump tank and diaphram pump. The pan is in the bilge forward of the v-drive. The pump was mounted on the top. Having shower water drain into the bilge is not recommended. I never liked the pan because it will fill with hair and other debris over time. I bypassed it and relocated the pump to space under the galley sink. A large strainer will protect the pump. I run the pump while showering. I added a Y valve so that I can use it as a bilge pump if I chose.regards
Rich
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Dan,
My arrangement is very similar to what Rich, Bob, Tor and the others have described. I still have the shower sump on the boat, because I can't get it out. It is located on top of the keel just aft of the mast step. It appears to be glassed in place. One of the tail pieces on the sump broke off in 2000, so I just connected the hose from the shower drain directly to a macerator pump. I had a couple of failures of that pump (Whale) so I went to a Jabsco pump with a filter guard. I have to clean the filter about once of month, which is not bad considering I live aboard – of course others would say it is because I don't shower often enough.
So you make actually have a sump if you haven't looked on top of the keel. As one of the others pointed out a sump is just a place to collect soap scum and hair, a better place is a strainer on the pump.John
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Odd that you lack a sump. My boat came with a sump tank and diaphram pump. The pan is in the bilge forward of the v-drive. The pump was mounted on the top. Having shower water drain into the bilge is not recommended. I never liked the pan because it will fill with hair and other debris over time. I bypassed it and relocated the pump to space under the galley sink. A large strainer will protect the pump. I run the pump while showering. I added a Y valve so that I can use it as a bilge pump if I chose.regards
Rich
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I had a shower sump box with pump in it that was nasty and had lost the top cover. I put in a new one: http://bit.ly/showersump
Works like a charm and its very quiet.-=p
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
Thanks for the info. I thoroughly checked under the floorboards for a sump and found nothing, only the holding tank. Just forward of the v drive is a flat open space (which falls to the abyss of the bilge on the other side) that shows no sign of any previous rework and is the home of the high water alarm. Just aft of the mast step (accessed through the small access panels around the mast) is the holding tank.
My plan is to install one of the sumps with a pump from West on the flat space forward of the v drive. What would be the recommended way to tie the output from the pump to an overboard discharge in the existing plumbing system? It seems to make sense to tie it into the discharge from the macerator. But how would I prevent back flow into the holding tank without installing a manual valve that would be a pain to access every time you would want to shower? How can I get the shower water out of the boat?
Mahalo
Dan Kalinowski
Lady Leanne II (#135)
Honolulu -
I am looking at replacing the cap rail and an aluminum cap rail makes a lot of sense to me. Does anyone have an idea about who might be able to fabricate one?
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Hi Lee,
Instead of aluminum (which corrodes quite easily) how about HDPE which does not? Also, it doesn't require any maintenance at all. There is one of us who replaced his caprail with stainless steel. I find that to be really interesting!
Bob
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I am looking at replacing the cap rail and an aluminum cap rail makes a lot of sense to me. Does anyone have an idea about who might be able to fabricate one?
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Bob Fine
s/v Pelican
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