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    • #67761
      madsailor
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      Has any of you ever changed the oil in a Maxwell 1200 electric windlass?  Before I go ripping into it, I'd like to know just what bolts I have to remove or all of them.

      Bob
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    • #74136
      RLeeds
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      Bob-
      In mine there is a sight glass that is built into a bolt. The whole thing unscrews and I put in an oil suction hose into the gearcase. Then refill– It’s a simple operation!

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    • #74137
      madsailor
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      Hi Rodd,

      I have the same thing, but the level is supposed to be 1/2 way up the sight glass.  How do you do that without spilling a great deal of oil?  The manual says to drop and clean the gear box, but which screws?  Do I need to take off the 'C' clip on the bottom of the shaft?  It's all very unclear.  Really a terrible manual.

      Since they were building the thing, why didn't they put a zirc fitting or even a simple 1/4″ pipe plug near the top (above the height of the sight glass)?

      Mysteries of the universe, I guess.  I may get out my drills and taps and do the deed myself.

      Bob

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    • #74138
      RLeeds
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      Bob-

      I recall unscrewing the bolt and capturing the gear oil and measuring it to put back the same amount that came out. All I did was drain and refill with oil. I didn’t clean out the gearbox as you are asking about.

      Rodd

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    • #74139
      madsailor
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      How did you make it half full?  Or could you not see the level in the bolt to begin with?  That's the problem

      Bob

      On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rodd Leeds < ([email][/email])> wrote:

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      I recall unscrewing the bolt and capturing the gear oil and measuring it to put back the same amount that came out. All I did was drain and refill with oil. I didn't clean out the gearbox as you are asking about.
       
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    • #74140
      RLeeds
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      I could not see thru the glass–that’s why I added back the same amount I drained out, and it is working perfectly so far (5 years since the oil change).

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    • #74141
      madsailor
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      Ah, well, never argue with sucess, I say.

      Thanks,

      Bob

      On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Rodd Leeds < ([email][/email])> wrote:

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    • #74143
      Phil Fontaine
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      Rod/Bob
      It might be that there are different sight glass arrangements. Mine sounds as though it is like Bob’s. It is a horizontal plastic fitting on the side of the gear box and there is no way of removing it without losing about half the oil and then no way to put the oil back in to the proper level.
      My Maxwell 1200 developed a seal leak between the motor and gear box last year and I could not confirm that I had sufficient oil by looking at the sight glass. The first thing I did was to talk to a Maxwell service rep and confirmed that the gear box had to be dismounted to add oil to the proper level. It was not practical for me to do that at the time so I stopped using the windlass until the boat was on the hard last winter before attacking the problem. While it is possible to dismount the gear box and motor together it would be a two man job and probably not worth the effort since it is relatively easy to remove the motor first. If I recall correctly, there are four bolts going up through the gear box from below that must be removed to drop the gear box. It is not necessary to mess with the snap ring on the shaft. Once removed one can simply pour the oil out, add new gear oil to the proper level (half way up the sight glass/plug) and reassemble. Not a very neat engineering job but that is the way it is.
      Seals, if required, can be purchased as a kit (about $50.00) from one of the US reps listed on the Maxwell web-site. Those reps are not all created equal. It took me three tries before I found one who was knowledgeable, had the parts and was willing to tell me how to replace the seals.I replaced only the leaking seal between the motor and gear box and had no problem with reassembly.
      Phil Fontaine

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    • #74146
      madsailor
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      Hi Phil,

      Thanks for that info!  Just what I needed. The 4 bolts you removed are allen bolts, are they not?  The big bolts through the deck don't really do what I need, correct?

      I'm thinking of drilling and tapping a 1/4-20 hole in the case or sight glass so I can use a bolt with an o-ring to seal the hole.  Then I can drain with sight glass and fill with hole.  Hey! Presto! I can service it regularly (although Maxwell indicates only once every three years….I'm sure mine hasn't been serviced since it was installed in 1991.

      Anyway, I'll let you know how that goes.  By the way, how did you know the seal was leaking?

      Bob

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    • #74147
      Phil Fontaine
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      Hi Bob,
      You are correct. Just remove the four allen head bolts.
      I don’t see why your servicing plan should not work fine, presuming there is no feature inside the gear housing that shouldn’t be drilled. I’m sure you will be able to determine that when you remove it. I had never serviced mine (nine years) until I had the leak. There was a little gear wear but the remaining oil looked good and was still high enough to be providing lubrication (thopugh not visible in the sight glass). My unit is installed in the forward cabin and the leak became noticeable when it dripped on one of the bunk cushions.
      Good luck.
      Phil

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