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Anywhere from $1500 to $8000 depending on the workmanship for a mainsail with the asian lofts and production lofts being the cheapest and the hand-worked high-end high-featured sail lofts (Hasse and Schauttauer) at the top end.
I’ll send out my quote spreadsheet again after I enter in the Hasse information. Schattauer has been the highest price but those hand-sewn bolt ropes look bomb-proof.
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Hi Lee,
I’m sure you’ll get good sails from Mack, but you are mistaken to assume that all “Chinese” sails are inferior. Some of the top lofts in Hong Kong have been providing first rate sails to boaters for 50 years or more, and their craftsmanship is as good as (or better than) any in the world. They are very specific about what materials they’re using, and they’ll use something else if you specify it. Service? At least one of the lofts – Lee Sails, I think, but I’d have to check my notes to be sure – sends a regional rep to your US-based boat with your new suit of sails to help install and check them for fit, etc, and then corrects any imperfections. You can call him back if there are problems later, or call their US office. (Yes, they speak English.) They’re in business for the long term and I’ve never heard anything but praise since the 1960’s. Check the SSCA blog for “Hong Kong sails”. Nothing but praise, and lots of it.
Do I prefer to buy American? Yes, when it’s not too too financially painful. But I’m a cruising sailor and can’t afford to pay someone $75 or more per hour to sew, not when there’s a craftsman just an email away with a lifetime of experience who sews beautifully for $75 per day (actually, it’s probably a lot less than that). Look around your boat and see how much of the equipment comes from abroad. All the electronics and half the hardware, for starters.
Your choice of an American sailmaker is a good one and you’re right to feel confident in what you’re getting, but using a reputable Hong Kong loft at half the price is just as valid and, IMHO, a better value. Different strokes.
Tor
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Anyone put in a Strong Track system on their mainsail? I have a friend
who swears by his and I am about to put one on mine.Pete
Silver Heels wrote:
Quote:*Hi Lee,*
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*I’m sure you’ll get good sails from Mack, but you are mistaken
to assume that all “Chinese” sails are inferior. Some of the top lofts
in Hong Kong have been providing first rate sails to boaters for 50
years or more, and their craftsmanship is as good as (or better
than) any in the world. They are very specific about what materials
they’re using, and they’ll use something else if you specify it.
Service? At least one of the lofts – Lee Sails, I think, but I’d have
to check my notes to be sure – sends a regional rep to your US-based
boat with your new suit of sails to help install and check them for
fit, etc, and then corrects any imperfections. You can call him back
if there are problems later, or call their US office. (Yes, they speak
English.) They’re in business for the long term and I’ve never heard
anything but praise since the 1960’s. Check the SSCA blog for “Hong
Kong sails”. Nothing but praise, and lots of it. *
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*Do I prefer to buy American? Yes, when it’s not too too financially
painful. But I’m a cruising sailor and can’t afford to pay someone $75
or more per hour to sew, not when there’s a craftsman just an email
away with a lifetime of experience who sews beautifully for $75 per
day (actually, it’s probably a lot less than that). Look around your
boat and see how much of the equipment comes from abroad. All the
electronics and half the hardware, for starters. *
**
*Your choice of an American sailmaker is a good one and you’re right
to feel confident in what you’re getting, but using a reputable Hong
Kong loft at half the price is just as valid and, IMHO, a better
value. Different strokes.*
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*Tor
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Pete,
Yes, I had the Strong Track installed in 2003 and It really makes the raising and lowering the mainsail much easier. I have a pretty heavy mainsail, but I can normally haul it to within a few feet of the masthead without the winch. I did have a problem last winter, when it appears the bottom of the track was not fully secured around the old track gate and pulled loose. Not a problem with the Strong Track, just the installation, and the installation held for two ocean crossings.http://www.svsarah.com/Sailing/ewBahamasStrongTrack.htm
This is a link to a description of the problem.John
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Thanks John.
From this I understand that the part of the strong track that is below
the original gate is not in the track like the rest of the strong
track. Is that correct?Since I have the mast down right now for repainting, etc, I wonder if I
could get them to make the strong track to run in the original track
from top to bottom and if I could insert the strong track from the head
of the mast. What do you think? (I’ll go study it on the mast today).Pete
John Stevenson wrote:
Pete,
Yes, I had the Strong Track installed in 2003 and It really makes the
raising and lowering the mainsail much easier. I have a pretty heavy
mainsail, but I can normally haul it to within a few feet of the
masthead without the winch. I did have a problem last winter, when it
appears the bottom of the track was not fully secured around the old
track gate and pulled loose. Not a problem with the Strong Track,
just the installation, and the installation held for two ocean crossings.http://www.svsarah.com/Sailing/ewBahamasStrongTrack.htm
This is a link to a description of the problem.John
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Pete,
Yes, that is correct. I don't know why Quantum didn't install it from the top as my mast was un-stepped at the time (http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewUpgrade2003Rigging.htm#Install%20Strong%20Track). As you can see the original track was cut-off a few feet below the masthead by a PO, and done pretty crudely at that. So the top of the Strong Track is secured directly to the mast by machine screws.
The gate at the bottom of the Strong Track can be removed, so I can see no reason the track cannot be fed from the top.On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Pete Dubler < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Thanks John.
From this I understand that the part of the strong track that is below the original gate is not in the track like the rest of the strong track. Is that correct?Since I have the mast down right now for repainting, etc, I wonder if I could get them to make the strong track to run in the original track from top to bottom and if I could insert the strong track from the head of the mast. What do you think? (I'll go study it on the mast today).
Pete
John Stevenson wrote:
Pete,
Yes, I had the Strong Track installed in 2003 and It really makes the raising and lowering the mainsail much easier. I have a pretty heavy mainsail, but I can normally haul it to within a few feet of the masthead without the winch. I did have a problem last winter, when it appears the bottom of the track was not fully secured around the old track gate and pulled loose. Not a problem with the Strong Track, just the installation, and the installation held for two ocean crossings.http://www.svsarah.com/Sailing/ewBahamasStrongTrack.htm
This is a link to a description of the problem.John
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John Stevenson
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they are great   David Thompson
On Nov 8, 2009, Pete Dubler <> wrote:Quote:Anyone put in a Strong Track system on their mainsail? I have a friend who swears by his and I am about to put one on mine.PeteSilver Heels wrote:> *Hi Lee,*> ** > *I’m sure you’ll get good sails from Mack, but you are mistaken > to assume that all “Chinese” sails are inferior. Some of the top lofts > in Hong Kong have been providing first rate sails to boaters for 50 > years or more, and their craftsmanship is as good as (or better > than) any in the world. They are very specific about what materials > they’re using, and they’ll use something else if you specify it. > Service? At least one of the lofts – Lee Sails, I think, but I’d have > to check my notes to be sure – sends a regional rep to your US-based > boat with your new suit of sails to help install and check them for > fit, etc, and then corrects any imperfections. You can call him back > if there are problems later, or call their US office. (Yes, they speak > English.) They’re in business for the long term and I’ve never heard > anything but praise since the 1960’s. Check the SSCA blog for “Hong > Kong sails”. Nothing but praise, and lots of it. *> **** > *Do I prefer to buy American? Yes, when it’s not too too financially > painful. But I’m a cruising sailor and can’t afford to pay someone $75 > or more per hour to sew, not when there’s a craftsman just an email > away with a lifetime of experience who sews beautifully for $75 per > day (actually, it’s probably a lot less than that). Look around your > boat and see how much of the equipment comes from abroad. All the > electronics and half the hardware, for starters. *> ** > *Your choice of an American sailmaker is a good one and you’re right > to feel confident in what you’re getting, but using a reputable Hong > Kong loft at half the price is just as valid and, IMHO, a better > value. Different strokes.*> ** > *Tor> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Silver Heels, P-424 #17> mailto: ()]> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:17 AM> To: ()> Subject: Re: Re: Carol Hasse Sails>>> I have chosen Mack Sails of Stuart, FL to cut and sew my new sails: a > 135% furling genoa miter cut with sunbrella sun cover and foam luff in > 7.7 oz marblehead dacron and a furling main 8.26 high aspect dacron > with integral clew block and cover. The total cost is $4465.>> I made this choice based on several decisions.>> The first is the fact that Morning Glory, a 1978 hull with a Hood in > mast furling system, still has it’s original main, a Mack/Shaw. Now, I > admit that the sail shape isn’t what I like it to be, but 31 years of > use will do that to a sail. I’ve been to their loft and watched them > sew the cloth. I liked what I saw. I am convinced this sail will out > live me. I’m ot sure if a Chinese sail is going to do that.>> Second is the great service the fellows at Mack have given me in > helping with tuning the rigging and answering my sail and rigging > questions.>> My final reason for choosing Mack is the fact that it is not Chinese. > I might save a few bucks by having the sails cut and sewn in China but > if I have problems with the sail, calling the guys who made it looking > for help will be out of the question. We all keep hearing stories > about inferior Chinese products often brought on by cost cutting > manufacturers. I just don’t want to risk life and limb with Chinese > cloth and sails.>> Mack has a great reputation. They have earned that great reputation > over the long haul, more than 40 years in their various business > configurations.>> That is my two cents. Take it for what it is worth.>> Lee>>>>>> <.. snip>Post generated from Pearson424 Forum using Mail2Forum
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Usually the part of the Strong track below the old feeder is held to the mast with a SS plate and SS machine screws and they have been know to loosen up after a while. If you have access to the  track from the top it is ok to slide from top down and then drill and tap a machine screw in the bottom of the track.   David Thompson
On Nov 8, 2009, Pete Dubler<> wrote:Thanks John. From this I understand that the part of the strong track that is below the original gate is not in the track like the rest of the strong track. Is that correct?Since I have the mast down right now for repainting, etc, I wonder if I could get them to make the strong track to run in the original track from top to bottom and if I could insert the strong track from the head of the mast. What do you think? (I’ll go study it on the mast today).PeteJohn Stevenson wrote:> Pete,> Yes, I had the Strong Track installed in 2003 and It really makes the > raising and lowering the mainsail much easier. I have a pretty heavy > mainsail, but I can normally haul it to within a few feet of the > masthead without the winch. I did have a problem last winter, when it > appears the bottom of the track was not fully secured around the old > track gate and pulled loose. Not a problem with the Strong Track, > just the installation, and the installation held for two ocean crossings.>> ()For additional commands, e-mail: ()
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