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May 17, 2010 at 1:52 pm #68018
kalinowski
ParticipantShe did it again. Lady Leanne got hot (in the wrong way) and I am sorting this out. There is good exhaust flow, new impeller, new belt, good fresh water flow, new coolant, new thermostat. She starts and runs cool as we motor out the cut through the reef with no problems. When we start her back up to motor in (the narrow reef and prevailing winds require short tacking…only done with experienced crew on board) she heats up and I have to shut her down. A puzzlement.
My thoughts at this point is that the thermostat is locking up when the engine is still hot after initial runs. I plan to pull the thermostat and run her without it as my first troubleshooting effort.
Is there any problem or danger in running the W-58 engine without a thermostat. I pulled the thermostat in the Yanmar 18 on my 1988 Hunter 33.5 years ago and never had a problem. I just want to get “temp reading” on this approach.
Dan Kalinowski
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May 17, 2010 at 2:22 pm #75429
Anonymous
Dan, did you check the little tube and hose on the installed rear end of the
engine, about 5 inches long? Hard to see and missed by many surveyors.
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May 17, 2010 at 2:37 pm #75430
RichCarterParticipantDan
Diesel engines should be run hot. Running them cold for a short period shouldn’t cause any harm however. I see no reason that you couldn’t pull the thermostat and run the engine for a few hours.From your description, it sounds like it overheats even if you back down the throttle to run the engine with less load. If the engine is pumping adequate seawater through the exhaust, I would guess the problem is on the engine coolant side of the system. Either a stuck thermostat or air getting into the water pump and causing it to lose its prime. If air is getting into the coolant system, anti-freeze would be displaced. Is your overflow bottle overflowing? You may have to prime the water pump. This can usually be done by loosening a coolant hose and allowing the trapped air to escape. Someone more familiar with the W-58 could probably give you specific instructions.
Rich
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May 17, 2010 at 3:44 pm #75431
Anonymous
If you have a leak in the system, the airlock problem will repeat itself. If
you do not have all the pressure gauges and tools to pump up the coolant
side and see if it holds pressure, then run the engine with the cover on
the expansion tank off the tank. Usually air will rise to the highest point
in the system. Once water starts to expand (and it’ll be hot) and fills the
expansion tank, top off with mixture of anti freeze and water in to the
tank, and reseal. This will temporarily remove air from the system and fill
it up. Once it begins to exceed 100 C it may evaporate if there’s a leak in
the system , introducing more air. If it happens again then you know there’s
a leak in the system. Then you buy the pressure gauge item, and mix some
soapy water, and find the culprit that bubbles, by covering every junction
with soapy water. If there’s no sign of a bubble but it loses pressure, it’s
your heat exchanger.
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May 17, 2010 at 4:00 pm #75432
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ParticipantYou know, if you suspect the thermostat you can test it by putting it in a pan of water water and heating it on the stove and observe at what temp it opens. Then cooling it and see if it closes again.
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May 17, 2010 at 7:01 pm #75433
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ParticipantDan-
There is a problem in running a W-58 without a thermostat. The disk on the bottom of the thermostat closes off a loop circuit from the engine to the fresh water pump. Unless this closes, coolant will not circulate to the heat exchanger. See the Westerbeke Parts List. If you don’t have a copy, look on line at most Westerbeke dealer web sites.
Suggest you get an IR thermometer (one of those gun shaped things) and use it to figure out exactly where on the engine theoverheating is occuring.
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May 17, 2010 at 8:38 pm #75434
kalinowski
Participant@Thatcher A. Stone wrote:
Dan, did you check the little tube and hose on the installed rear end of the
engine, about 5 inches long? Hard to see and missed by many surveyors.
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What little tube and hose? Is this part of the cooling system? What is its function? (I won’t be in Honolulu on the boat till Friday.)
Thanks
Dan Kalinowski
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May 17, 2010 at 10:07 pm #75435
Anonymous
A coolant leak may show up as a white powdery “mustache” around the joint where the leak is. The gasket between the uppper and ower thermostat housings deteriorated and was passing small amounts of coolant. I use the “five year” heavy duty stuff, sort of gold-tan in color,omes in a gold container.
Norris Larson on Easy Reach, #206.
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May 18, 2010 at 12:21 am #75437
Anonymous
I cannot cite part no. and detail, but in our boats, with the engine
reversed, at the top of the stern end of the engine is a metal tube and a
rubber hose. It is known to elude many a surveyor, as it is small, hard to
find, and can fail with leaks only at high, hot temps. As was the case with
my boat when I bought it.
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