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I was crawling around down in the starboard lazerette the other day and I
noticed several places where the fiberglass seemed to be delaminating. A few
pokes with my knife produced scary results. Much of the plywood in the lower
(inside) box was totally rotten and the upper (outside) box had several soft
spots.I got my sawsall out and went to cutting away the boxes. What I found was much
worse than I ever imagined. The bottom half of the lower box was nothing but
rotten, heavily decomposed wood. It looked like wet sawdust. The upper box was a
little better. Several hours with a sawsall and grinder got everything cleaned
up nicely. Looking at the nasty looking wood made me shudder. There could have
been four sixty pound batteries pounding against the hull.lee
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Hi Lee,
This is a good time, then, to consider a new battery arrangement. Tor has
figured out a way to stuff an ungodly number of batteries into the locker
aft of the water heater. That left his starboard locker free for stuff.My starboard boxes are still fine, so I have the two 4D’s there, another 4D
in that aforementioned locker which makes up the house bank of 600 amp
hours, and two group 31 batteries making the engine start bank (actually,
just bank 2 on the switch). All are AGMs.Since you have a generator, you might not want all those batteries
especially if you can do with fewer or smaller.What a number of owners have done is split the big 12v batteries into two 6v
battery mini-banks, as it were, where the arrangements are much more
flexible. I think if I did that, I’d spread the weight out more evenly in
the boat. But that’s something of a dream- definitely way down the list of
things that need doing.Anyway, you could just rebuild the boxes if you like, too, or get
manufactured ones to mount.Bob
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Lee Yonkers wrote:
I was crawling around down in the starboard lazerette the other day and I
noticed several places where the fiberglass seemed to be delaminating. A
few
pokes with my knife produced scary results. Much of the plywood in the
lower
(inside) box was totally rotten and the upper (outside) box had several
soft
spots.I got my sawsall out and went to cutting away the boxes. What I found was
much
worse than I ever imagined. The bottom half of the lower box was nothing
but
rotten, heavily decomposed wood. It looked like wet sawdust. The upper box
was a
little better. Several hours with a sawsall and grinder got everything
cleaned
up nicely. Looking at the nasty looking wood made me shudder. There could
have
been four sixty pound batteries pounding against the hull.lee
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Lee,
I wasn’t going to comment on your email because we’ve discussed this before
in this forum, but Bob’s right. You have an opportunity now to correct one
of the 424’s original bad ideas. The cockpit side-locker is not a smart
place for batteries for several reasons:1) If you open the hatch in rough seas there is the possibility of
inundating your entire battery bank. Muy malo.
2) All that very considerable weight is too far aft, too far off-center, and
higher than it needs to be.
3) There are lots of things you need or want readily available to the
cockpit, which need a place in those lockers. The ship’s battery bank is
not one of them.Seems like a good time to make that improvement on your boat.
Have fun,
Tor
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Bob and Tor,
I currently have four 187 AMP six volt batteries in the area aft of the water
heater. I also had four 187 AMP six volt batteries in the original battery
boxes. The original battery boxes were a constant issue with me – they were in
the way, they took up too much space, I felt they were mounted way too high, and
they were ugly.There is ample room to mount them vertically against the bulkhead and get them a
couple of feet further forward. Morning Glory also has a storage box in the area
near the navigation table I use as a seat that might be big enough to hold all
four batteries. Do you have some other spaces you could recommend for battery
storage? Any pictures?Lee
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Lee,
Photos attached. I squeezed five AGM Group 30’s into that space aft of the
water heater on Silverheels. I had to build a split-level shelf in there to
do it, which you can glimpse in the first photo. It just raised the outboard
batteries an inch or so to get a little more width out of the space from the
sloping hull shape. It was an extremely tight fit, but it worked out
perfectly. In addition I have one Group 27 AGM, the engine starter battery,
in the bottom inboard corner of what I believe Pearson euphemistically
called the hanging locker, just aft of the nav station, and one more Group
27 for the electric windlass that lives beneath the V-berth just aft of the
forward water tank, port side.Tor
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hmmmm.. my water heater is fore in the port laz… no two 424’s are the
same…Pete
On 1/10/2011 12:51 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Lee,Photos attached. I squeezed five AGM Group 30’s into that space aft of the
water heater on Silverheels. I had to build a split-level shelf in there to
do it, which you can glimpse in the first photo. It just raised the outboard
batteries an inch or so to get a little more width out of the space from the
sloping hull shape. It was an extremely tight fit, but it worked out
perfectly. In addition I have one Group 27 AGM, the engine starter battery,
in the bottom inboard corner of what I believe Pearson euphemistically
called the hanging locker, just aft of the nav station, and one more Group
27 for the electric windlass that lives beneath the V-berth just aft of the
forward water tank, port side.Tor
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Lee
I pulled my boxes out years ago. Nothing wrong with them at the time other
than they took up the whole locker and put too much weight on the starboard
side. Its amazing how large that locker is without the boxes in there.My main batteries are now in the bilge just forward of the sump.
Rich
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My water heater is forward of the port lazarette (the port cockpit locker),
too, but it’s beneath the aft cabin berth and there’s an empty locker in
between the two where I put those batteries. Is yours aft of the bulkhead
that separates the cabin from the cockpit locker?Tor
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Tor,
Ours is set up like Pete’s; water heater is in the port lazarette
forward. The aft cabin berth has three lockers beneath it. On Doris E.
the aft most compartment contained a thru hull for the old refrigeration
system making it useless for batteries. We removed the thru hull and
used the hole for the Frigoboat keel cooler and mounted the compressor
in that compartment. The next locker forward was perfect for the five
group 31 AGMs as in your layout.
http://picasaweb.google.com/dhjppn/BatteryBox#5502071298052286066Dave and Pat
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On 1/11/11 5:57 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:My water heater is forward of the port lazarette (the port cockpit locker),
too, but it’s beneath the aft cabin berth and there’s an empty locker in
between the two where I put those batteries. Is yours aft of the bulkhead
that separates the cabin from the cockpit locker?Tor
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Hi Dave & Pat,
Not so different, then. Where you & Pete have water heaters, I have the
refrigeration unit and its thru-hull. My water heater is where your
batteries are. I like your battery placement better than mine because it
moves the weight a bit closer to the center of gravity. FYI, the pipe and
line loop shown in one of the photos I sent is for lifting out the
batteries. “Give me a lever long enough…!” It helps a LOT.Tor
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yes, aft of the bulkhead
On 1/11/2011 4:57 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:My water heater is forward of the port lazarette (the port cockpit locker),
too, but it’s beneath the aft cabin berth and there’s an empty locker in
between the two where I put those batteries. Is yours aft of the bulkhead
that separates the cabin from the cockpit locker?Tor
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I re-located my batteries under the steering quadrant. One of my coolest mods. I posted pics on the site, but they seem to be gone now, and I cannot find them in my own gallery. I’ll find them or take more if you are interested.
I fit up to 6 golf cart batteries undet the quadrant in a box custom fitted for that space. It is bolted and glassed to the fore and aft stringers that locate the fuel tank, and support the cockpit sole. If anything, I think it strengthens the boat.
The upsides: 1)this space in not useable for much else, and 2) the batteries fit perfectly. 3) Batteries not in living space (Seawater plus bat acid = clorine gas?)
Downsides: 1) you must empty the locker to check the water level. Not a problem for me, I don’t seem to evaporate much off. 2) if you have six batteries, you must remove one to adjust rudder shaft bearing 3) limits ways to install autopilot, tiller must be over quadrant (mine is)
BTW – I made a shelf for a starting battery high on the forward bulkhead of the stbd locker. I wish I had made it even higher, up in otherwise useless space.
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I re-located my batteries under the steering quadrant. One of my coolest mods. I posted pics on the site, but they seem to be gone now, and I cannot find them in my own gallery. I’ll find them or take more if you are interested.
I fit up to 6 golf cart batteries undet the quadrant in a box custom fitted for that space. It is bolted and glassed to the fore and aft stringers that locate the fuel tank, and support the cockpit sole. If anything, I think it strengthens the boat.
The upsides: 1)this space in not useable for much else, and 2) the batteries fit perfectly. 3) Batteries not in living space (Seawater plus bat acid = clorine gas?)
Downsides: 1) you must empty the locker to check the water level. Not a problem for me, I don’t seem to evaporate much off. 2) if you have six batteries, you must remove one to adjust rudder shaft bearing 3) limits ways to install autopilot, tiller must be over quadrant (mine is)
BTW – I made a shelf for a starting battery high on the forward bulkhead of the stbd locker. I wish I had made it even higher, up in otherwise useless space.
W
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Seems like Pat redid the gallery at some point, I noticed all my links to
the gallery are broken.-p
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comOn Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Seawater wrote:
I re-located my batteries under the steering quadrant. One of my coolest
mods. I posted pics on the site, but they seem to be gone now, and I cannot
find them in my own gallery. I’ll find them or take more if you are
interested.I fit up to 6 golf cart batteries undet the quadrant in a box custom fitted
for that space. It is bolted and glassed to the fore and aft stringers that
locate the fuel tank, and support the cockpit sole. If anything, I think it
strengthens the boat.The upsides: 1)this space in not useable for much else, and 2) the
batteries fit perfectly. 3) Batteries not in living space (Seawater plus bat
acid = clorine gas?)Downsides: 1) you must empty the locker to check the water level. Not a
problem for me, I don’t seem to evaporate much off. 2) if you have six
batteries, you must remove one to adjust rudder shaft bearing 3) limits ways
to install autopilot, tiller must be over quadrant (mine is)BTW – I made a shelf for a starting battery high on the forward bulkhead of
the stbd locker. I wish I had made it even higher, up in otherwise useless
space.W
Walter
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
Seems like Pat redid the gallery at some point, I noticed all my links to
the gallery are broken.-p
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comOn Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Seawater wrote:
I re-located my batteries under the steering quadrant. One of my coolest
mods. I posted pics on the site, but they seem to be gone now, and I cannot
find them in my own gallery. I’ll find them or take more if you are
interested.I fit up to 6 golf cart batteries undet the quadrant in a box custom fitted
for that space. It is bolted and glassed to the fore and aft stringers that
locate the fuel tank, and support the cockpit sole. If anything, I think it
strengthens the boat.The upsides: 1)this space in not useable for much else, and 2) the
batteries fit perfectly. 3) Batteries not in living space (Seawater plus bat
acid = clorine gas?)Downsides: 1) you must empty the locker to check the water level. Not a
problem for me, I don’t seem to evaporate much off. 2) if you have six
batteries, you must remove one to adjust rudder shaft bearing 3) limits ways
to install autopilot, tiller must be over quadrant (mine is)BTW – I made a shelf for a starting battery high on the forward bulkhead of
the stbd locker. I wish I had made it even higher, up in otherwise useless
space.W
Walter
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!
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