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    • #68245
      Indulgence
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      Hello,

      Here I am in St. Barth and I notice that a small oil leak from my W58 is getting worse. I have not had much luck in locating the source of the leak, however I believe that it is coming from the bottom of the engine (perhaps the oil pan). I am contemplating heading back to St. Martin to get the leak repaired. I fear that to repair the leak, the engine will need be pulled. Can anyone give me some guidance? Does this mean a rebuild? Other than the oil leak, the engine is running great.

      Thoughts? Suggestions?

      John
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    • #76680
      unabated
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      John, I just replaced that oil pan gasket on my W58. I had the same leak in St Barts last year but I waited until I got back to the states to fix it. It looked like a lot of oil at the time while it was dripping but in actuality as I kept checking it there was not much volume.
      To replace the gasket the engine needs to come out. I did that myself and only took about 5-6 hours working alone. The gaskets as readily available but the tranny needs to come off (6 bolts). You’ll need an engine stand.  Not a big job, just a PITA. another day to get the engine back in and hooked up.
      I had a friend who used  Bobby’s Marina in Simpson Bay Lagoon offers professional marine services, including travel-lift haul-out up to 50-tons, storage and DIY.
      He was pleased with their work.
      Good luck and if there is anything else I can do for you… let me know.
      Did you get to anchor at Colombier?
      Alan

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    • #76681
      petedd
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      If you can reach it, check the oil drain connection at the bottom of the
      pan. Perhaps the hose has become a little loose. That is the most
      likely source of a leak down low that I can think of.

      If you can characterize the leak more, you can diagnose it easier. For
      example, does it leak while the engine is running or just right after it
      is turned off? This may take a good bit of observing and changing out
      pads below the engine. The seals of the W58 are pretty robust and
      unless you ran the engine dry at some point or overheated it greatly,
      they are not likely the cause. Start with the simple stuff. Paper
      towels stuck in different places can help with the diagnosis.

      Good luck.

      Pete

      On 1/25/2011 11:32 AM, John Sommer wrote:

      Hello,

      Here I am in St. Barth and I notice that a small oil leak from my W58 is getting worse. I have not had much luck in locating the source of the leak, however I believe that it is coming from the bottom of the engine (perhaps the oil pan). I am contemplating heading back to St. Martin to get the leak repaired. I fear that to repair the leak, the engine will need be pulled. Can anyone give me some guidance? Does this mean a rebuild? Other than the oil leak, the engine is running great.

      Thoughts? Suggestions?

      John
      s/v Indulgence

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    • #76682
      petedd
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      You could lift the engine within the boat with a stout timber over the
      companionway and work on the engine while it hangs there. I think you
      can do this without pulling the tranny. (I am recalling when I pulled
      the oil pan on my W58 last year which led me to the conclusion based on
      the bearing wear that it was time for a new engine instead of a rebuild,
      and I don’t believe the tranny mount overlaps the oil pan at any point.

      They want a bundle for the gasket. You can make your own from
      cork/rubber gasket stock pretty easily. I keep a roll of each thickness
      and type of gasket stock on my boat for just such occasions. Most auto
      parts stores carry it, you can find it on e-bay, or get at many
      industrial supply houses. Sorry but I don’t recall the thickness of the
      material I used for the oil pan gasket, but there are no critical
      thicknesses for this application as long as you get a bit of compliance
      from the gasket. Also use a good sealer.

      Pete

      On 1/25/2011 12:33 PM, Alan wrote:

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      John, I just replaced that oil pan gasket on my W58. I had the same leak in St Barts last year but I waited until I got back to the states to fix it. It looked like a lot of oil at the time while it was dripping but in actuality as I kept checking it there was not much volume.
      To replace the gasket the engine needs to come out. I did that myself and only took about 5-6 hours working alone. The gaskets as readily available but the tranny needs to come off (6 bolts). You’ll need an engine stand. Not a big job, just a PITA. another day to get the engine back in and hooked up.
      I had a friend who used Bobby’s Marina in Simpson Bay Lagoon offers professional marine services, including travel-lift haul-out up to 50-tons, storage and DIY.
      He was pleased with their work.
      Good luck and if there is anything else I can do for you… let me know.
      Did you get to anchor at Colombier?
      Alan

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    • #76683
      RLeeds
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      Alan-

      I have done the engine lift per Pete’s recommendation in order to replace my
      engine mounts. Using a 4X4 with a come along should get the job done.

      Did you check the obvious, ie, tighten all bolts on the oil pan as best you
      could? This might slow the leak enough to enable you to wait till you get
      to where you want to have it fixed if you choose not to lift the engine
      yourself.

      Good luck–

      Rodd Leeds
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    • #76694
      Indulgence
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      Thanks all….I really appreciate the suggestions.


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    • #76695
      RichCarter
      Participant

      You can lift the engine in place to inspect the bottom of the pan. Disconnect the exhaust, driveshaft, and anything else in the way. Remove the engine-mount nuts. Put a short beam across your companionway with a strong lift ring. Use a cable-winch to lift the engine. Block the think before putting any body parts under the engine. You should be able to do this in a few hours, less if you’ve done it before.

      Spray PB-Blaster on the engine mount nuts the night before you try this.

      Regards
      Rich
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    • #76700
      Indulgence
      Participant

      Thanks all….I spent some time cleaning the space out under the engine and
      found the source of the leak. I turns out it was from the shaft break (it
      uses oil pressure to disengage the break). This Exxon Validize size oil
      leak from the loose nut.

      Thanks again for the great advice. We are headed out tomorrow for Nevis and
      then on to Guadeloupe.

      John Sommer
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    • #76701
      petedd
      Participant

      John,

      Glad you found it. A clean engine is a happy engine and one that is
      easier to diagnose. Hopefully you don’t really have a shaft “break” and
      that the leak in your shaft “brake” remains sealed.

      Happy cruising (aka “fixing boats in exotic locations”)

      Pete

      On 1/28/2011 8:06 AM, John Sommer wrote:

      Quote:
      Thanks all….I spent some time cleaning the space out under the
      engine and found the source of the leak. I turns out it was from the
      shaft break (it uses oil pressure to disengage the break). This Exxon
      Validize size oil leak from the loose nut.

      Thanks again for the great advice. We are headed out tomorrow for
      Nevis and then on to Guadeloupe.

      John Sommer
      s/v Indulgence


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    • #76702
      joe shimkonis
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      Anyone have one of those shaft brakes laying around?

      Sent from my iPad

      On Jan 28, 2011, at 10:24, Pete Dubler wrote:

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      John,

      Glad you found it. A clean engine is a happy engine and one that is easier to diagnose. Hopefully you don’t really have a shaft “break” and that the leak in your shaft “brake” remains sealed.

      Happy cruising (aka “fixing boats in exotic locations”)

      Pete

      On 1/28/2011 8:06 AM, John Sommer wrote:

      Quote:
      Thanks all….I spent some time cleaning the space out under the engine and found the source of the leak. I turns out it was from the shaft break (it uses oil pressure to disengage the break). This Exxon Validize size oil leak from the loose nut.

      Thanks again for the great advice. We are headed out tomorrow for Nevis and then on to Guadeloupe.

      John Sommer
      s/v Indulgence


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    • #76703
      unabated
      Participant

      Was it the cylinder rod leaking? Over the past 6 years I’ve had to replace mine 3 times. They are relatively  inexpensive. We used them all over Kodak on our machinery because they were considered disposable. But they do make a mess when they leak…. red tranny fluid all over the place.
      alan.

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    • #76707
      petedd
      Participant

      Alan,

      Do you have the model number and source of the cylinder that you could
      share? Sounds like something I should have onboard as a spare.

      Pete

      On 1/28/2011 10:31 AM, Alan wrote:

      Quote:
      Was it the cylinder rod leaking? Over the past 6 years I’ve had to replace mine 3 times. They are relatively inexpensive. We used them all over Kodak on our machinery because they were considered disposable. But they do make a mess when they leak…. red tranny fluid all over the place.
      alan.

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    • #76709
      unabated
      Participant

      Give me a day or 2 to find it. There is an industrial supplier here in Rochester. The cylinder make is a BIMBA….. just can’t remember the model… I am thinking is was around 20 bucks,,, but then again I am suffering from CRS.
       I’ll get back to you…..
      Alan

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    • #76711
      petedd
      Participant

      Thanks!

      On 1/28/2011 4:50 PM, Alan wrote:

      Quote:
      Give me a day or 2 to find it. There is an industrial supplier here in Rochester. The cylinder make is a BIMBA….. just can’t remember the model… I am thinking is was around 20 bucks,,, but then again I am suffering from CRS.
      I’ll get back to you…..
      Alan

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