Alan,

Where are you headed from Long Island? I expect I’ll be sailing up the
entire Bahamas chain from the south before long,

Tor

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Alan,

I bet it would, although from what I understand of boat trim if you
weigh down the ends of a boat it increases its tendency to hobby-horse.
Anyway, I don’t need a built-in generator and I already have a 12V
watermaker. I can live with the slight bow-down trim.

But thanks,

Tor

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I have 100′ of 3/8″ BBB and 200′ of nylon and I have a lot of problems with castleling. One of us has to run to the V-Berth and poke the chain mound so we can finish deanchoring. What a nuisance.
I’m wondering if 5/16 would not castle so readily? Anyone with that experience??
Also, I’m wondering if I installed new chain it would also solve the problem. I think my chain is getting rusty which may cause it not to fold and bend as easily as it drops down into the locker. Would a lubricant help??
I appreciate any suggestions.
 
 
Joe,
s/v Half Moon
 

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Joe,
I think you will find that 5/16 does not castle as much as the 3/8 BBB,
but I’m not sure the difference is so great to make the problem go away. I
carry 300′ of 5/16 plus 200′ of rope. However I let my chain fall into the
deck locker when hauling in. As long as I have not put out more than 200′
if just piles up in the forward end of the locker. Then when I’ve got the
anchor secured I move the chain down into the lower locker (or leave it in
the deck locker if I’m just sailing a short distance that day). When
moving the chain to the lower locker I do get a castle problem. I have a
small garden hoe that I use to knock down the castles from the V-berth.
Jack & Patricia Tyler, when they owned Whoosh, told me their normal
operation was Jack on deck pumping the windlass and Patricia in the V-berth
knocking down the castles. They also used 5/16 chain.

I think the only solution, other than going to a short length of chain
(50′ or less) as I did for several years, is to modify the chain locker as
Tor and a few others have done. That provides a long enough fall for the
chain that castles are not a significant problem.

Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Joseph Steiner wrote:

I had occasional pyramid problems with my 3/8″ chain before. Then a few
months ago I had it re-galvanized. Now it pyramids much faster. I’ve
worked out a system for dashing belowdecks every 25′ of chain to knock
it over, but it’s a scramble. I’m hoping as the new galvanizing wears
down a bit things will improve.

Tor

For the pyramid problem, I have a bronze screw cap access platein the
anchor locker plte though which I can wiggle a 2 or so foot long piece
of stainless tube to knock the pile over. Never had to open the v-berth
chain locker door. A brilliant little upgrade by the PO.

Pete

On 1/28/2012 4:47 PM, Silverheels wrote:

Now, why didn’t I think of that? Smart idea.

Tor

Pete: could you give this bozo a better idea where you put that bronze cap? I don’t understand what “anchor locker plte” is. A picture would be great if possible. I’m modifying my anchoring locker per Tor’s approach and have already bought 300′ of 3/8 to wrestle with. Anchoring in the Sandwich Isles is more likely in deep water and your approach to wrestling with a castle through an access port sounds ideal. This is something I should do while I’m reworking the anchor locker.

Mahalo

Dan Kalinowski
Jolly Lama #135
Ko Olina, O’ahu

I’ll take a picture and send soon.

On 1/29/2012 11:07 AM, kalinowski wrote:

Pete: could you give this bozo a better idea where you put that bronze cap? I don’t understand what “anchor locker plte” is. A picture would be great if possible. I’m modifying my anchoring locker per Tor’s approach and have already bought 300′ of 3/8 to wrestle with. Anchoring in the Sandwich Isles is more likely in deep water and your approach to wrestling with a castle through an access port sounds ideal. This is something I should do while I’m reworking the anchor locker.

Mahalo

Dan Kalinowski
Jolly Lama #135
Ko Olina, O’ahu

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Pete,

What’s the diameter of that hole?

I’d cut it today if only I had access to some hardware for closing it
up.

Tor

That’s a handy marine hardware source I didn’t know about. Good point,
too about a hardware store. There is one about 10 miles up the road from
where I am. I’ll see if I can get there today and look around. It’ll be
my last chance for a while. Even if it were just a temp cover of some
kind until I get back to the States, it would solve the immediate
problem.

Thanks!

Tor

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Maybe a barrel bung would work well here.

On 1/30/2012 6:06 AM, Silverheels wrote:

Picture of newly painted and refitted bow including chain locker and
chain pyramid knockdown fitting… (which appears to be a barrel bung)
is attached.

Pete

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Geez, Pete, that fresh Colorado air must be making you smart. Maybe a
simple bung WOULD work for the time being. Even if it leaks a little,
it’ll drip into a watertight, self-draining chain locker. As long as I
seal the edges of the plywood core in the hole I cut, what’s the harm?

Thanks!

Tor

This morning I remembered having an old water fill deck fitting on board
and I dug it out. Would’ve preferred something a little larger diameter,
but I can always expand if necessary, when possible. The attached photos
illustrate what I managed with what I had. From now on, when I ram a
stick through it and knock down a chain pyramid I shall refer to it as
the Dubler Effect!

Thanks for the idea, Pete.

Tor

Yesterday I remembered having an old water fill deck fitting on board
and I dug it out. Would’ve preferred something a little larger diameter,
but I can always expand if necessary, when more options are available.
The attached photos illustrate what I managed with what I had. From now
on, when I ram a stick through it and knock down a chain pyramid I shall
refer to it as the Dubler Effect!

Thanks for the idea, Pete.

Tor

Hey Tor-
That’s a nice non skid finish in the pics. Might I ask what you used?
Quent

Quent,

It’s called KiwiGrip (http://www.pachena.com). It has been on Silverheels’
foredeck for a few years now, ever since I re-did the chain locker,
with no sign of deterioration. With deck shoes the traction is
excellent. However, it’s actually kind of slippery in bare feet when
it’s wet. For that reason, if I were doing it again I’d go with a
traditional paint-&-sand non-skid.

Tor

Credit where credit is due…. the Monte Duval Effect!

On 2/1/2012 4:21 AM, Silverheels wrote:

OK, but Dubler Effect sounds cooler.

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Yikes!
I have 3 gallons of Kiwi that are planed for application this spring. Wonder if I should rethink this product. Or maybe add sand to it??

Eric Lorentzon
EFI Sales Development Manager
412.352.1941
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On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:03 AM, “Silverheels” wrote:

Robert,
What kind of windlass arrangement do you have?  I have a Lofrans Trigres and the chain needs to drop 90 degrees coming off the windlass. So using the upper locker is very tricky for me. I like the idea of feeding it there, even if temporarily to avoid castleing in the lower locker and running back and forth to the v-berth..so  I will try to figure a way to feed it from the windlass without losing a finger or two if/when the chain slips off the windlass.
 
Joe,
Half Moon

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Joe,
I have a manual Lofrans Royal, which appears have the same mechanics
(gears, chain wheels, etc.) as the TIgres, just lacks the motor on the aft
end of the windlass. The chain off my Royal nearly drops directly into the
deck locker. If the PO had installed it about 1″ further aft it would be a
direct drop. As it is the chain rolls over the forward edge of the locker
without an coaxing by me. Since my windlass is manual, I’m standing in the
locker when cranking in the chain. As castles build up I can easily kick
them down toward the forward, under deck, portion of the locker. I have
cranked nearly 200′ of 5/16″ G4 chain into this space with no problems.
I am considering replacing the Royal with a Tigres. The upper body workout
I get with the Royal is losing its appeal.
How as that windlass worked for you. Most of the windlasses i’ve looked at
(Quick, Maxwell, etc) offer a 1500W motor for vessels our size. The Tigres
is 1200W. I’m trying to determine if those extra 300W are really
important as they cost a lot of $$$ over the price of the Tigres.

Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Joseph Steiner wrote:

JOHN: CORRECTION. I’ve just been through all this. The current Tigress
motor is 1500, not 1200 Watts. Some of their materials still show the motor as
1200W.

Capt Bill Tice ,aboard s/v CHARISMA, 23*31.10N / 75*45.50W

George Town, Bahamas

In a message dated 2/6/2012 10:51:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Joe,
I have a manual Lofrans Royal, which appears have the same mechanics
(gears, chain wheels, etc.) as the TIgres, just lacks the motor on the aft
end of the windlass. The chain off my Royal nearly drops directly into the
deck locker. If the PO had installed it about 1″ further aft it would be a
direct drop. As it is the chain rolls over the forward edge of the locker
without an coaxing by me. Since my windlass is manual, I’m standing in the
locker when cranking in the chain. As castles build up I can easily kick
them down toward the forward, under deck, portion of the locker. I have
cranked nearly 200′ of 5/16″ G4 chain into this space with no problems.
I am considering replacing the Royal with a Tigres. The upper body workout
I get with the Royal is losing its appeal.
How as that windlass worked for you. Most of the windlasses i’ve looked at
(Quick, Maxwell, etc) offer a 1500W motor for vessels our size. The Tigres
is 1200W. I’m trying to determine if those extra 300W are really
important as they cost a lot of $$$ over the price of the Tigres.

Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Joseph Steiner wrote:

Robert,
What kind of windlass arrangement do you have? I have a Lofrans Trigres
and the chain needs to drop 90 degrees coming off the windlass. So using
the upper locker is very tricky for me. I like the idea of feeding it
there, even if temporarily to avoid castleing in the lower locker and
running back and forth to the v-berth..so I will try to figure a way to
feed it from the windlass without losing a finger or two if/when the

chain

Joe, I have a Maxwell 1200 vertical forward of anchor locker. It stands off
the deck about 2″ but could stand another inch.

Bob

I’m not being terse. This is from my mobile.
On Feb 6, 2012 9:48 AM, “Joseph Steiner” wrote:

Thanks, Bill.

Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:44 AM, wrote:

JOHN: CORRECTION. I’ve just been through all this. The current Tigress
motor is 1500, not 1200 Watts. Some of their materials still show the
motor as
1200W.

Capt Bill Tice ,aboard s/v CHARISMA, 23*31.10N / 75*45.50W

George Town, Bahamas

In a message dated 2/6/2012 10:51:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Joe,
I have a manual Lofrans Royal, which appears have the same mechanics
(gears, chain wheels, etc.) as the TIgres, just lacks the motor on the
aft
end of the windlass. The chain off my Royal nearly drops directly into
the
deck locker. If the PO had installed it about 1″ further aft it would be
a
direct drop. As it is the chain rolls over the forward edge of the locker
without an coaxing by me. Since my windlass is manual, I’m standing in
the
locker when cranking in the chain. As castles build up I can easily kick
them down toward the forward, under deck, portion of the locker. I have
cranked nearly 200′ of 5/16″ G4 chain into this space with no problems.
I am considering replacing the Royal with a Tigres. The upper body
workout
I get with the Royal is losing its appeal.
How as that windlass worked for you. Most of the windlasses i’ve looked
at
(Quick, Maxwell, etc) offer a 1500W motor for vessels our size. The
Tigres
is 1200W. I’m trying to determine if those extra 300W are really
important as they cost a lot of $$$ over the price of the Tigres.

Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Joseph Steiner wrote:

Robert,
What kind of windlass arrangement do you have? I have a Lofrans Trigres
and the chain needs to drop 90 degrees coming off the windlass. So

using

the upper locker is very tricky for me. I like the idea of feeding it
there, even if temporarily to avoid castleing in the lower locker and
running back and forth to the v-berth..so I will try to figure a way to
feed it from the windlass without losing a finger or two if/when the

chain