Hello Jason:
This being a holiday week end, I can not afford the time to chat about
this at the moment. But I am considering selling my 1980, hull #118. She is
lying in Deltaville, Va, and while not formally on the market, I will
reluctantly sell her should a qualified buyer express a serious interest.

Please email me at: _boat1stlady@aol.com_ (mailto:) to
discuss this opportunity.

regards, BILL
~~~ ~ (_~~ (_~ ~ ~ fair winds ~ ~ (_
Capt Bill Tice, aboard s/v CHARISMA

In a message dated 5/25/2014 8:26:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

Real sailors sail ketches.

On 5/25/2014 7:03 PM, Robert Fine wrote:

Hello Jason,

The ketch is a well balanced vessel and above about 12-15 knots the main
becomes unnecessary if you have a cutter rig (inner forestay), otherwise
you can carry the main up to 18-20 knots. The mizzen is far more than a
balancing sail allowing the boat to sail quite well under jib and jigger
(jib and mizzen).

You can put a windvane on a ketch with no problems (mine had one, but I
opted for davits) in addition, you can get the offset steering gear that
Tor has on Silverheels.

Converting a ketch is a terrible idea. The main mast is in a different
place, and you’re not likely to move it. Moreover, the ketch rig will

pass

under a 49′ bridge where the sloop may not. A ketch is a far more
manageable rig for short handing, and if I were to recommend anything, it
would be to add a staysail.

The Westerbeke 58 is perfectly adequate, although some of us have

upgraded

to larger engines. I go hull speed at 2200 rpm which is about 80% of

full

throttle and that’s the recommended loading for the most efficient use of
diesels.

Hope this helps,

Bob

On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM,
<>wrote:

Cutter/Sloop VS Ketch

Author:

Hello all, my wife and I are looking at several P424’s available on the
market today. I’m in love with the aft cabin/aft cockpit layout. I’ve
usually seen it as a ketch though. In looking over the sail and rigging
plan, I it appears to me that the mizzen is a bit too short and small

to be

affective as anything other than a heavy wind/storm sail stabilizer. I

am

also planning to install a self steering vane and the boom’s extension

off

the stern would make this difficult. So, if we bought a ketch – we would
likely convert it.

Has anyone converted their ketch to a sloop and/or cutter? I know they
offered a cutter model but they are few and far between with the

interior

layout we prefer. That said, I’m hoping someone can answer these

questions:

Does the mast need to be moved aft to properly balance the rig?
OR was extending the boom enough?
How long is the boom “normally” in the sloop rig?
If you own a sloop/cutter rig, have you found any REAL value in a

backstay

tensioner?
Several p424’s I’ve looked at have a 40-50hp Westerbeke in them – is

that

engine truly powerful enough to push the boat at hullspeed without

being at

OPEN throttle?

Thanks for your help. MY wife and I built a Rhodes 34 and sailed the
bahamas for the last year or so, but we are now looking to upgrade and

have

room to grow the family. This seems like the perfect boat and meets

most of

my offshore criteria, and meets most of her layout criteria.

Thanks!!!

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