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    • #69046
      Anonymous

      Hey all,
      I was assuming that when I filled my stb water tank to overflowing on deck the water ending up in the forward part of the bilge was coming out of the vent hose that terminates up there. Since buying “Painkiller” it’s been on my mental list to rerun all the vents into the forward sink. Then we noticed that the sole to the right of the mast had some sort of past water issue. After we filled the tank and made a short trip for a few days we noticed the whole sole in that area got saturated and stained. I opened the bunk, checked the inspection port and fill and vent hoses. The hoses and connections were bone dry but the inspection plate needed new gasket. Did that and when painting the bilge and had my body stuffed up under there I thoroughly checked the sub-floor all under and near the stb water tank. It was solid with zero signs of water issue. Next time filling to overflow, the inspection port was dry but there’s still tons of water up forward. I checked the exit of the vent hose and it was bone dry. Damn, where the hell is that coming from. Finally spent the time and disassembled the top of the bunk, dead center top of the tank the fiberglass had de-laminated and the water was pouring straight down the center of the tank over the edge and onto the top of the sub-floor where it’s glassed into the hull, meaning the only place the water had to go was between the sub-floor and the sole running out between the two layers at the mast floorboard. This has been leaking for along time. I chiseled away the bad glass and opened the de-lamination as much as I dared without breaking through the top of the tank and put a few screws in sideways between the de-lamination so it can all dry out. I’m presently waiting for it to dry thoroughly before I patch and add a larger section of mat over the whole area. I’ll be checking the port tank too.
      I mention all this just in case anyone else has a mystery water tank leak or has already found this fiberglass tank weakness. My guess is that the top has a tendency to flex when full so over all these years it weakened the layers. Not really sure on that, being a wood guy. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

    • #82028
      Anonymous

      My water tanks leak around the inspection ports if I top off. New
      gaskets didn’t help. Pearson simply used the wrong ports for this
      application. I found some good ones online, but they’re
      expensive. I just watch the level through an inspection port when
      I’m taking on water and stop an inch or so short of full.

      Tor


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    • #82029
      Anonymous

      I replaced my ports with these: http://www.seabuilt.com/plates.php but
      there’s something else to be aware of. You can’t overpressurize the
      tanks. Leaving a running hose in the fill port is a primary way of
      cracking or overstressing the tank.

      My tanks all vent to the bilge and the vent line runs across the tanks
      (athwartships) twice before exiting. This prevents over pressure because
      the water never fills more than 3/4″ above the tank.

      The tanks are not particularly strong. The Pearson installed ports are
      absolutely the wrong ones, designed for external pressure rather than
      internal.

      They can be replaced with the same ports that water ballasted sailboats use
      – I forget who makes them, but they’re pretty good. Also much cheaper than
      the stainless plates.

      If you do nothing else, move the vents from the blind bulkheads to
      somewhere that won’t get your clothes or underwear wet.

      I couldn’t use the forward sink for a vent because the plumbing was so
      small that the sink would overflow before I turned the water off. Also, I
      removed the sink and through hull.

      Bob

      On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Silverheels via maillist <
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      My water tanks leak around the inspection ports if I top off. New
      gaskets didn’t help. Pearson simply used the wrong ports for this
      application. I found some good ones online, but they’re
      expensive. I just watch the level through an inspection port when
      I’m taking on water and stop an inch or so short of full.

      Tor


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    • #82030
      Anonymous

      Tor, my inspection port did leak a little after changing the gasket also. It was very little and I could maybe live with it. This time I added the smallest line of form a gasket blue (very tiny line around the outer edge) and tightened it down with a small mallet.

      Bob, oh my those are expensive. I don’t quite get how your vent line are run. Do you mean that they attach at the exit point (fitting on top of tank) then double across on top of the tank …then … go up behind the bulkhead like mine do as in a vented loop and then down to the bilge? I’m not sure I understand that is any different from the vent going straight up behind and venting.

      Ken

    • #82031
      Anonymous

      Ken
      How’s the cabin sole? The laminated plywood sole used by Pearson isn’t very durable. There are a number of repair methods discussed in past threads.

      Rich


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    • #82032
      Anonymous

      Nice idea running the vent lines athwartship Bob. I just replaced my
      hoses since they seem to accumulate mold or similar and would have liked
      to have considered that approach prior to that. It would seem though
      that there might be a possibility of a siphon being created that could
      take a lot of the water out of the leeward tank when sailing healed over
      if the vent line did not finally go higher and into a air gap before
      draining to the bilge. In that case though wouldn’t the hose just fill
      with water and then up to the high spot in the system, just taking a few
      seconds longer? Maybe I am being dense on this Friday morning.

      Thanks

      Pete

      On 2/6/2015 8:00 AM, Robert Fine via maillist wrote:

      Quote:
      I replaced my ports with these: http://www.seabuilt.com/plates.php but
      there’s something else to be aware of. You can’t overpressurize the
      tanks. Leaving a running hose in the fill port is a primary way of
      cracking or overstressing the tank.

      My tanks all vent to the bilge and the vent line runs across the tanks
      (athwartships) twice before exiting. This prevents over pressure because
      the water never fills more than 3/4″ above the tank.

      The tanks are not particularly strong. The Pearson installed ports are
      absolutely the wrong ones, designed for external pressure rather than
      internal.

      They can be replaced with the same ports that water ballasted sailboats use
      – I forget who makes them, but they’re pretty good. Also much cheaper than
      the stainless plates.

      If you do nothing else, move the vents from the blind bulkheads to
      somewhere that won’t get your clothes or underwear wet.

      I couldn’t use the forward sink for a vent because the plumbing was so
      small that the sink would overflow before I turned the water off. Also, I
      removed the sink and through hull.

      Bob

      On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Silverheels via maillist <
      > wrote:

      Quote:
      My water tanks leak around the inspection ports if I top off. New
      gaskets didn’t help. Pearson simply used the wrong ports for this
      application. I found some good ones online, but they’re
      expensive. I just watch the level through an inspection port when
      I’m taking on water and stop an inch or so short of full.

      Tor


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    • #82033
      Anonymous

      Evidence that Tor is a single man ;^)
      (Nice work as always Tor)

      Pete

      On 2/6/2015 8:31 AM, Silverheels via maillist wrote:

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      I got rid of that forward sink & thru-hull, too, and converted that wasted space into a useful tool locker & workbench. (3 photos attached).

      Tor



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    • #82034
      Anonymous

      Rich, the surface (teak and holly) you can’t even tell, it’s the ply the
      t&h was laminated to that is mush. If and when I have the mast out I may
      try to clear it out and put in a filler. I’ve done similar repairs for
      people before. It’s a bit of a hack repair but repairing one section of an
      old sole (ha) is tough to match up. I’d never just add something on top. I
      have replaced whole soles in smaller boats working in and under cabinetry.
      Big job!

      Ken

      On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 8:56 AM, re.carter— via maillist <
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      Ken
      How’s the cabin sole? The laminated plywood sole used by Pearson isn’t
      very durable. There are a number of repair methods discussed in past
      threads.

      Rich


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    • #82035
      Anonymous

      Ya, Ya, looks like a bachelor pad to me for sure! (smile) I could do
      wonders with that space if it didn’t have bras and panties stuffed all
      over. (smile, wink)

      ken

      On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Silverheels via maillist <
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      I got rid of that forward sink & thru-hull, too, and converted that wasted
      space into a useful tool locker & workbench. (3 photos attached).

      Tor



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    • #82036
      Anonymous

      Re: Water Tank Leak

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      Yes, filling the water tanks is quirky on these boats.  Rather than pull all the cushions off and open the setee to monitor the water level, I just listen to the tank fill.  You can hear the water falling into the tank from the neck.  I’ve trained my ear to pick up when the pitch gets higher and you can’t detect the splash of falling water.  That’s when I stop filling.  Works for me.

      Dan Kalinowski

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    • #82037
      Anonymous

      Dan,

      Alternatively, you can cut an inspection port in the sliding plywood bunk piece, directly above the tank’s inspection port. If you set the jigsaw blade at an angle for the cut, the disc you cut out will set back on as a cover for the hole. When you’re filling the tanks, just lift that corner of the cushion, open the plywood cover, and unscrew the plastic inspection port to watch the rising water level. Stop an inch or two shy of the top. You might find it more accurate than just listening.

      Tor


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    • #82040
      Anonymous

      Hi Ken,

      If you look at those plates you can get a machine shop with water cutting
      capability to make these plates out of 1/8″ stainless for less than 1/3 the
      cost each, which is what I did.

      You are correct about the vent line going across the tank to the center of
      the boat, then across to the hull, and then back across to the bilge.
      Siphoning is prevented because the hose drains after filling and when the
      boat heels to port, there’s a bubble in the starboard loop and vice versa
      starboard. As soon as the boat levels, the hose drains again. The purpose
      is to minimize the pressure applied to the tank by having a vent loop.

      I might be wrong but it seems to work. I do still listen to the fill
      line. Because if I don’t the bilge pump will run.

      Bob

      On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Silverheels via maillist <
      > wrote:

      Quote:
      Dan,

      Alternatively, you can cut an inspection port in the sliding plywood bunk
      piece, directly above the tank’s inspection port. If you set the jigsaw
      blade at an angle for the cut, the disc you cut out will set back on as a
      cover for the hole. When you’re filling the tanks, just lift that corner of
      the cushion, open the plywood cover, and unscrew the plastic inspection
      port to watch the rising water level. Stop an inch or two shy of the top.
      You might find it more accurate than just listening.

      Tor


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    • #82047
      typhoontye
      Participant

      I use a gallon counter (meter), available at ACE, and I’m sure other fine retailers. It’s pretty cheap and screws to the end of your fill hose. I have a separate short length of hose on the ‘out’ end of the meter that I stick in the filler port. These gallon counters aren’t too accurate, but I know from experience that as I approach 50 gallons (on the stbd and port tanks) I’m full.

      I broke open a tank on my previous vessel while rounding the North end of Bimini in a pounding sea. I had filled my tank to the limit with no air gap…my bad. I’m more careful now.

      David
      Blue Moon #189

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