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    • #69125
      Anonymous

      Has anyone a copy of the Polars chart for the 424 ketch? (I am running
      PredictWind routing and need to enter some polars for the boat.

      Thanks,
      Pete

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    • #82548
      Anonymous

      I really want to make a joke here. Really. Like, ‘Slow, a little faster,
      a little faster yet, a little slower, slow.” but that would be
      inappropriate, wouldn’t it?

      Bob

      On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Pete Dubler via maillist <
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      Has anyone a copy of the Polars chart for the 424 ketch? (I am running
      PredictWind routing and need to enter some polars for the boat.

      Thanks,
      Pete

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    • #82552
      Anonymous

      That is exactly where I started…

      On 9/15/2015 1:58 PM, Robert Fine via maillist wrote:

      I really want to make a joke here. Really. Like, ‘Slow, a little faster,
      a little faster yet, a little slower, slow.” but that would be
      inappropriate, wouldn’t it?

      Bob

      On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Pete Dubler via maillist <
      > wrote:

      Has anyone a copy of the Polars chart for the 424 ketch? (I am running
      PredictWind routing and need to enter some polars for the boat.

      Thanks,
      Pete

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    • #82553
      Anonymous

      I had to google it. Does it account for head seas?


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    • #82554
      Anonymous

      Pete, am I missing something obvious? Because there’s a polar diagram in the 1978 review you have on your home page.
      Not that you’re sailing with main, mizzen, and 155(!).
      Like I said…I have to be missing something.

      Evan
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    • #82555
      Anonymous

      There is such a thing as a swells polar – sort of an enhancement you can
      add to the calculations.

      On 9/15/2015 6:46 PM, Tor via maillist wrote:

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      I had to google it. Does it account for head seas?


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    • #82556
      Anonymous

      That polar chart is very odd in that it uses a 5.2 kt average wind
      speed. The polar I am looking for would use a wind speed that could
      get the boat up to hull speed on a beam reach, say 15 kts. I guess I
      could just try a ratiometric approach and scale to hull speed on a beam
      reach and then figure out the percentages down from there. Very
      strange that they used such a low wind speed.

      On 9/15/2015 6:58 PM, Evan Morgan via maillist wrote:

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      Pete, am I missing something obvious? Because there’s a polar diagram in the 1978 review you have on your home page.
      Not that you’re sailing with main, mizzen, and 155(!).
      Like I said…I have to be missing something.

      Evan
      Revery


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    • #82557
      Anonymous

      That’s swell!


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    • #82558
      Anonymous

      That’s what I thought as well. But then again, I’ve looked at exactly two polar charts in my life, so what do I know? 😀


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    • #82559
      Anonymous

      Huh? A polar chart has both wind speed, wind direction, and target hull
      speed. There should be lines for 5 kts of wind up to some number the
      vessel is expected to see or race in.
      http://www.c34.org/faq-pages/images/polarDiag.gif is an example.

      Usually they go to about 10 kts. For a 424, I’d expect a higher number,
      but then the graph would be really large and crowded.

      Bob

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      That’s what I thought as well. But then again, I’ve looked at exactly two
      polar charts in my life, so what do I know? 😀


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    • #82560
      Anonymous

      Exactly! That is what I am looking for. Anyone seen one like this for
      the 424?

      On 9/15/2015 9:29 PM, Robert Fine via maillist wrote:

      Quote:
      Huh? A polar chart has both wind speed, wind direction, and target hull
      speed. There should be lines for 5 kts of wind up to some number the
      vessel is expected to see or race in.
      http://www.c34.org/faq-pages/images/polarDiag.gif is an example.

      Usually they go to about 10 kts. For a 424, I’d expect a higher number,
      but then the graph would be really large and crowded.

      Bob

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      That’s what I thought as well. But then again, I’ve looked at exactly two
      polar charts in my life, so what do I know? 😀


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    • #82561
      Anonymous

      US Sailing for $325.
      Not the answer you’re after, of course. 🙁


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    • #82562
      Anonymous

      I be darned. Seems like they do a theoretical calculation based on hull
      form and sail area. A little more than I was looking for. Amazing.

      On 9/15/2015 10:30 PM, Evan Morgan via maillist wrote:

      Quote:
      US Sailing for $325.
      Not the answer you’re after, of course. 🙁


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    • #82563
      Anonymous

      Pete,

      Forgive this nautical Luddite’s ignorance; this is the first I’ve heard of polars and I haven’t taken time to research them beyond the definition, “boat speed predictions across a range of wind angles and wind speeds.” So, I gather, this is about predicting what heading will optimize the boat’s VMG, telling the navigator in advance what heading to steer to achieve that. In the split-second urgency of racing, I see how that can be important.

      I understand you haven’t had a chance to sail your beautifully renovated 424 very much yet, but (hallelujah!) that’s about to change. After a few weeks or months of cruising it seems to me you will know in your bones exactly what she’ll do in various conditions, which can’t be predicted very far in advance anyway as far as I know. So what is it that these polars are likely to tell you that you’re not going to soon know anyway? I imagine you’ll still be referring to a VMG reading underway.

      (I have a feeling it’s time for me to learn something new on this forum again.)

      Tor


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