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Today the good ketch Silverheels kissed 9.7 knots SOG for the first time
since I’ve owned her. It happened as we came under the lee of St. Vincent,
southbound, flying her new (this year) 135% genoa, main & mizzen.It’s common for the trade winds to bend and kick up a notch as you (and
they) arrive at mountainous islands, sometimes several notches. So I wasn’t
surprised when it jumped from 15 knots to 20 gusting 25+ and backed a point.
What did surprise me was how my boat responded. I’m still getting used to
the new sails I bought her, which include fully-battened main & mizzen
sails. She started hitting 9+ knots for multi-second intervals. That’s
faster than her previous top speed of 8-point-something under her old sails.
Then the GPS declared 9.7 knots. WOW! And she never even came close to
dipping her rail. She just hunkered down and SMOKED, sustaining 9 knots for
even longer stretches, then slowing down to 8.7, 8.5, then blasting off
again. She hit 9.5 several times, 9.7 twice that I saw, and I thought I
glimpsed 9.8 one time but can’t swear to it. Awesome! Oh, if only I’d had
the staysail flying, too. Who knows what miracles I might have witnessed?
Dare I even think the theoretically impossible 10? And this with a boat
toting a full year’s-worth of provisions – we’re talking packed to the
proverbial gills, here – plus a dinghy in davits and fuel & water tanks
topped off just a day ago in Martinique, plus half a dozen jerry jugs more,
all the while dragging her vintage, fixed 3-blade prop (locked). OMG, can I
get an AMEN?And then, abruptly, the wind stopped – dead calm, sails limp, Silverheels as
stunned as I – and the sun came out for the first time all day. (Fade in
symphonic crescendo with angelic choir.) Hello, Universe.Yep, I’d say it was a good day at the office.
Tor
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That, my friend, is totally awesome!
Bob
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Today the good ketch Silverheels kissed 9.7 knots SOG for the first time
since I’ve owned her. It happened as we came under the lee of St. Vincent,
southbound, flying her new (this year) 135% genoa, main & mizzen.It’s common for the trade winds to bend and kick up a notch as you (and
they) arrive at mountainous islands, sometimes several notches. So I wasn’t
surprised when it jumped from 15 knots to 20 gusting 25+ and backed a
point.
What did surprise me was how my boat responded. I’m still getting used to
the new sails I bought her, which include fully-battened main & mizzen
sails. She started hitting 9+ knots for multi-second intervals. That’s
faster than her previous top speed of 8-point-something under her old
sails.
Then the GPS declared 9.7 knots. WOW! And she never even came close to
dipping her rail. She just hunkered down and SMOKED, sustaining 9 knots for
even longer stretches, then slowing down to 8.7, 8.5, then blasting off
again. She hit 9.5 several times, 9.7 twice that I saw, and I thought I
glimpsed 9.8 one time but can’t swear to it. Awesome! Oh, if only I’d had
the staysail flying, too. Who knows what miracles I might have witnessed?
Dare I even think the theoretically impossible 10? And this with a boat
toting a full year’s-worth of provisions – we’re talking packed to the
proverbial gills, here – plus a dinghy in davits and fuel & water tanks
topped off just a day ago in Martinique, plus half a dozen jerry jugs more,
all the while dragging her vintage, fixed 3-blade prop (locked). OMG, can I
get an AMEN?And then, abruptly, the wind stopped – dead calm, sails limp, Silverheels
as
stunned as I – and the sun came out for the first time all day. (Fade in
symphonic crescendo with angelic choir.) Hello, Universe.Yep, I’d say it was a good day at the office.
Tor
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inspirational, really thank you. What was your point of sail during
this rocket ride?We’re just getting Discoverie (p424 cutter) settled into her new home
on the CT shore of Long Island Sound and were getting 7.5kts+ SOG
pinching up from a beam reach in 18kts true wind last Friday. But I’m
not sure we weren’t getting a little kick from the current off
Smithtown Bay. She’s a new boat to us, and we are delighted with the
performance.cheers,
rbOn 6/26/13, Silverheels wrote:
Today the good ketch Silverheels kissed 9.7 knots SOG for the first time
since I’ve owned her. It happened as we came under the lee of St. Vincent,
southbound, flying her new (this year) 135% genoa, main & mizzen.It’s common for the trade winds to bend and kick up a notch as you (and
they) arrive at mountainous islands, sometimes several notches. So I wasn’t
surprised when it jumped from 15 knots to 20 gusting 25+ and backed a
point.
What did surprise me was how my boat responded. I’m still getting used to
the new sails I bought her, which include fully-battened main & mizzen
sails. She started hitting 9+ knots for multi-second intervals. That’s
faster than her previous top speed of 8-point-something under her old
sails.
Then the GPS declared 9.7 knots. WOW! And she never even came close to
dipping her rail. She just hunkered down and SMOKED, sustaining 9 knots for
even longer stretches, then slowing down to 8.7, 8.5, then blasting off
again. She hit 9.5 several times, 9.7 twice that I saw, and I thought I
glimpsed 9.8 one time but can’t swear to it. Awesome! Oh, if only I’d had
the staysail flying, too. Who knows what miracles I might have witnessed?
Dare I even think the theoretically impossible 10? And this with a boat
toting a full year’s-worth of provisions – we’re talking packed to the
proverbial gills, here – plus a dinghy in davits and fuel & water tanks
topped off just a day ago in Martinique, plus half a dozen jerry jugs more,
all the while dragging her vintage, fixed 3-blade prop (locked). OMG, can I
get an AMEN?And then, abruptly, the wind stopped – dead calm, sails limp, Silverheels
as
stunned as I – and the sun came out for the first time all day. (Fade in
symphonic crescendo with angelic choir.) Hello, Universe.Yep, I’d say it was a good day at the office.
Tor
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Good points, Roger. I should have said it was a beam reach and, since I
don’t have a knotmeter, I have no way of knowing if a stray current was
giving us a boost. The GPS only calculates SOG.What impressed me (beyond the sheer elation of it) was the stability of the
boat. She squatted, but didn’t heel much. And she tracked well; no
skittishness at all. Impressive.Has anyone else clocked those kinds of speeds in a 424 measured by a
knotmeter?Tor
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Hi Tor,
I’ve measured 8 kts by knot meter on a close reach, 120% jib, staysail,
main and mizzen in 18-20kts breeze. Also, 8 kts on a beam reach with same
jib, staysail and mizzen. I’ve actually tried to put the rail down into
the water and the closest I’ve gotten is about 18″ from the cap rail.
Driving these boats is just like driving a 63 Lincoln Continental.
Smmmoooth.Bob
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Good points, Roger. I should have said it was a beam reach and, since I
don’t have a knotmeter, I have no way of knowing if a stray current was
giving us a boost. The GPS only calculates SOG.What impressed me (beyond the sheer elation of it) was the stability of the
boat. She squatted, but didn’t heel much. And she tracked well; no
skittishness at all. Impressive.Has anyone else clocked those kinds of speeds in a 424 measured by a
knotmeter?Tor
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I was surprised that you were able to reach those speeds in the lee of St. Vincent. I have always needed to motor, and, the current is northerly.
But I have seen those SOG speeds on my GPS, in following seas, when the GPS is playing “catch up” . I’ve even seen a 11 kts. a couple of times. But of course for a short time only. It’s a function of the intervals between readings from the satellite.
I think the hull speed is around 7.8 kts. and current or following seas can push the speed into the 8’s quite easily.
The boat handles these conditions very well, and I miss my Half Moon already!
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Joe,
That all sounds reasonable. Yes, I had to motor half the time once I got
fully into the lee of St. Vincent, but when you first come behind these high
islands, when they are beginning to effectively block the ocean seas, the
trade winds whip around the end slopes like a slingshot, hard & fast. I’ve
experienced 40 knots at the northern end of St. Lucia. It can be quite
daunting.As for hull speed, I know the 1.35 x the square root formula, but when she
hunkers down and heels over a bit the actual waterline length increases
significantly. That said, 9.7 knots through the water seems unlikely for a
424, if not downright impossible. There was no following sea yesterday, and
it went on too long and too repeatedly for it to be a GPS catch-up error.
No, we hit 9.7 SOG. The only question is, was there a following, i.e.
southerly, current. According to displacement theory, probably. But
according to the thrill of the moment, who cares? It was way too much fun,
every fiber of the boat and the skipper thrumming and alive. I’ve just
sailed 2000 miles for that moment. I’m savoring it. (And gloating a bit, too
– obviously.)I’ll bet Half Moon misses you, too, Joe. But there are always other boats as
long as you’re up for it.Speaking of which, the most incredible surprise greeted me when I entered
the harbor at Deshaies, Guadeloupe, a couple of weeks ago. My former
cruising sailboat, Sparrow, a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 37, was anchored
there! I hadn’t seen her since I sold her in Miami to a Dutch couple in
1993. They sailed her out to the South Pacific, where she remained until a
year or two ago when I received an email from a Brit who said Sparrow was
for sale in the Mediterranean, that he was thinking of buyer her, and would
I mind answering a few questions about the boat. That’s the last I heard of
her until I anchored Silverheels’ alongside her in Guadeloupe. Of course, I
soon introduced myself to the current owner, that same fellow who had
emailed me, and enjoyed a nostalgic tour of the boat that had been my home
and my magic carpet for 6 years and 30,000 nautical miles between 1987 and
1993. Small ocean!And it ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings,
Tor
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The best I’ve ever seen without current or following sea is 8.3kts downwind in a blow. The actual hull speed is somewhere around 7.8kts and is the best I can do through the water under power. At half-throttle she does about 7.4kts. If I continue to pull the throttle up a wave climbs up the transom and the GPS SOG slowly goes up to 7.8. I cruise at a more modest throttle setting and make between 6.5 and 7.0kts which seems to be the sweet spot.
Here in the northeast, there are cruising areas that have significant currents. 3kts is not uncommon and a few spots have as much as 6kts. Cape Cod is one of those areas. If you plan the current correctly, you can count on an average SOG of about 8kts with some route legs averaging 11-kts. This makes an 80nm cruise in less than 10 hrs possible. If you don’t plan it right, you can spend all day and only make 40 miles. Having a good chart-plotter that computes and displays current such as Nobeltec VNS helps plan the cruise to make best use of the prevailing currents. There are current tables in Eldridge that let you plan this by hand.
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Thanks, Quent. What other forum? What was Risto’s question?
All these compliments have gone to my head. I just sent that little story to
Cruising World to see if they’ll print it. Why not? But I’ve spruced it up a
bit. The final version is at http://www.tor.cc/articles/bragging.htm .Tor
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“Has anyone else clocked those kinds of speeds in a 424 measured by a
knotmeter?”The closest I’ve come was the first week out of Madeira heading for
Bermuda, but that was mostly when sliding down 8′-10′ seas.. We had 30-40
kts on the starboard quarter and did mostly 8s, but peaked to over 10 on
occasions. The only time I’ve ever sustained 10 kts for more than a moment
was in the Strait of Gibraltar with its strong inflowing current.
Like you I really impressed with how easy it was to control the boat in
those strong winds and seas. She would want to round up at times, but the
Monitor wind vane could easily drive her back down. Never was out of
control or had to hand steer even when the apparent wind approached 40 kts.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Joe,That all sounds reasonable. Yes, I had to motor half the time once I got
fully into the lee of St. Vincent, but when you first come behind these
high
islands, when they are beginning to effectively block the ocean seas, the
trade winds whip around the end slopes like a slingshot, hard & fast. I’ve
experienced 40 knots at the northern end of St. Lucia. It can be quite
daunting.As for hull speed, I know the 1.35 x the square root formula, but when she
hunkers down and heels over a bit the actual waterline length increases
significantly. That said, 9.7 knots through the water seems unlikely for a
424, if not downright impossible. There was no following sea yesterday, and
it went on too long and too repeatedly for it to be a GPS catch-up error.
No, we hit 9.7 SOG. The only question is, was there a following, i.e.
southerly, current. According to displacement theory, probably. But
according to the thrill of the moment, who cares? It was way too much fun,
every fiber of the boat and the skipper thrumming and alive. I’ve just
sailed 2000 miles for that moment. I’m savoring it. (And gloating a bit,
too
– obviously.)I’ll bet Half Moon misses you, too, Joe. But there are always other boats
as
long as you’re up for it.Speaking of which, the most incredible surprise greeted me when I entered
the harbor at Deshaies, Guadeloupe, a couple of weeks ago. My former
cruising sailboat, Sparrow, a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 37, was anchored
there! I hadn’t seen her since I sold her in Miami to a Dutch couple in
1993. They sailed her out to the South Pacific, where she remained until a
year or two ago when I received an email from a Brit who said Sparrow was
for sale in the Mediterranean, that he was thinking of buyer her, and would
I mind answering a few questions about the boat. That’s the last I heard of
her until I anchored Silverheels’ alongside her in Guadeloupe. Of course, I
soon introduced myself to the current owner, that same fellow who had
emailed me, and enjoyed a nostalgic tour of the boat that had been my home
and my magic carpet for 6 years and 30,000 nautical miles between 1987 and
1993. Small ocean!And it ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings,
Tor
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Yes, barring GPS error (which I’ve never noticed in this unit), I have to
agree there HAD to be a significant current running yesterday, not
surprising since there is a westerly current, sometimes very strong, running
from the Atlantic into the Caribbean Sea in between all these islands. I’ve
had to compensate for it daily and substantially in the channels. Clearly
that current was whipping around the end of St. Vincent as powerfully as did
the wind.But it was still a thrill.
Tor
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Hey Tor,
Other forum is general chit chat on this web site. He asked how P-424 ketch sailed. I guess you answered that.
On the 424, not so much, but I did occasionally see 10 kts on a prior boat. A Hunter 33, all it took was a broad reach, about 18-20 kts of wind, a 2 foot following sea, and about a half turn clockwise on the magic screw on the back of the knotmeter.
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I want one of those magic meters!
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Yes, same place you. Between Bequia and st. Vincent. Took photos as proof. With 1st. Reef to boot.
AlanSent from my iPhone
On Jun 27, 2013, at 6:20 AM, “Silverheels” wrote:
Quote:Good points, Roger. I should have said it was a beam reach and, since I
don’t have a knotmeter, I have no way of knowing if a stray current was
giving us a boost. The GPS only calculates SOG.What impressed me (beyond the sheer elation of it) was the stability of the
boat. She squatted, but didn’t heel much. And she tracked well; no
skittishness at all. Impressive.Has anyone else clocked those kinds of speeds in a 424 measured by a
knotmeter?Tor
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Tor, I don’t mean to be a spoiler but rather just a fact provider.
Someone else will be closer to a desktop with full Internet service right now than I am, but I do believe that the maximum hull speed of our beloved 424’s is about 8.7 kn. When you measured your SOG with the GPS, it was taking into account The movement also of the water in which you were sailing.
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Quote:Yes, same place you. Between Bequia and st. Vincent. Took photos as proof. With 1st. Reef to boot.
AlanSent from my iPhone
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Quote:Good points, Roger. I should have said it was a beam reach and, since I
don’t have a knotmeter, I have no way of knowing if a stray current was
giving us a boost. The GPS only calculates SOG.What impressed me (beyond the sheer elation of it) was the stability of the
boat. She squatted, but didn’t heel much. And she tracked well; no
skittishness at all. Impressive.Has anyone else clocked those kinds of speeds in a 424 measured by a
knotmeter?Tor
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Of course, you’re right, Thatcher. Once I calmed down from the experience I
added the following disclaimer to the story (on
http://www.tor.cc/articles/bragging.htm):The GPS read 9.7 knots SOG, i.e., “speed over ground.” The author recognizes
the theoretical impossibility of a 42′ displacement hull going, let alone
exceeding, 9 knots thru the water. In deference to the laws of displacement,
there must have been a southerly current helping Silverheels along in this
tale. But in deference to the thrill of the moment, who cares? It was way
too much fun, every fiber of the boat and the skipper thrumming and alive.
I’d just sailed 2000 miles for that thrill and I’m savoring it. (And,
admittedly, gloating a bit, too, even it was only SOG.)Tor
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AHA! The plot thickens. Perhaps petty little laws of displacement and such
do not apply down here. Most other things don’t.Now, about that proof. Is yours a photo of a knotmeter readout or a GPS?
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I believe it is a photo of the knot meter showing SOG.
BTW.
Just returned from a Bermuda to NYC delivery on a 47 catamaran. Wind speeds to 49 kts. in squalls. 4 day trip.
AlanSent from my iPhone
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Quote:AHA! The plot thickens. Perhaps petty little laws of displacement and such
do not apply down here. Most other things don’t.Now, about that proof. Is yours a photo of a knotmeter readout or a GPS?
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Geez, I don’t remember the last time I saw 49 knots at sea. Never again
would be too soon. (I’ve become a trade winds wimp in my dotage.) I gather
the catamaran didn’t mind, though. Great experience!Tor
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From my humble perspective, SOG beats speed through the water. Who cares
how fast you’re going through the water when its distance over ground
you’re trying to cover… 🙂On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Geez, I don’t remember the last time I saw 49 knots at sea. Never again
would be too soon. (I’ve become a trade winds wimp in my dotage.) I gather
the catamaran didn’t mind, though. Great experience!Tor
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Absolutely right. Speed over ground is everything. If you don’t have SOG then you’re just sitting there!
AlanSent from my iPhone
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Quote:From my humble perspective, SOG beats speed through the water. Who cares
how fast you’re going through the water when its distance over ground
you’re trying to cover… 🙂On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Geez, I don’t remember the last time I saw 49 knots at sea. Never again
would be too soon. (I’ve become a trade winds wimp in my dotage.) I gather
the catamaran didn’t mind, though. Great experience!Tor
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Damn, really? I gotta’ get past this old sextant & RDF. Sounds like there
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And autopilot…. Don’t forget the autopilot has been invented since you started sailing.
Sitting in Boston waiting for flight to Rochester that has been cancelled and have to go to Philly instead then to rochester. Started out in NYC this morning.
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Quote:Damn, really? I gotta’ get past this old sextant & RDF. Sounds like there
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Hell, the fore & aft rig was invented since I started sailing.
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Oh I’m sorry, it’s the lawyer in me passing through to the sailor side.
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Quote:Of course, you’re right, Thatcher. Once I calmed down from the experience I
added the following disclaimer to the story (on
http://www.tor.cc/articles/bragging.htm):The GPS read 9.7 knots SOG, i.e., “speed over ground.” The author recognizes
the theoretical impossibility of a 42′ displacement hull going, let alone
exceeding, 9 knots thru the water. In deference to the laws of displacement,
there must have been a southerly current helping Silverheels along in this
tale. But in deference to the thrill of the moment, who cares? It was way
too much fun, every fiber of the boat and the skipper thrumming and alive.
I’d just sailed 2000 miles for that thrill and I’m savoring it. (And,
admittedly, gloating a bit, too, even it was only SOG.)Tor
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No, you were right, Thatcher. SOG isn’t STW. (Speed through water?) In the
excitement of the moment it just took me a day to remember that. No need for
us to exaggerate the truly admirable sailing characteristics of our boats.Tor
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Tor
In light of all the commentary here based upon your wonderful experience, I have to tell you that despite owning my Pearson ketch for now 12 years, there is one and one sail only that is emblazoned on my mind like a brilliant memory that never fades. My daughter and I were spending our usual two weeks on the boat before labor day when she was I think 12 or 13. She is Now almost 22. We left Martha’s Vineyard towards the south through the narrow channel that leads out to deep, open water. We headed west on a glorious August day with plenty of south wind blowing, maybe 15 or 20. We had one Beam reach with one set of sails and no adjustments until we Turned northeast with a jibe and headed for the entrance to Block Island’s new harbor and our favorite anchorage. The sail lasted about 6 1/2 or seven hours, it went from a lovely mid day sun through sunset to night time and A waning wind. The boat flew over Calm water and at one point, I noticed that the chart plotter said that speed over ground was 9.2 knots. My daughter said it was a thrilling day and we both had giant smiles on our faces. That’s the day I will never forget on my ketch.
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Quote:No, you were right, Thatcher. SOG isn’t STW. (Speed through water?) In the
excitement of the moment it just took me a day to remember that. No need for
us to exaggerate the truly admirable sailing characteristics of our boats.Tor
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Beautiful story. We sail a lot of hard miles to windward for one day like
that.Tor
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Some of my favorite memories in Clairebuoyant were the nights charging along with a fresh breeze and a following sea and overcast sky. Sailing with blind faith and dumb luck that there were no hard objects in our path.
Coming off the back of a swell and landing in the hole in front of it, the P-424 would land softly and rise to the next swell whereas more modern boats of similar size would violently slam their relatively flat bottoms into the water wave after wave.
Maybe they are built to take that, but it sure makes for a long night. If that’s what it takes to go a little faster, I’ll stick with the ‘424.
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Thanks.
I’m off to try a case in New York in federal court about discrimination by a Middle Eastern airline against 10 black residents of Greensboro. Will prep for one week, try the case for one week and then go to the boat in Rhode Island. I can’t wait to Try and right the wrong this family suffered, and then to enjoy the postscript on Wavemaker.Sent from my iPhone
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Quote:Beautiful story. We sail a lot of hard miles to windward for one day like
that.Tor
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Good for you, fighting the good fight. Give ’em hell! You’ll enjoy your
leisure time that much more for having earned it so nobly.Would that I could have done as much in my professional life.
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So here’s the deal. I spent 30 years on Wall Street writing indentures and leases and mortgages for new Boeing and Airbus aircraft all over the world. Almost a guru in the field. Represented the US government’s export credit program for Boeing at us ex im bank.
When my daughter was educated and my marriage was over I decided to take my education and do what I had always hoped having grown up in the era of Kunstler And having watched as a 14-year-old the summer when both Bobby Kennedy and Dr. King were killed. So now all I do is take contingency cases for black brown yellow and if there are any, green people who have been treated miserably by the airlines, other than wrongful death or crash. I’ve had a lot of positive results, and some lousy ones. As my mentor used to say, the individual who claims to have won all of his cases only tried one case.
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Quote:Good for you, fighting the good fight. Give ’em hell! You’ll enjoy your
leisure time that much more for having earned it so nobly.Would that I could have done as much in my professional life.
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That’s a great bio, Thatcher! I’d say you’re the guy with real ‘bragging
rights’ around here.
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NO No No. I’m just a pudgy lawyer who makes it round his boat, and the
courtroom.
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Well, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
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Tor
I just got word to put my car keys down, the compressor for the fridge is
not working. I know you have been through your boat up and down. My boat
handbook all owners got is – of course – 500 miles away on the boat.If I could replace the compressor, whose is it/
And if I should replace doing minimal work, what do you suggest. I am told
its lousy in RI and I am not missing anything so I do not feel bad.
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Thatcher,
My statement that half the people on this forum know more about boat gear
than I was not facetious, and refrigerator compressors definitely fall under
that category. Even if I knew what system you have in your boat (Silverheels
came with an Adler Barbour), I couldn’t tell you how to deal with the
problem you’re having other than to say “ask Bob.” As far as I can tell,
anything that you, Rich, John or Pete don’t know, Bob almost invariably
does. And remember: He’s not being terse. It’s from his mobile. 🙂Sorry I can’t be of more help.
Tor
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No problem.
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Quote:Thatcher,My statement that half the people on this forum know more about boat gear
than I was not facetious, and refrigerator compressors definitely fall under
that category. Even if I knew what system you have in your boat (Silverheels
came with an Adler Barbour), I couldn’t tell you how to deal with the
problem you’re having other than to say “ask Bob.” As far as I can tell,
anything that you, Rich, John or Pete don’t know, Bob almost invariably
does. And remember: He’s not being terse. It’s from his mobile. 🙂Sorry I can’t be of more help.
Tor
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Sorry about raising the old thread, but I seldom mention our speed record on Madness for fear of branded a liar.
But since others have seen similar speeds – We have never seen north of 10 knots in our native Buzzards bay, but plenty of mid 8s and the occasional low 9.
On the way to Bermuda, about 100 miles south of Nantucket, we hit 11.3 over ground, and it is caught on video thanks to Alan (Unabated). Paul Lefevre was at the wheel. We must have had current helping use, but if you watch the video you can see we were moving along. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttntmlO7L7M right at 0:50 Paul announces the speed, verified later by 3 GPSs.
More impressive to me was the the final approach to Bermuda in which we never showed a speed over ground under 10 knots for over an hour. Not even for a second. And the apparent wind was just FORWARD of the beam! The boat took on a different movement through the water; she felt like she was skipping. The guys below (Alan and Paul) were getting bounced up out of their bunks “resting” up for their next watch. They were kind enough not to tell us on watch to knock it the hell off, knowing how much fun we were having (maybe by the blasting stereo). The wind picked up and we started to lose control; we had to drop the main, reef the jib and put up the reefed mizzen.
Since we are bragging, I was very impressed with the old girl this past weekend hitting mid 5s and 6s in 8 knots true in a close each (no current; new jib this year, clean bottom, feathering max prop, dinghy in davits) I think that is fine performance in light wind. I left my buddy boat (Freedom 36) so far behind, I went back and took his dinghy under tow to even up our arrival time. New jibs rock!
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So did the sparrow make it to Bermuda?
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No….paul had an unexplainable distaste for the bird. Walt didn’t like the fact that the bird crapped all over his sleeping bag and lap top.
The sparrow turned up missing one morning.
No questions asked!!!Alan
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Tell Paul they’re best when sautéed in onions & garlic with a dash of
cayenne.Over the years I’ve had a variety of land birds arrive on board offshore,
probably blown out to sea by strong winds. In the beginning, I/we would try
to help them with food, water, sometimes even an improvised nest. Nothing
worked and as far as I know, none of them survived. Now I just leave them
alone. Amazing how seemingly tame they become, isn’t it? (photo attached)As for our boats’ speeds, at some point the physical limitation of hull
speed kicks in. Higher speeds over ground must be attributed to current.
That said, seeing those lofty numbers on the GPS and feeling the boat so
alive sure is worth the price of admission.BTW, I have always figured a boat’s maximum hull speed using the standard
formula, v = 1.34 (square root of LWL). Interestingly, Wikipedia suggests
that the multiplier can be as high as 1.5 (even 1.7 for a powerboat), which
raises the result somewhat. Also, a boat’s LWL is always a bit of a guess
since it increases as the hull heels and/or squats. The 424’s LWL is given
as 33’8″ in the brochure. Has anyone figured out what it probably is when
the boat is achieving hull speed in a strong breeze? My guess is around
36′(maybe 37?), but it’s only a guess. Taking the highest possible numbers,
then, 1.5 and 37′, it seems theoretically possible for a Pearson 424 to sail
9 knots through the water. I’m just sayin’…Tor
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