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Shay sports a Florida registration & costs about $11 a year. A requirement is that the boat MUST have the same make and model of engine that the boat had originally. With two extra W60’s and tons of parts, no problem!
BTW, Shay will be listed for sale. See http://home.comcast.net/~hanks424/
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Cool!
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM, quent wrote:
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Don’t know if anyone here registers their boat in Florida. If so, might
be interested in a letter in the latest issue of Ocean Navigator.
Apparently 30 year old boats qualify as antique and get serious discount on
registration.
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I just crossed my fingers when I signed the application (the requirement
for original engine make and model is on a separate page from the
application), and didn’t mention my Yanmar repower. The difference in
annual cost is $11 vrs $130.
Obviously the intention is provide a discount for owners who maintain a
true antique – think 1950s Cris-Craft or Hacker, not a 1980s 424.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
Cool!
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM, quent wrote:
Guys-
Don’t know if anyone here registers their boat in Florida. If so, might
be interested in a letter in the latest issue of Ocean Navigator.
Apparently 30 year old boats qualify as antique and get serious discounton
registration.
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I just crossed my fingers when I signed the application (the requirement
for original engine make and model is on a separate page from the
application), and didn’t mention my Yanmar repower. The difference in
annual cost is $11 vrs $130.
Obviously the intention is provide a discount for owners who maintain a
true antique – think 1950s Cris-Craft or Hacker, not a 1980s 424.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
Cool!
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM, quent wrote:
Guys-
Don’t know if anyone here registers their boat in Florida. If so, might
be interested in a letter in the latest issue of Ocean Navigator.
Apparently 30 year old boats qualify as antique and get serious discounton
registration.
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s/v Pelican
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Dan Wrote: Why not just USCG document?
That’s how I do it, Dan, but Silverheels doesn’t spend any appreciable time
in the US so no state has a claim on her. Most states require boats that
remain in their waters for (typically) more than 6 months to state-register
with them, whether or not the boat is federally documented. It’s just a
money-&-control grab, officially sanctioned extortion IMHO, or as our
straight-talking forefathers called it, “taxation without representation.”
(OK, OK, I’ll tone down my Libertarian politics.) I believe the federal
government has decreed that US Documentation is all the registration a
qualifying vessel requires, but most states choose to simply ignore that
law.It’s not only the state registration fee you need to worry about. Once they
have “signed you up,” if you can’t produce proof that you paid state sales
tax someplace when you bought your boat, your new “resident” state may well
go after you for that, too. Now we’re talking thousands. Not a pretty
picture.There are a few legal loopholes for those willing to pursue them. For
example, last time I checked there is no state sales tax on boats
bought/sold/registered in Oregon, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Delaware.
Also, Florida (and probably other states) do not (or didn’t used to) count
days a boat is in a credible repair facility towards the 6-month time period
before state registration (or paying a hefty Sales Tax or User Tax) is
required. And so on…Tor
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Tor: Hawai’i has never pressed me for any fees or registration. Neither has it approached any of my documented dock mates in two different marinas. There was no sales tax when I bought my 424 and no state paperwork, even though she was purchased through a broker. I’ll keep my head down and check further, but here, in my experience, USCG documented boats have no state connection.
How’s that for a reason to sail out here? I think you’d like it.
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Most states require registration have a 90-day period after which they
consider the boat permanently in their state and require registration, and
(if appropriate) payment of the sales tax difference between the state of
original sale and the newly registered state. I believe the 90-day period
is consistent for all states on the East Coast, which includes FL. NC was
one of the few states that did not require registration of documented
vessels, but that just changed and they have the 90-day period as well.
I may have told this story before, but …
When I was living in RI in the early 80s I read that MA hired a tax
collector and bought him a Boston Whaler. During the summer months his job
was to go around to all the marinas in the Whaler and record the name,
registration and hailing port of all vessels. Then he would send a tax
bill to the owners of all boats with a MA hailing port not registered in
the state. Over the winter the state put him up in a hotel in Dover, DE to
find any corporations that owned the boats with a DE hailing port. If the
owners of the corporation had a MA residence, they got a tax bill as well.
The word was the state could have bought him a Hinkley instead of a Whaler
for the amount of revenue he brought in.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Dan Wrote: Why not just USCG document?
That’s how I do it, Dan, but Silverheels doesn’t spend any appreciable time
in the US so no state has a claim on her. Most states require boats that
remain in their waters for (typically) more than 6 months to state-register
with them, whether or not the boat is federally documented. It’s just a
money-&-control grab, officially sanctioned extortion IMHO, or as our
straight-talking forefathers called it, “taxation without representation.”
(OK, OK, I’ll tone down my Libertarian politics.) I believe the federal
government has decreed that US Documentation is all the registration a
qualifying vessel requires, but most states choose to simply ignore that
law.It’s not only the state registration fee you need to worry about. Once they
have “signed you up,” if you can’t produce proof that you paid state sales
tax someplace when you bought your boat, your new “resident” state may well
go after you for that, too. Now we’re talking thousands. Not a pretty
picture.There are a few legal loopholes for those willing to pursue them. For
example, last time I checked there is no state sales tax on boats
bought/sold/registered in Oregon, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Delaware.
Also, Florida (and probably other states) do not (or didn’t used to) count
days a boat is in a credible repair facility towards the 6-month time
period
before state registration (or paying a hefty Sales Tax or User Tax) is
required. And so on…Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
http://www.silverheels.us
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I might add that the FL counties are pretty aggressive in checking the
registration of boats. They know lots of boats come south for the winter.
The registration fee goes to the county, not the state, so the locals are
motivated to check the boats. Volusia County (Daytona Beach) has the worst
reputation for going after boat registration.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:11 AM, kalinowski wrote:
Tor: Hawai’i has never pressed me for any fees or registration. Neither
has it approached any of my documented dock mates in two different marinas.
There was no sales tax when I bought my 424 and no state paperwork, even
though she was purchased through a broker. I’ll keep my head down and
check further, but here, in my experience, USCG documented boats have no
state connection.How’s that for a reason to sail out here? I think you’d like it.
Dan Kalinowski
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That’s happy news, Dan, and as it should be. As for liking it out there, I
KNOW I would. I did! I lived on Maui in the early 70’s, when it was a
totally cool bohemian paradise, hippie heaven on earth (except for the
Hawaiians, who’s favorite pastime was haole bashing). From what I’ve heard,
I wouldn’t recognize Maui now for all the condos and development, nor would
I like it so much considering my old hippie tastes haven’t changed all that
much. But much of The Big Island and Kauai still sound wonderful, and last I
heard the north coast of Oahu was still mostly natural – or have the
developers ruined that, too?As for sailing there, I don’t recall many places to anchor. Seemed to be a
scarcity of natural harbors. Am I mistaken?Tor
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John,
Another reminder of why I don’t cruise in the US anymore. Over-aggressive
tax extortion – I mean, 90 days? Give me a break! – gun-&-boot-clad Coast
Guard “safety inspections,” Marine Police harassment in port and underway,
stone-faced Homeland Security thugs roaring by in black rocket ships that we
paid for, ubiquitous anchoring restrictions and outright bans, tip to tip
private waterfront and $100/night dockage. No other country I’ve cruised
treats small yachts so shabbily. I’m old enough to remember a kinder, freer,
more courteous American coast, one I used to explore by boat as a free
citizen, a respected young adventurer and a welcomed guest, where the Coast
Guard were the good guys, there when you needed help even if only a friendly
tow into the harbor, not a coastal police force with leveled deck canons and
notches in their guns. Maybe there are still pockets of that America left,
some cruiser-friendly harbors where the town docks are free to anyone who
cares to tie up for a few days, where folks offer a handshake instead of an
invoice, where moorings haven’t crowded out any possibility of anchoring and
the police are there to Serve and Protect, not just top off their ticket
quotas. I believe there is still a bit of that left, but it seems like you
have to run some tough gauntlets to find them – and you better not stay too
long.IMHO.
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I have what ever you’re smoking
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Quote:On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:34 PM, “Silverheels” wrote:John,
Another reminder of why I don’t cruise in the US anymore. Over-aggressive
tax extortion – I mean, 90 days? Give me a break! – gun-&-boot-clad Coast
Guard “safety inspections,” Marine Police harassment in port and underway,
stone-faced Homeland Security thugs roaring by in black rocket ships that we
paid for, ubiquitous anchoring restrictions and outright bans, tip to tip
private waterfront and $100/night dockage. No other country I’ve cruised
treats small yachts so shabbily. I’m old enough to remember a kinder, freer,
more courteous American coast, one I used to explore by boat as a free
citizen, a respected young adventurer and a welcomed guest, where the Coast
Guard were the good guys, there when you needed help even if only a friendly
tow into the harbor, not a coastal police force with leveled deck canons and
notches in their guns. Maybe there are still pockets of that America left,
some cruiser-friendly harbors where the town docks are free to anyone who
cares to tie up for a few days, where folks offer a handshake instead of an
invoice, where moorings haven’t crowded out any possibility of anchoring and
the police are there to Serve and Protect, not just top off their ticket
quotas. I believe there is still a bit of that left, but it seems like you
have to run some tough gauntlets to find them – and you better not stay too
long.IMHO.
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Tor: I didn’t have the $ for a boat in my younger days, but I did have my thumb. Cruised a lot of the backwoods US. More hair and longer back then! The Big Island, eastern Maui, and Lanai still offer the “Old Hawai’i” experience. The North Shore of O’ahu is slowly being overrun by Jap and Chinese tourists. You’re right, not many anchorages. Most of the cruisers I have met have gone to the South Pacific to get lost in beautiful islands and friendly people. No haole talk there! Planning to take the Pearson there with my son when he graduates from UH. Poke around and finally sell the boat in NZ, where top penny is paid. At least that’s the plan for now.
Presently dealing with the stench of 233,000 gallons of molasses just spilled in the lagoon by Matson. Killed thousands of fish and coral heads. The stink is amazing. No known way to clean it up and they are letting it slowly be washed away by the ocean.
Dan Kalinowski
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I’m sure you do, Alan, but I wouldn’t broadcast it online.
Don’t mind me, friends, I was just having a “born free” moment down here in
paradise. The officials tend to leave us in peace here. Apparently we’re
“good for the economy.” I’m sure everything is perfectly rosy up north, as
well.So, getting back to the subject at hand, Pearson 424’s and Florida boat
registration, it seems to me if a federally documented vessel is cruising
abroad most of the time and has no particular state affiliation, state
registration is not necessary or required. Perhaps there is an admiralty
attorney in the group who knows better?Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
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Quent, my friend, if the Coasties/DEA/NSA/Men-in-Black see that little
tirade of mine taped to your bulkhead they will strip your boat to the bone
from stem to stern and, whether or not there’s anything there, they will
find it and ruin your day, or worse. In my experience, jackboots rarely have
a sense of humor (although one of them did once pet my dog). I’m probably
already risking life and limb with my public venting. Blame it on too much
reading lately and a shot (or two) of that good Barbados rum.Or so I’ve heard. Maybe they’ll just smile and say yes, Captain Quent,
you’re right. We used to be nicer. Sorry, sir, we’ll try to do better in the
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Well, bless your hippie heart, Dan. You’re a kindred spirit, to be sure.
Back before I could afford a sunken dinghy I considered myself a Master
Hitchhiker. I could stick out my thumb in Miami with $3 in my pocket and
arrive in San Francisco with a dollar left and never once did I panhandle a
penny. Life was its own cornucopia in those days. I logged tens of thousands
of road miles that way. What a great time in our lives! What adventures we
lived! Oh, I’d trade everything to do it all again.I keep putting off sailing out to the South Pacific. Really should have done
it a long time ago. We’ll see.Sorry to hear about the molasses. Too bad they hadn’t yet distilled it into
rum. What a party that would’ve been!Tor
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Yes, Q, and I may yet pay a heavy price because I did. They really are
monitoring our emails now, or so I hear on the mainstream news these days.
Spooky. Kind of makes you want to speak your mind and then get out of town.But I apologize to this forum. This isn’t the place for my paranoid rants.
I’ve just been besieged lately by a lot of scary information while
simultaneously reading Al Gore’s book, “The Future,” not to mention a deluge
of disturbing media mush online. I cherish the freedom our boats represent
and worry that my grandchildren may never experience it.OK, back to boat stuff. I’ve been lucky with my writing lately and expect to
have one little Cruising Tip in the October issue of SAIL, plus 3 pieces in
their November issue and 3 more in December, plus one little story in the
December issue of Cruising World that I originally wrote as a note to this
forum, about Silverheels hitting 9.7 knots (albeit SOG). What fun!Quote:
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Quent, philosophically, I agree with you. Better judgement agrees with
Tor. Speak truth to power these days and you have a really good chance of
being detained indefinitely with no charges and no bail.We don’t live in the country those who paid a heavy price for did. And you
can’t include the current vets. They paid the price for political
shenanigans. I stand with them, but they weren’t protecting our rights.
They were protecting Haliburton’s oil.Bob
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:48 PM, quent wrote:
Speak truth to power, Tor. Many paid a heavy price so you could.
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Oh my Tor, talk about kindred spirit…..100,000 miles first 5 years out of high school, 46 or 47 states, 9 countries of Europe. Once, “with” spare change from my sister made it from Boston to SF with a puppy and had $15 when I got there. And my most awesome past fact is…..I really was standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona when a girl in a flatbed Ford slowed down to take a look at me. I always felt she didn’t stop because….I had my hair stuffed up under my hat!
Ken
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