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Today we were going to take a short trip up to Punta de Mita to do
some surfing, but with steady white smoke we decided to instead to
head in to the Marina here in La Cruz de Huanacaxtle.As we were motoring back slowly we ran at idle for a while and when I
revved the engine back up we started to go above our rock-steady 180F
engine temp we’re used to. Throttling back lowered the engine temp and
we made it into out slip.We’ve had no really trouble with out W58 to date, so I guess we’re
due. I suspect a coolant issue as we have some coolant in the small
catch before the bilge. I did, stupidly, open the engine cap a week
ago and spilled some coolant, but this looks to be more than that and
is has a bit of oil on the edges of the accumulated coolant. Our
engine pan is coated with oil though, despite how well I cleaned it
last time. so it no guarantee that mix happened inside or outside the
engine….Anyway, I’m waiting for the engine to cool down, then I’m going to
pull out my Nigel Calder books and Google and start looking over
things. If anyone has any suggestions I’m all ears.I’ll update as a I learn more as I assume the other W58s out there are
interested in following along….Thanks,
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
Patrick,
What does the oil in the crankcase look like?
BillSent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Peaboy Walters wrote:
Today we were going to take a short trip up to Punta de Mita to do
some surfing, but with steady white smoke we decided to instead to
head in to the Marina here in La Cruz de Huanacaxtle.As we were motoring back slowly we ran at idle for a while and when I
revved the engine back up we started to go above our rock-steady 180F
engine temp we’re used to. Throttling back lowered the engine temp and
we made it into out slip.We’ve had no really trouble with out W58 to date, so I guess we’re
due. I suspect a coolant issue as we have some coolant in the small
catch before the bilge. I did, stupidly, open the engine cap a week
ago and spilled some coolant, but this looks to be more than that and
is has a bit of oil on the edges of the accumulated coolant. Our
engine pan is coated with oil though, despite how well I cleaned it
last time. so it no guarantee that mix happened inside or outside the
engine….Anyway, I’m waiting for the engine to cool down, then I’m going to
pull out my Nigel Calder books and Google and start looking over
things. If anyone has any suggestions I’m all ears.I’ll update as a I learn more as I assume the other W58s out there are
interested in following along….Thanks,
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The dip stick looks fine, but I was thinking I might start with
changing the oil to get more information about the oil.Just cracking open the Nigel Book now that the engine has cooled off.
-pOn 3/22/12, Bill Emberley wrote:
Patrick,
What does the oil in the crankcase look like?
BillSent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Peaboy Walters wrote:
< Apologies for any dupes I think this failed to go out last time I hit
send>Today we were going to take a short trip up to Punta de Mita to do
some surfing, but with steady white smoke we decided to instead to
head in to the Marina here in La Cruz de Huanacaxtle.As we were motoring back slowly we ran at idle for a while and when I
revved the engine back up we started to go above our rock-steady 180F
engine temp we’re used to. Throttling back lowered the engine temp and
we made it into out slip.We’ve had no really trouble with out W58 to date, so I guess we’re
due. I suspect a coolant issue as we have some coolant in the small
catch before the bilge. I did, stupidly, open the engine cap a week
ago and spilled some coolant, but this looks to be more than that and
is has a bit of oil on the edges of the accumulated coolant. Our
engine pan is coated with oil though, despite how well I cleaned it
last time. so it no guarantee that mix happened inside or outside the
engine….Anyway, I’m waiting for the engine to cool down, then I’m going to
pull out my Nigel Calder books and Google and start looking over
things. If anyone has any suggestions I’m all ears.I’ll update as a I learn more as I assume the other W58s out there are
interested in following along….Thanks,
-Patrick—
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
That was going to be my first question as well….
What is the history on the heat exchangers?
How is the water flow (check strainer and actual output from exhaust)?
When engine is cold. Check coolant level.
Good luck. We are all rooting for you.
Pete
On 3/22/2012 1:23 PM, Bill Emberley wrote:
Patrick,
What does the oil in the crankcase look like?
BillSent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Peaboy Walters wrote:
Today we were going to take a short trip up to Punta de Mita to do
some surfing, but with steady white smoke we decided to instead to
head in to the Marina here in La Cruz de Huanacaxtle.As we were motoring back slowly we ran at idle for a while and when I
revved the engine back up we started to go above our rock-steady 180F
engine temp we’re used to. Throttling back lowered the engine temp and
we made it into out slip.We’ve had no really trouble with out W58 to date, so I guess we’re
due. I suspect a coolant issue as we have some coolant in the small
catch before the bilge. I did, stupidly, open the engine cap a week
ago and spilled some coolant, but this looks to be more than that and
is has a bit of oil on the edges of the accumulated coolant. Our
engine pan is coated with oil though, despite how well I cleaned it
last time. so it no guarantee that mix happened inside or outside the
engine….Anyway, I’m waiting for the engine to cool down, then I’m going to
pull out my Nigel Calder books and Google and start looking over
things. If anyone has any suggestions I’m all ears.I’ll update as a I learn more as I assume the other W58s out there are
interested in following along….Thanks,
-Patrick—
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The history of the heat exchange is somewhat storied. When I took the
boat on the first test sale, 4+ years ago we overheated. They had the
heat Exchanger boiled and tested and it ran great ever since then.We had our normal amount of water in the exhaust. But I did check the
strainer today as well and we had some weeds in there, but not much.I’m rooting for me too. 😉
-p
On 3/22/12, Pete Dubler wrote:
That was going to be my first question as well….
What is the history on the heat exchangers?
How is the water flow (check strainer and actual output from exhaust)?
When engine is cold. Check coolant level.
Good luck. We are all rooting for you.
Pete
On 3/22/2012 1:23 PM, Bill Emberley wrote:
Patrick,
What does the oil in the crankcase look like?
BillSent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Peaboy Walters
wrote:< Apologies for any dupes I think this failed to go out last time I hit
send>Today we were going to take a short trip up to Punta de Mita to do
some surfing, but with steady white smoke we decided to instead to
head in to the Marina here in La Cruz de Huanacaxtle.As we were motoring back slowly we ran at idle for a while and when I
revved the engine back up we started to go above our rock-steady 180F
engine temp we’re used to. Throttling back lowered the engine temp and
we made it into out slip.We’ve had no really trouble with out W58 to date, so I guess we’re
due. I suspect a coolant issue as we have some coolant in the small
catch before the bilge. I did, stupidly, open the engine cap a week
ago and spilled some coolant, but this looks to be more than that and
is has a bit of oil on the edges of the accumulated coolant. Our
engine pan is coated with oil though, despite how well I cleaned it
last time. so it no guarantee that mix happened inside or outside the
engine….Anyway, I’m waiting for the engine to cool down, then I’m going to
pull out my Nigel Calder books and Google and start looking over
things. If anyone has any suggestions I’m all ears.I’ll update as a I learn more as I assume the other W58s out there are
interested in following along….Thanks,
-Patrick—
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
pull and inspect the heat exchanger before you go too far.
On 3/22/2012 1:47 PM, Peaboy Walters wrote:
The history of the heat exchange is somewhat storied. When I took the
boat on the first test sale, 4+ years ago we overheated. They had the
heat Exchanger boiled and tested and it ran great ever since then.We had our normal amount of water in the exhaust. But I did check the
strainer today as well and we had some weeds in there, but not much.I’m rooting for me too. 😉
-p
On 3/22/12, Pete Dubler wrote:
That was going to be my first question as well….
What is the history on the heat exchangers?
How is the water flow (check strainer and actual output from exhaust)?
When engine is cold. Check coolant level.
Good luck. We are all rooting for you.
Pete
On 3/22/2012 1:23 PM, Bill Emberley wrote:
Patrick,
What does the oil in the crankcase look like?
BillSent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Peaboy Walters
wrote:< Apologies for any dupes I think this failed to go out last time I hit
send>Today we were going to take a short trip up to Punta de Mita to do
some surfing, but with steady white smoke we decided to instead to
head in to the Marina here in La Cruz de Huanacaxtle.As we were motoring back slowly we ran at idle for a while and when I
revved the engine back up we started to go above our rock-steady 180F
engine temp we’re used to. Throttling back lowered the engine temp and
we made it into out slip.We’ve had no really trouble with out W58 to date, so I guess we’re
due. I suspect a coolant issue as we have some coolant in the small
catch before the bilge. I did, stupidly, open the engine cap a week
ago and spilled some coolant, but this looks to be more than that and
is has a bit of oil on the edges of the accumulated coolant. Our
engine pan is coated with oil though, despite how well I cleaned it
last time. so it no guarantee that mix happened inside or outside the
engine….Anyway, I’m waiting for the engine to cool down, then I’m going to
pull out my Nigel Calder books and Google and start looking over
things. If anyone has any suggestions I’m all ears.I’ll update as a I learn more as I assume the other W58s out there are
interested in following along….Thanks,
-Patrick—
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Did you open the coolant cap BEFORE all this over heating happened (when you split the fluid out) ? If so, you might just have a bubble in the system. Because of the tilt in the engine, on the W58, you can get a small bubble of air on the aft end of the coolant tank. This will cause it to over heat.
“when you hear hoofs, think horses, not zebras”
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Patrick,
More free advice.
I think if there was air in the coolant lines that would cause an overheat
at idle and out of gear. At least that was the result when I got air in
the lines of my W60. I had a similar problem to what you describe with my
W60 in the first year I owned Sarah. Cleaning the heat exchanger fixed the
problem, but since you did that only a few years ago, maybe that’s not the
problem. The problem does appear to be one of not being able move enough
heat out of the engine at other than low RPMS, so the exchanger certainly
would be the first thing I would check after sea water flow. Then maybe
the fresh water pump. If you lost a blade or a portion of one it also
might reduce the heat flow out of the engine.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Alan wrote:
Quote:Did you open the coolant cap BEFORE all this over heating happened (when
you split the fluid out) ? If so, you might just have a bubble in the
system. Because of the tilt in the engine, on the W58, you can get a small
bubble of air on the aft end of the coolant tank. This will cause it to
over heat.
“when you hear hoofs, think horses, not zebras”
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all good stuff.. thanks everyone, very helpful!
I pulled the starboard side of the heat exchanger, cleaned out the
inevitable zinc gunk, no impeller blades (good!), ran the same rod
through the heat exchanger tubes (gently!) that the broker did last
time… 😉 Seemed clear. Pulled the port side and there was a small
piece of weed in there, no zinc gunk.Good call on the air bubble idea, I will bleed the coolant system again too!
While I’m doing this Dawn is cleaning the outside of the boat. I think
I have the easier job for sure! She’s the best!-p
On 3/22/12, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:Patrick,
More free advice.
I think if there was air in the coolant lines that would cause an overheat
at idle and out of gear. At least that was the result when I got air in
the lines of my W60. I had a similar problem to what you describe with my
W60 in the first year I owned Sarah. Cleaning the heat exchanger fixed the
problem, but since you did that only a few years ago, maybe that’s not the
problem. The problem does appear to be one of not being able move enough
heat out of the engine at other than low RPMS, so the exchanger certainly
would be the first thing I would check after sea water flow. Then maybe
the fresh water pump. If you lost a blade or a portion of one it also
might reduce the heat flow out of the engine.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Alan wrote:
Quote:Did you open the coolant cap BEFORE all this over heating happened (when
you split the fluid out) ? If so, you might just have a bubble in the
system. Because of the tilt in the engine, on the W58, you can get a small
bubble of air on the aft end of the coolant tank. This will cause it to
over heat.
“when you hear hoofs, think horses, not zebras”
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
Aloha Patrick: I went through all of the overheating headache last year. What drove me crazy was the erratic nature of the problem. I completely rebuilt the fresh and raw cooling systems (new pumps, impeller, belts, gauge, sensor, cleaned heat exchanger, new hoses, etc.). I finally pulled the thermostat out and ran the engine without it to try to isolate the problem. This worked. I believe Jamestown Distributors sent me the wrong thermostat. Moral: erratic temps could be caused by the thermostat. It’s easy to check.
Bon Chance
Dan Kalinowski
Jolly Lama #135
Ko Olina, O’ahu -
This originally wasn’t a temperature problem it was a white smoke
issue even 45 minutes after starting the engine in 70F temperatures.
After going around for 20 minutes to put out fenders, etc., at about
1000RPM I picked it back up to 1400 and the engine temp went up over
180F and it NEVER does that.I topped up the coolant in the port side expansion tank, bled the
system (it had no air) and ran the engine in gear at the dock up to
about 1200RPMs which was all I was willing to try at the dock. I still
thought the water was a little anemic so I’m going to check the raw
water pump after the engine cools down again, but the white smoke was
gone. We’ll give this another run in the morning and see what happens
since that was our original scenario. Of course we also hadn’t had the
engine on for probably 2 weeks as well, but I can’t wait that long…Anyway, the dock time is letting us also do a washdown, top up the
batteries and do an equalization and tonight I’m going to clean the
carb in the outboard which I think is stuck open… Ain’t cruising
fun! 😉Thanks a lot everyone and I’ll keep you posted.
-PatrickOn 3/22/12, kalinowski wrote:
Aloha Patrick: I went through all of the overheating headache last year.
What drove me crazy was the erratic nature of the problem. I completely
rebuilt the fresh and raw cooling systems (new pumps, impeller, belts,
gauge, sensor, cleaned heat exchanger, new hoses, etc.). I finally pulled
the thermostat out and ran the engine without it to try to isolate the
problem. This worked. I believe Jamestown Distributors sent me the wrong
thermostat. Moral: erratic temps could be caused by the thermostat. It’s
easy to check.Bon Chance
Dan Kalinowski
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
Here’s what’s probably wrong if your impeller is ok:
Take the endcaps off the heat exchanger and remove the old impeller blades
that infamously lodge in them. Also – run a coat hanger or other stiff
wire through as many of the tubes you can. If you’ve been replacing zincs
as religiously as everyone else, there is gobs of zinc oxide pasted all
over the tubes. The engine won’t run hot until at least 50% of the tubes
are plugged.It only takes about 10-30 minutes to do the job.
Bob
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Peaboy Walters wrote:
This originally wasn’t a temperature problem it was a white smoke
issue even 45 minutes after starting the engine in 70F temperatures.
After going around for 20 minutes to put out fenders, etc., at about
1000RPM I picked it back up to 1400 and the engine temp went up over
180F and it NEVER does that.I topped up the coolant in the port side expansion tank, bled the
system (it had no air) and ran the engine in gear at the dock up to
about 1200RPMs which was all I was willing to try at the dock. I still
thought the water was a little anemic so I’m going to check the raw
water pump after the engine cools down again, but the white smoke was
gone. We’ll give this another run in the morning and see what happens
since that was our original scenario. Of course we also hadn’t had the
engine on for probably 2 weeks as well, but I can’t wait that long…Anyway, the dock time is letting us also do a washdown, top up the
batteries and do an equalization and tonight I’m going to clean the
carb in the outboard which I think is stuck open… Ain’t cruising
fun! 😉Thanks a lot everyone and I’ll keep you posted.
-PatrickOn 3/22/12, kalinowski wrote:
Aloha Patrick: I went through all of the overheating headache last year.
What drove me crazy was the erratic nature of the problem. I completely
rebuilt the fresh and raw cooling systems (new pumps, impeller, belts,
gauge, sensor, cleaned heat exchanger, new hoses, etc.). I finallypulled
the thermostat out and ran the engine without it to try to isolate the
problem. This worked. I believe Jamestown Distributors sent me thewrong
thermostat. Moral: erratic temps could be caused by the thermostat.
It’s
easy to check.
Bon Chance
Dan Kalinowski
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Hi Patrick-
Another thing you might try is to take the cap off the coolant overflow tank then start up the engine and look for bubbles in the coolant. The white smoke is probably water or coolant leaking into the exhaust. If the white amoke stops, then engine pressure is holding it back. If exhaust gas is getting into the coolant (bubbles) you might have a head gasket problem.See if you can get your hands on one of those IR thermometers that look a little like a gun and read the temperature of whatever you point at. Take the temperature at various spots on your engine, especially around the thermostat housing and exhaust manifold. Could be a gummed up thermostat or circulation pump.
No water in the oil is a very good sign.
Quent
Clairebuoyant, #132 -
Well, I just finished pulling the impeller. It looked fine but I
replaced it anyway hoping to not have to do it summer. Tomorrow I’m
going to put on a new raw water and alternator belt then we’ll fire it
up again.My guess is one or all of these things fixed (or masked) what ever it
was… which is fine with me. 🙂Thanks again for all the help!
-=PatrickOn 3/22/12, quent wrote:
Hi Patrick-
Another thing you might try is to take the cap off the coolant overflow tank
then start up the engine and look for bubbles in the coolant. The white
smoke is probably water or coolant leaking into the exhaust. If the white
amoke stops, then engine pressure is holding it back. If exhaust gas is
getting into the coolant (bubbles) you might have a head gasket problem.See if you can get your hands on one of those IR thermometers that look a
little like a gun and read the temperature of whatever you point at. Take
the temperature at various spots on your engine, especially around the
thermostat housing and exhaust manifold. Could be a gummed up thermostat or
circulation pump.No water in the oil is a very good sign.
Quent
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
Bob is wise. His counsel is good. (not that everyone else isnt helpful, but still). Sounds like your heat exchanger is probably mung. Consequently you may have boiled off some coolant from the reservoir or from somewhere in the system unused to that high temp. Was the change in exhaust sudden or has your exhaust been gradually graying, wife-like?
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Patrick
One could assume that the problem is either on the seawater side or the freshwater side of your cooling system. Have you noticed good flow out of your exhaust system when running? With my old W60 engine, I could tell if I had blockage just by listening to the sound of the exhaust. The white smoke is probably steam. This sounds like a problem with the raw water side. I assume you’ve cleaned your raw-water strainer.With the engine running hot, try dumping some hot water in the sink. If the engine temperature drops slightly, its your seawater cooling. You’ll probably find steam and hot water venting from your water heater into the bilge too.
Assuming that its your seawater flow, its a matter of finding the blockage. It could be anywhere in your seawater lines. It could be seaweed blocking the through-hull or corrosion in your V-drive cooling jacket or the water injection elbow. It might even be a water pump vane that broke off and is lodged in a hose. Start pulling hoses and work your way back to the seawater pump to see where the flow stops.
I wouldn’t bother to pull the thermostat. If you have to open the thing, just replace it. Bring the old one to an auto-parts store and have them match it.
Hope this helps
Regards
Rich
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Hi Patrick,
To echo on the seawater side of cooling system. I ve had this couple time and each time it has been marine growth inside the raw water intake thru hull. Easy test is to pull the hose or open strainer, then open seacock an see if water tricles or floods in..darm barnacles and musseles here in Maine.
Eric Lorentzon
EFI Sales Development Manager
412.352.1941Sent from my iPad
On Mar 23, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Peaboy Walters wrote:
Well, I just finished pulling the impeller. It looked fine but I
replaced it anyway hoping to not have to do it summer. Tomorrow I’m
going to put on a new raw water and alternator belt then we’ll fire it
up again.My guess is one or all of these things fixed (or masked) what ever it
was… which is fine with me. 🙂Thanks again for all the help!
-=PatrickOn 3/22/12, quent wrote:
Hi Patrick-
Another thing you might try is to take the cap off the coolant overflow tank
then start up the engine and look for bubbles in the coolant. The white
smoke is probably water or coolant leaking into the exhaust. If the white
amoke stops, then engine pressure is holding it back. If exhaust gas is
getting into the coolant (bubbles) you might have a head gasket problem.See if you can get your hands on one of those IR thermometers that look a
little like a gun and read the temperature of whatever you point at. Take
the temperature at various spots on your engine, especially around the
thermostat housing and exhaust manifold. Could be a gummed up thermostat or
circulation pump.No water in the oil is a very good sign.
Quent
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Hi Patrick,
I had a similar problem on the seawater side. Dive over the side and check the trough hull. You could have a clog in your seawater flow that would give all sorts of head aches. Remember, you went from the cold Northwest to the warm climes of Mexico. Anything could have grown in that line…Start at the seacock. Mine was all gunked up.
Good Luck!
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This morning I used a brush on the raw water intake, which had some
weedy looking growth on it. We then took a 3 hour motor up to Punta de
Mita. No smoke. Strong exhaust water flow. Very happy people onboard!!Thanks for all the tips and suggestions. Should have started with the
easy stuff. Now I have some of my ongoing maintenance items I guess
that is a good thing too!-Patrick
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On Mar 25, 2012, at 14:10, Chuck Ruble wrote:
Patrick, get it fixed?
Chuck
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Occom’s Razor and Murphys Law are two things one can rest assured will typically apply.
Glad you are running well.Eric Lorentzon
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This morning I used a brush on the raw water intake, which had some
weedy looking growth on it. We then took a 3 hour motor up to Punta de
Mita. No smoke. Strong exhaust water flow. Very happy people onboard!!Thanks for all the tips and suggestions. Should have started with the
easy stuff. Now I have some of my ongoing maintenance items I guess
that is a good thing too!-Patrick
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On Mar 25, 2012, at 14:10, Chuck Ruble wrote:
Patrick, get it fixed?
Chuck
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Happy Sailing Patrick. We will catch up with you on the west coast after I live through a re-power. Our old 58 blew her head gasket.
Oh well, guess that’s why we named her Running Tab.
-BillSent from my iPhone
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Quote:unless your in a zoo….. when you hear hoofs…. think horses…. not zebras— On Sun, 3/25/12, Navasana wrote:
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HA!
Yeah, I am always on pins and needles with our W58. I bought a
generator just to limit the hours we put on the engine. Not to mention
it is soo much quieter. Highly recommend the Honda EU20i or EU2000i.I keep seeing all these P424’s getting together on the East Coast,
maybe we should head that way some time!
There is one other P424 Scott Gesdahl on Sojourn is in La Paz still I
think. Hopefully we’ll see him when we head back into the sea.-patrick
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Quote:Happy Sailing Patrick. We will catch up with you on the west coast after I live through a re-power. Our old 58 blew her head gasket.
Oh well, guess that’s why we named her Running Tab.
-BillSent from my iPhone
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That might happen if this surfing thing we’re trying sticks. 😉
-p
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On Mar 26, 2012, at 15:26, “kalinowski” wrote:
Perhaps you should all head west. There are only 2 424’s in Hawai’i; the one in a landfill on Maui and mine. There is a 422 here somewhere.
Dan Kalinowski
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The popular 42 footer is the Catalina but when I dock my 424 at the yacht club it gets all the looks. Been saving money in the squirrel fund for a new iron genny. I think I am going big with a Beta 60. There is a dealer here in the Bay Area and they can do all the work in the water.  What sold me on it was the placement of key serviceable components. Anyone out their had any Beta Marine experiences?Â
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I went with the Beta 50. See articles at dublerfamily.com
On 3/27/2012 8:40 AM, Bill Emberley wrote:
Quote:The popular 42 footer is the Catalina but when I dock my 424 at the yacht club it gets all the looks. Been saving money in the squirrel fund for a new iron genny. I think I am going big with a Beta 60. There is a dealer here in the Bay Area and they can do all the work in the water. What sold me on it was the placement of key serviceable components. Anyone out their had any Beta Marine experiences?Bill Emberley
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Pearsons in general and 424s in particular, have an exceptional reputation amongst sailors. Knowledgeable sailors (well they they sound knowledgeable) universally describe Pearsons as being a very well built excellent sailing vessel.
Kinda makes ya feel good.
Lee
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Catalina makes a nice roomy modern 42. Half a dozen of my friends have them. One sailed the Trans Pac and two days into the return voyage the rudder. The steering post snapped and it fell off. They had to heave to for 2 days before a tow could reach them. A few years back a guy took an offshore delivery of a Hunter 42 and the keel fell off on the way back and it sank to the bottom.
Never would imagine one of our 424s having this happen. I chose mine for structural integrity first. These plastic fantastic coastal cruisers with all the gadgets hanging off them are nice and comfy but when it gets nasty is when you want to trust your boat. I trust mine. The flip side is there is some knucklehead paddling across the Atlantic in a canoe so go figure.Be safe my friends,
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FYI
There was a boat that sunk last weekend sailing from Georgetown to Blackpoint in the Exumas.
The only thing we know is that the people were rescued and safely brought to shore.
 It was Whitby 42
 It hit something – not a reef
 Went down in 30 minutes
 and that boat is also built to last…………..
Alan— On Tue, 3/27/12, Bill Emberley wrote:
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The 424 in the Maui landfill managed to get washed up on the rocks in last year’s tsunami. The same tsunami destroyed two marinas (mine included, although I was hauled) and sank several yachts in the lagoon.
My boat survived hurricane Iniki a few decades ago with 7 anchors warped. She was anchored off Kaua’i. The PO’s stayed aboard and kept a running log. His writing became larger and mor illegible as the hours dragged on. Great reading!
Dan Kalinowski
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My 424 broke free from here mooring back in 1982 and washed up on the rocks at the head of Marblehead harbor; bad chain. Her keel was ripped off and she sank on the beach. She was salvaged by a local boatyard and restored. I bought her in 1986 and have owned her since. There are some minor cosmetic issues but she has proven to be a solid boat. It is possible to restore one of these boats even with catastrophic damage. The hull value of these old girls doesn’t justify the kind of repair that was done on my boat when she was almost new however.
Rich
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I just had the same white smoke problem and checked the raw water impeller-only two blades left!! I changed the impeller and the found a bunch of pieces in the inlet to the engine heat exchanger. I also found some sludge in the expansion tank and flushed the internal cooling sysetm out and replaced all the old coolant-problem solved!! Jim Roberts
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