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If you fall off the boat, you’re a dead man…
Treading water in the middle of nowhere and watching your boat sail away
without you has got to be one of the lousier ways to go. So remember, most
guys lost overboard whose bodies are later recovered have their flies open.Tor
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Standing orders aboard s/v Regina Oceani:
1: while on watch, don’t run into anything
2: no peeing over the side
3: all crew shall sit while using the head
4: orders 2 & 3 go double for females on board
5: it is always ok to awaken the skipper if you have any doubts or concerns
6: there will be no cooking of bacon Spaniard (one smell that definitely makes me sea sick)
7: all crew shall wear pfd/harness when going forward after dark (and most other times while underway)Sent from my Android smartphone with a spell checker that is programmed to entertain you.
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With the exception of #6, I am sure we all have similar rules.
Being a singlehander I know I have occasional bent my own rules. No one around…. Whose gonna know…
Just saying…I guess it just takes once!
AlanSent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2013, at 9:33 PM, pete wrote:
Quote:Standing orders aboard s/v Regina Oceani:
1: while on watch, don’t run into anything
2: no peeing over the side
3: all crew shall sit while using the head
4: orders 2 & 3 go double for females on board
5: it is always ok to awaken the skipper if you have any doubts or concerns
6: there will be no cooking of bacon Spaniard (one smell that definitely makes me sea sick)
7: all crew shall wear pfd/harness when going forward after dark (and most other times while underway)Sent from my Android smartphone with a spell checker that is programmed to entertain you.
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What’s bacon Spaniard? If I knew I might add it to my rules which are
essentially the same as Regina Oceani’s. And you guys laughed when I first
mentioned the sitting to use the head rule. What’s up with that?On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
With the exception of #6, I am sure we all have similar rules.
Being a singlehander I know I have occasional bent my own rules. No one
around…. Whose gonna know…
Just saying…I guess it just takes once!
AlanSent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2013, at 9:33 PM, pete wrote:
Standing orders aboard s/v Regina Oceani:
1: while on watch, don’t run into anything
2: no peeing over the side
3: all crew shall sit while using the head
4: orders 2 & 3 go double for females on board
5: it is always ok to awaken the skipper if you have any doubts orconcerns
6: there will be no cooking of bacon Spaniard (one smell that definitely
makes me sea sick)
7: all crew shall wear pfd/harness when going forward after dark (and
most other times while underway)
Sent from my Android smartphone with a spell checker that is programmed
to entertain you.
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Ah. Bacon is a must aboard Pelican.
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I’m not being terse. This is from my mobile.
On Jul 17, 2013 10:53 PM, “pete” wrote:Quote:Darn spell checker… Spaniard = aboard…. falling in the head and
busting you head is as bad as peeing all around the headSent from my Android smartphone with a spell checker that is programmed to
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Pete,
I only employ the first of your rules, with an additional caveat: If you do hit something, be going very, very slowly. (This mainly applies to docking maneuvers.)
Well, yes, #5, too.
I’m afraid I am one of the less safety-conscious skippers out here. I only wear my harness in extreme weather. Oh, well, it’s my choice and my butt. I do instruct new crew on most of the safety rules that I don’t follow, and urge them to do as I say, not as I do. I even supply them with ship’s safety harnesses and headlamps. But I also tell them what I tell myself. You’re an adult. You now know what the dangers and precautions are. How careful you choose to be is your call and your responsibility. To pee or not to pee, that is your question to answer. After that, I only admonish someone if I see them doing or about to do something dangerous. I guess I’m the Power Squadron’s worst nightmare. Amazing I’m still here at all.
Tor
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Tor,
I’m pretty much in your camp. We participate in an inherently dangerous
sport. That’s OK when it is just those of us who accept those risks
onboard. The last thing I want is for someone else (e.g., USCG personnel)
to risk their lives because I got in over my head.
I do have a number of rescue tools onboard (Raymarine Lifetag, EPIRB and
DSC radio). Those are intended to protect crew members who may have not
signed onto my level of personal responsibility. My greatest fear is to
survive a disaster only have to tell someone I lost their loved one.
I also hope I accept my professed level of risk when it is just me that is
in trouble.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM, pete wrote:
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Well, then, there you have one more good reason for single-handing. You never have to go back to pick up MOB’s.
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John,
You raise several (to me) interesting issues, especially since I’m sitting
here waiting for the pasta to get done cooking. One, is sailing a sport? I
suppose that’s a matter of semantics and inclination. I don’t race. For me
sailing is a lifestyle, not a sport. Second, is it dangerous? Statistically
less so than driving a car on a freeway, or so I’ve heard. I suppose it’s a
calculated risk, but I don’t see it a inherently dangerous – unless you do
it dangerously.Next, I feel entitled to call on the USCG to help me if I really need their
help, even at the risk of their lives. I’m an American tax payer. I have
paid for that government service all my working life and (knock on wood) so
far never used it directly. As adults joining the Coast Guard, they have
accepted the risks of their profession. Everybody is grown up and accepting
responsibility for their actions. IMHO, that’s a good thing.And if a crewmember falls overboard and after exhausting your best efforts
you cannot save them and have to notify their family, should you feel that
you “lost their loved one?” Or did the loved one screw up, maybe chose to
participate in something beyond their abilities, or do something dangerous,
or just get unlucky? Call me calloused, but I think we are all responsible
for what we do, not for what other people do.And lastly, what’s a DSC radio?
Ah, the pasta’s done.
Tor
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Tor,
I accept your use of Lifestyle choice instead of sport. I think that puts
it more into focus as personal choice for which we are each responsible.
I agree, in general, sailing is nor more dangerous than driving an
automobile. However, single-handing is inherently dangerous as you must
rely on the fates when sleeping underway. I have a problem expecting some
one to rescue me when the fates put me in avoidable danger. I have no
problem with those who expect to be saved when they voluntarily put
themselves in danger, it’s just not me (or at least I hope not). The fact
that USCG personnel may voluntarily put themselves at risk, and maybe even
enjoy that risk, is of no importance to me.
A DSC radio is your VHF (if it’s less than 20 years old).Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:John,You raise several (to me) interesting issues, especially since I’m sitting
here waiting for the pasta to get done cooking. One, is sailing a sport? I
suppose that’s a matter of semantics and inclination. I don’t race. For me
sailing is a lifestyle, not a sport. Second, is it dangerous? Statistically
less so than driving a car on a freeway, or so I’ve heard. I suppose it’s a
calculated risk, but I don’t see it a inherently dangerous – unless you do
it dangerously.Next, I feel entitled to call on the USCG to help me if I really need their
help, even at the risk of their lives. I’m an American tax payer. I have
paid for that government service all my working life and (knock on wood) so
far never used it directly. As adults joining the Coast Guard, they have
accepted the risks of their profession. Everybody is grown up and accepting
responsibility for their actions. IMHO, that’s a good thing.And if a crewmember falls overboard and after exhausting your best efforts
you cannot save them and have to notify their family, should you feel that
you “lost their loved one?” Or did the loved one screw up, maybe chose to
participate in something beyond their abilities, or do something dangerous,
or just get unlucky? Call me calloused, but I think we are all responsible
for what we do, not for what other people do.And lastly, what’s a DSC radio?
Ah, the pasta’s done.
Tor
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Hey John,
You’re an experienced sailor and your opinions are valid. Still, if The
Fates ever put you in mortal danger, avoidable or otherwise, I hope you will
get past your problem of seeking help. We’d miss you.Single-handing is what it is, neither overly dangerous nor overly safe – in
my case, so far, so good – but it’s not for everyone, not for you from what
you say. That’s OK. Still, to infer that it’s irresponsible – that one just
casts one’s fate to the wind – is an image based on imagination, not
experience. When I sleep offshore, I do not rely solely on The Fates. I may
be crazy, but I’m not a fool. (Or is it the other way around?) I rely on
others to keep an eye out, human and electronic, on my own frequent
look-arounds, and on my own 6th sense, which has saved my butt more than
once. I do everything possible to ensure that I and others in that part of
the ocean wake up dry. When I sleep in port or on shore, it’s much the same.
We do the best we can with what we’ve got. And when the doodoo hits the fan,
I don’t rely anyone but myself. Never have. If someone chooses to assist me,
I thank them. I’d do the same for them, or you, when I can. If no one
assists, well, I’m a grown-up and I got myself here and it’s my dilemma. And
the fact that USCG personnel may voluntarily put themselves at risk, and
maybe even enjoy that risk (as you say), IS important. To them, to me, to
all of us. IMHO.I’ll look up DSC, since I recently got a new VHF. That may be important,
too.Thanks,
Tor
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BTW, when I’m single-handing offshore and have to sleep, I use radar with an
amplified perimeter alarm and (more recently) send/receive AIS to keep an
eye out for me and to warn others of my presence. In my experience, those
gadgets can be more reliable than sleepy crew members on watch. Either way,
we’re all casting our fates out there to some extent. Maybe that’s why we
go.Tor
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Three things:
First, this is a dialogue only among survivors. As such, it is probably not representative of all offshore experience.
Second, we are all creatures of habit. If you have the bad habit of short cutting safety considerations under good conditions, the time will come when you do it under difficult conditions because you reacted and didn’t think. I’ve seen guys take incredible and unnecessary risks to save a kayak or reef a sail because they went out there without thinking.
Finally, bacon will kill you. It just takes longer.
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