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Beginning Friday at about 4 PM or so…there will be a P424 Ketch on a mooring 100 yards directly West of the South Pier of East Hampton Point, the second major marina on the left as you mosey along South to Red Nun 24. It will be flying a barrage of signal flags. That’ll be me, WAVEMAKER. After you pass red nun 24 and enter the mooring channel (Marked by new buoys) to the West and in to the mooring field, turn North to get back towards WAVEMAKER. I’ll answer any questions before you anchor, point out all the POI’s and provide liquid refreshment and idle conversation to anyone who cares to dally. I recommend anchoring and rafting north of my position. ALL ARE WELCOME for refreshment before dinner. If the flags are up I am afloat and aboard.
IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER
1. DON’T TURN WEST UNTIL NUN 24 and then into the new mooring channel marked by a green and a red marker. Otherwise you’ll be spending too much time with Sea Tow instead of us.
2. Don’t go too close to the North end of the Harbor – less than 80 yards or so – because the bottom gets shallow.
3. Use plenty of scope. Itinerant captains have been known to successfully anchor in absentia for over a week or so, sans hurricanes.
4. WE have active, unpleasant and unprofessional in my humble opinion, Marine Police. Last weekend they dispensed over 200 summonses during the Bastille Day fireworks. IF YOU DINGHY, FOLLOW THESE RULES OR YOU WILL GET A TICKET REQUIRING A PERSONAL APPEARANCE.
Keep speed under 5 knots – all vessels all times – in 3 Mile Harbor
Every person must have a PFD Type 1,2 or 3 available, and kids under 15 must have it ON incl. a dinghy. I suggest all occupants put one on so you won’t get stopped.
If you dinghy at night, you must have a position light in addition to PFD’s. You can buy one at West Marine that works with two C batteries and has a suction cup for your outboard top.TRUST ME ON THIS. I have several citations to prove it.
Remember, I am a lawyer, if you get cited, get in touch with me. They often screw it up.
DON’T SAY A WORD or they will make your life miserable. I know of a case where after informing a boater he was getting a warning, when they asked for the names of all the officers involved, since they were so disrespectful and unpleasant, the officer changed the warning to a summons. They have nothing else to do in East Hampton except make life miserable for us tourists.WAVEMAKER
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Hi Thatcher,
Thank you so much for the info! How are they about boarding yachts? Is that typically an issue?
Bob
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Thatcher Stone < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Beginning Friday at about 4 PM or so…there will be a P424 Ketch on a mooring 100 yards directly West of the South Pier of East Hampton Point, the second major marina on the left as you mosey along South to Red Nun 24. It will be flying a barrage of signal flags. That’ll be me, WAVEMAKER. After you pass red nun 24 and enter the mooring channel (Marked by new buoys) to the West and in to the mooring field, turn North to get back towards WAVEMAKER. I’ll answer any questions before you anchor, point out all the POI’s and provide liquid refreshment and idle conversation to anyone who cares to dally. I recommend anchoring and rafting north of my position. ALL ARE WELCOME for refreshment before dinner. If the flags are up I am afloat and aboard.
IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER
1. DON’T TURN WEST UNTIL NUN 24 and then into the new mooring channel marked by a green and a red marker. Otherwise you’ll be spending too much time with Sea Tow instead of us.
2. Don’t go too close to the North end of the Harbor – less than 80 yards or so – because the bottom gets shallow.
3. Use plenty of scope. Itinerant captains have been known to successfully anchor in absentia for over a week or so, sans hurricanes.
4. WE have active, unpleasant and unprofessional in my humble opinion, Marine Police. Last weekend they dispensed over 200 summonses during the Bastille Day fireworks. IF YOU DINGHY, FOLLOW THESE RULES OR YOU WILL GET A TICKET REQUIRING A PERSONAL APPEARANCE.
Keep speed under 5 knots – all vessels all times – in 3 Mile Harbor
Every person must have a PFD Type 1,2 or 3 available, and kids under 15 must have it ON incl. a dinghy. I suggest all occupants put one on so you won’t get stopped.
If you dinghy at night, you must have a position light in addition to PFD’s. You can buy one at West Marine that works with two C batteries and has a suction cup for your outboard top.TRUST ME ON THIS. I have several citations to prove it.
Remember, I am a lawyer, if you get cited, get in touch with me. They often screw it up.
DON’T SAY A WORD or they will make your life miserable. I know of a case where after informing a boater he was getting a warning, when they asked for the names of all the officers involved, since they were so disrespectful and unpleasant, the officer changed the warning to a summons. They have nothing else to do in East Hampton except make life miserable for us tourists.WAVEMAKER
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Why, do you have some something to worry about?
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— Robert Fine <> wrote:Hi Thatcher,
Thank you so much for the info! How are they about
boarding yachts? Is
that typically an issue?Bob
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Thatcher Stone
<> wrote:Beginning Friday at about 4 PM or so…there will
be a P424 Ketch on a
mooring 100 yards directly West of the South Pier
of East Hampton Point, the
second major marina on the left as you mosey along
South to Red Nun 24. It
will be flying a barrage of signal flags. That’ll
be me, WAVEMAKER. After
you pass red nun 24 and enter the mooring channel
(Marked by new buoys) to
the West and in to the mooring field, turn North
to get back towards
WAVEMAKER. I’ll answer any questions before you
anchor, point out all the
POI’s and provide liquid refreshment and idle
conversation to anyone who
cares to dally. I recommend anchoring and rafting
north of my position. ALL
ARE WELCOME for refreshment before dinner. If the
flags are up I am afloat
and aboard.
IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER
1. DON’T TURN WEST UNTIL NUN 24 and then
into the new mooring
channel marked by a green and a red marker.
Otherwise you’ll be spending
too much time with Sea Tow instead of us.
2. Don’t go too close to the North end of
the Harbor – less than 80
yards or so – because the bottom gets shallow.
3. Use plenty of scope. Itinerant captains
have been known to
successfully anchor in absentia for over a week or
so, sans hurricanes.
4. WE have active, unpleasant and
unprofessional in my humble
opinion, Marine Police. Last weekend they
dispensed over 200 summonses
during the Bastille Day fireworks. IF YOU DINGHY,
FOLLOW THESE RULES OR YOU
WILL GET A TICKET REQUIRING A PERSONAL APPEARANCE.
Keep speed under 5 knots – all vessels all times –
in 3 Mile Harbor
Every person must have a PFD Type 1,2 or 3
available, and kids under 15
must have it ON incl. a dinghy. I suggest all
occupants put one on so you
won’t get stopped.
If you dinghy at night, you must have a position
light in addition to
PFD’s. You can buy one at West Marine that works
with two C batteries and
has a suction cup for your outboard top.
TRUST ME ON THIS. I have several citations to
prove it.
Remember, I am a lawyer, if you get cited, get in
touch with me. They often
screw it up.
DON’T SAY A WORD or they will make your life
miserable. I know of a case
where after informing a boater he was getting a
warning, when they asked for
the names of all the officers involved, since they
were so disrespectful and
unpleasant, the officer changed the warning to a
summons. They have nothing
else to do in East Hampton except make life
miserable for us tourists.
WAVEMAKER
—
Bob Fine
Fine Software LLC
Your data on the web your way. No kidding
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A follow up after a weekend on the water.
The mooring field entrance buoys have been removed. I assume they were there for Bastille Day only. You can turn WEST anytime after buoy 22, as Rodd had remarked earlier. Apologies for any confusion.
The current forecast is for lovely weather.
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Robert
I am not personally aware of the Suffolk County, East Hampton, or NY ECO marine police boarding yachts in East Hampton except in the obvious cases of reckless maneuvering, public drunkenness, or failure to respond. If they hail you for a good reason or not, pay attention. Normally if you are violating the rules on PDF’s or lights they will ask you to come alongside and then issue the summons or warning. If they ask for permission to come aboard without having stopped you for one of these items, something I have not heard of, then a boarding by the police (as opposed to the Coasties) is probably not warranted, so ask if they have a warrant. Unless you are willing to be inspected and cited, don’t give permission to board. That’s my opinion. I am not a criminal law expert but I think probable cause has been replaced by reasonable suspicion, as the basis legitimating a stop and search. If it were Block Island, I’d say, let the Harbor Master aboard any time. He and his entire crew love people and are interested in everybody being safe and having a good time. And they get tremendous pressure from the numbers of visitors over there. But all the marine police in East Hampton seem to have an attitude and it isn’t nice. I am not alone in this view, either. They need a course in CPR, courtesy, professionalism and respect. Like NYC instituted a few years ago. Again my opinion.
To sum up I don’t think you have to worry about a boarding. Make sure your type four PDF’s are visible on a rail, your running lights work, stay sober, safe and follow the speed limit and they should leave you alone. OTOH, I believe the law is that the Coasties can come aboard any time they want. I have only seen one Coast Guard vessel outside three mile harbor once and they were repairing an aid to navigation.
My point in calling attention to this is East Hampton is the ONLY place I have ever been, from New Brunswick to Los Roques in Venezuela, where the frequency and level of police oversight is both unusually high and unpleasant.
But don’t let all this spoil all of us having a good time!
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