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    • #68109
      Anonymous

      To those Pearson 424 persons interested,

      This response is from Windsong, a Pearson 422 which has the same anchor
      locker as all the Pearson 424’s have. I have 275 feet of chain and a Manson
      60 pound anchor on the bow platform. I also have a 35 pound CQR attached to
      22 feet of chain and a 300 foot, 5/8 inch line. Also on the bow platform at
      the ready. The anchor bow platform has additional angled supports to just
      above the water line. Ahead of the anchor locker, where Pearson placed it,
      I have a LaFrance project 1000 windlass with a chain gypsy and a capstan. I
      use the 60 # Manson almost exclusively when anchoring and rarely use the
      second anchor. Most often, in New England waters, and up and down the ICW,
      we rarely needed more than 100 feet of chain. The solution to what to do
      with the extra 175 feet of chain was the problem, as there was simply no
      room in the anchor locker for it. So, I went to Home Depot and got some 4
      inch white PVC pipe and appropriate fittings for the two Rhodes. The chain
      rode I led straight down through space forward of the V berth, in the 4”
      pipe, so that the chain, all 175’ of it, now resides flaked underneath the V
      berth, ahead of the bow thruster tube. I put a piece of ½” starboard in the
      bottom of the space ahead of the V berth, shaped to the hull, and drilled a
      hole to accommodate the pipe, as well as in the bottom of the anchor well
      shelf, so that the pipe could extend up to ~3” into the chain locker in the
      bow. I can now pull up any amount of chain length I need, if I need more
      than 100’. I have both foot switches on the bow and a toggle switch at the
      helm, for ease of operation of the windlass. The extra CQR anchor rode is
      also led via a 4” pipe to the space just ahead of the V berth where it is
      flaked around the pipe and in that space behind the removable hatch way to
      what should have been an anchor locker. Having both Rhodes out of the way
      leaves a lot of extra space in the bow anchor locker for two bungi cord
      chain hooks of different designs (and lengths) and the electrical cord for
      shore side power. I will gladly send pictures of the actual locker and star
      board shelf, etc., to those interested. Send your e-mail and I will
      respond. I like this solution as it does not necessitate running the chain
      over the locker hatch door but drops the 100’ of chain into the lowest part
      of the anchor locker shelf where it is easily accommodated without piling
      up.

      All the best,

      Brad Moynahan

      S/V Windsong

      Block Island, RI

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    • #75881
      kalinowski
      Participant

      Reworking the anchoring system on Lady Leanne has been on my “to do” list for a while as I have had other more salient issues to deal with. Up until now, we have been sailing her from the dock in Ke’ehi Lagoon as we became familiar with the boat and Hawaiian waters. We are now at the point where we plan to cruise to Molokai’i and Maui this winter and anchoring has become a priority. Patrick’s timely inquiry and the subsequent discussion have now motivated me to “get into” this now.

      Lady Leanne has an anchor platform and 2 rollers for the Danforth and plow on board. Most people here cruise with 2 plows or CQRs. Your chain/line mixes and lengths sound appropriate to me and I would like to view your pictures so I can understand how best to stow them. Please email me at: dan.kalinowski@comcast.net

      Dan Kalinowski
      Lady Leanne II (#135)
      Honolulu

    • #81063
      Discoverie
      Participant

      If those pictures of the anchor locker work are available, I could make use of them. Started a similar project assuming there was drainage into the bilge under the forward water tank and was surprised to find that there was none.

    • #81064
      Tor
      Participant

      Discoverie,

      Never hurts to say please. You may find those photos at
      pearson424.org. If not, you may ask me for them.

      In my boat there was drainage into the bilge as you
      describe. Pretty dumb idea, huh. When I rebuilt
      Silverheels’ chain locker I sealed that drain closed
      and drilled port & starboard holes so water in that
      locker drains overboard. Way better.

      Tor


      Silverheels, P-424 #17
      http://www.silverheels.us


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    • #81065
      Tor
      Participant

      Delete that “please” part. Rough morning here and the
      captain’s grumpy. Let me know if you can’t find those
      photos in the archive.

      Tor

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    • #81066
      patn
      Moderator

      I’ve resurrected the photo gallery link on the pearson website. All the
      pictures should be there.
      https://www.pearson424.org/gallery

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    • #81067
      Tor
      Participant

      Hi Pat,

      I’m sure I’m doing it wrong, but I don’t see
      Silverheels’ chain locker / foredeck rebuild photos
      there.

      Tor


      Silverheels, P-424 #17
      http://www.silverheels.us


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    • #81068
      patn
      Moderator

      You’re doing fine.. you sent the pictures in email. I’ve now added
      them to the photo gallery
      https://www.pearson424.org/gallery/index.php/Windlass-Installations/Silverheels-17-Installation

      are there more? could the writeup be better?

      – p

      Silverheels wrote, On 6/9/14, 7:25 AM:

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      Hi Pat,

      I’m sure I’m doing it wrong, but I don’t see
      Silverheels’ chain locker / foredeck rebuild photos
      there.

      Tor


      Silverheels, P-424 #17
      http://www.silverheels.us


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    • #81121
      Tor
      Participant

      Pat,

      I could write a great deal more about that project – it
      was a major undertaking for me – but the photos say
      most of it. Here (attached) is most of what I have. The
      numerical order is not quite chronological, but the
      photos illustrate the basic idea. Many in between steps
      are missing. Also missing is a shot of the drain holes,
      which were drilled port & starboard at the bottom of
      the locker, angled slightly down and aft. They function
      perfectly and to my knowledge no seawater ever backs
      into them.

      Tor


      Silverheels, P-424 #17
      http://www.silverheels.us


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    • #81069
      john stevenson
      Participant

      I finally installed an electric windlass on Sarah last summer. I had
      planned to follow Tor’s (and other’s) approach to cut out and cover the on
      deck locker. i elected to retain the locker (for now). After one winter
      anchored in the Bahamas that part of my installation worked reasonably
      well, but I can certainly see the advantages of the more radical approach
      used by Tor and others.

      Below is a link to my analysis the Pros and Cons of retaining the on deck
      locker.
      http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewQuickWindlass.html#On_Retaining_the_On_Deck_Anchor_Locker

      Regards,
      John Stevenson
      http://www.svsarah.com
      Sarah’s Blog

      On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Silverheels wrote:

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      Pat,

      I could write a great deal more about that project – it
      was a major undertaking for me – but the photos say
      most of it. Here (attached) is most of what I have. The
      numerical order is not quite chronological, but the
      photos illustrate the basic idea. Many in between steps
      are missing. Also missing is a shot of the drain holes,
      which were drilled port & starboard at the bottom of
      the locker, angled slightly down and aft. They function
      perfectly and to my knowledge no seawater ever backs
      into them.

      Tor


      Silverheels, P-424 #17
      http://www.silverheels.us


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    • #81070
      Tor
      Participant

      If I were doing it again I would install a horizontal
      windlass instead of the vertical I have, simply to make
      handling the 2nd bow anchor easier. In practice I don’t
      set the 2nd anchor all that often, although perhaps I
      would do so more frequently if it were as easy as the
      #1 hook. I have, however, devised a pretty good and I
      believe quite original system for deploying and
      retrieving the 2nd bow anchor with the vertical
      windlass.

      John, I expect know about my anti-pyramid stick for the
      chain locker. I’m sure I shared it with the group and
      in fact it was in the February issue of SAIL as a
      Cruising Tip.

      Tor


      Silverheels, P-424 #17
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    • #81071
      john stevenson
      Participant

      “JJohn, I expect know about my anti-pyramid stick for the
      chain locker. I’m sure I shared it with the group and
      in fact it was in the February issue of SAIL as a
      Cruising Tip.
      “
      As a matter fact I was talking to someone the other day and he mentioned an
      article he read in Sail about a way to knock down castles. I said, “Yeah I
      know the author”.

      Regards,
      John Stevenson
      http://www.svsarah.com
      Sarah’s Blog

      On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Silverheels wrote:

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      If I were doing it again I would install a horizontal
      windlass instead of the vertical I have, simply to make
      handling the 2nd bow anchor easier. In practice I don’t
      set the 2nd anchor all that often, although perhaps I
      would do so more frequently if it were as easy as the
      #1 hook. I have, however, devised a pretty good and I
      believe quite original system for deploying and
      retrieving the 2nd bow anchor with the vertical
      windlass.

      John, I expect know about my anti-pyramid stick for the
      chain locker. I’m sure I shared it with the group and
      in fact it was in the February issue of SAIL as a
      Cruising Tip.

      Tor


      Silverheels, P-424 #17
      http://www.silverheels.us


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    • #81072
      Tor
      Participant

      Autographed copies available for a small fee.

      🙂

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    • #81073
      quent
      Participant

      A limited edition, autographed Torstick!
      What you want for that?
      Q

    • #81074
      kalinowski
      Participant

      Tor: Followed your anchor locker approach. I sealed up the anchor locker door and installed the diamond pattern non skid over it (matches the rest of the deck non skid). I did install a horizontal windlass unit though. Even put in an anchor wash down hose, which is accessed through its separate recessed container. Works great and looks like original equipment.

      Dan Kalinowski
      Jolly Lama #135
      Keehi Lagoon, O’ahu

    • #81075
      Tor
      Participant

      Oh, man, that’d cost you big time. BIG time.

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    • #81076
      kalinowski
      Participant

      Tor: A fool and his money……….

      Dan Kalinowski
      Jolly Lama #135
      Keehi Lagoon, O’ahu

    • #81078
      quent
      Participant

      What? Hey, you guys are the ones living on islands!
      Q

    • #81079
      Tor
      Participant

      It sounds like you did a nicer job of it, Dan, matching
      the original gel coat. And you chose the more suitable
      windlass, too. Glad to hear it all worked out so well.

      Tor


      Silverheels, P-424 #17
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    • #81080
      Anonymous

      My PO added a Lofran Kobra 1000W under the existing locker door. It fits fine and I wondered how it would perform that low to the rollers. So far…just great! The only thing is he could have come up another inch higher to the locker door or another 1/2″ to port to make the bar fit and work easier on the gypsy clutch. I’m going to try and add pictures.
      If the pictures don’t show….The windlass does completely fit ‘under’ the door and he put a stainless plate forward to the chain stopper which is mounted at the extreme aft end of the bow/cap rail.

      Sorry, I’m trying, but I can’t figure out how to make my pictures smaller.

      Ken

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