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Hi,
Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of the lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.
Ken
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Ken,
The configuration you describe appears to be the common propane set up for
424s. That is what I have on hull #2. However, I know of at least one
424, Whoosh, that had an alcohol stove until propane was added. So there
may be other configurations.
The strangest thing about the standard propane setup is the 2nd shut off
switch in the galley, in addition to the one in the locker.
For me the only drawback is the size of the cylinders, which means frequent
trips to the propane provider for fill-ups. I’ve partially solved that
problem by adding two more cylinders which are stored in the cockpit.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Page Two wrote:
Hi,
Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of the
lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or
issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.Ken
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I’m not sure what you have but I have two 10lb, horizontal tanks that get
loaded into a box under the aft port cockpit. What an incredible pain in
the patootie.I’ve seen a single 20lb tank in a locker on the aft port side.
Bob
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Page Two wrote:
Hi,
Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of the
lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or
issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.Ken
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Really? Frequently? With mine, I go maybe twice a year. Maybe I don’t
cook as much as you.Bob
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:10 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Ken,
The configuration you describe appears to be the common propane set up for
424s. That is what I have on hull #2. However, I know of at least one
424, Whoosh, that had an alcohol stove until propane was added. So there
may be other configurations.
The strangest thing about the standard propane setup is the 2nd shut off
switch in the galley, in addition to the one in the locker.
For me the only drawback is the size of the cylinders, which means frequent
trips to the propane provider for fill-ups. I’ve partially solved that
problem by adding two more cylinders which are stored in the cockpit.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Page Two wrote:
Hi,
Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of the
lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or
issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.Ken
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s/v Pelican
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” Maybe I don’t
cook as much as you.”
Bob,
Probably not. I cook at least one meal on board almost every day, I also
use my gas grill just about every day during the summer. That uses a lot
of gas. I generally go through one 8# tank every 6 or 7 weeks. That’s a
lot of trips when you’re anchored out, or in Europe where getting a propane
tank re-filled is a big deal. Dockside not much of an issue.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
Really? Frequently? With mine, I go maybe twice a year. Maybe I don’t
cook as much as you.Bob
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wrote:
Ken,
The configuration you describe appears to be the common propane set upfor
424s. That is what I have on hull #2. However, I know of at least one
424, Whoosh, that had an alcohol stove until propane was added. So there
may be other configurations.
The strangest thing about the standard propane setup is the 2nd shut off
switch in the galley, in addition to the one in the locker.
For me the only drawback is the size of the cylinders, which meansfrequent
trips to the propane provider for fill-ups. I’ve partially solved that
problem by adding two more cylinders which are stored in the cockpit.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Page Two wrote:
Hi,
Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of
the
lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or
issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.Ken
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One of the rare improvements made by some PO of my boat (or perhaps by the
factory as a special order item) is a large (20-lb?) propane tank in a
locker in between the mizzen mast and the steering pedestal. This is in
addition to the original pair of small tanks in the port lazarette aft,
which I hold in reserve to cover things while I’m refilling the primary
tank. This smart arrangement ensures that I never run out of LPG.Tor
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are they 8# or 6#? I am pretty sure they are 6# (I have four of them
on my boat. Two in the locker and two tied to the mizzen mast)
Wish they were 8#… 33% more.Pete
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Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of the lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.
Ken
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Pete I have a 6 lb aluminum from an older boat and I’d swear what I saw on the P424 I’m about to close on were two 6 lbs although the paperwork states 8 lbs. It certainly to me, seems bare minimum with the pain it can be sometimes getting them filled in the islands while at anchor. Esspecially if I want to make good use of the BBQ on the aft rail. I’m now convinced I’ll keep a steel 20lb for now and see if I can find a place for it.
Tor, is your 20lb (?)vented out along with the smaller ones?
Ken -
I think the 8# weight is the total weight of the tank and the propane. The
capacity of the tank is 6#.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Page Two wrote:
Pete I have a 6 lb aluminum from an older boat and I’d swear what I saw on
the P424 I’m about to close on were two 6 lbs although the paperwork states
8 lbs. It certainly to me, seems bare minimum with the pain it can be
sometimes getting them filled in the islands while at anchor. Esspecially
if I want to make good use of the BBQ on the aft rail. I’m now convinced
I’ll keep a steel 20lb for now and see if I can find a place for it.
Tor, is your 20lb (?)vented out along with the smaller ones?
Ken
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One of the real drawbacks of these tanks is its non-standard capacity.
Many tank re-fillers like to charge based on the tank weight, but they
don’t recognize the 6# (or 8#) tank so they want to charge for whatever is
their smallest tank – sometimes a 20#. Pay for 20# of propane and walk
away with 6#. It is becoming more and more difficult to find fillers that
charge only for the volume of propane put into the tank. Here in
Jacksonville the local U-Haul charges by volume of propane put into the
tank.
In Portugal it was even more difficult. Portugal, like Spain and I think
France, has turned the home propane business (actually primarily a Butane
mixture) over to an effective monopoly that only does tank swaps ala Blue
Rhino. However the government subsidizes LPG (PLG in Portuguese) as an
auto fuel. The PLG pumps have the same plugs as fit North American LPG
tanks, but they won’t fill portable tanks. It is illegal in Portugal to
transport PLG tanks in a private auto. I had to turn my LPG tanks over to
a marine business who could legally transport them to the PLG station, have
it filled and return it to me at the marina. It typically cost E25 (then
about $28) to fill one of my tanks. I eventually adapted to the Butane
tanks for my last year in Europe, although those tanks did not fit in my
propane locker.I didn’t see a lot of difference between Butane and Propane.
Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:28 PM, John Stevenson
wrote:I think the 8# weight is the total weight of the tank and the propane.
The capacity of the tank is 6#.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Page Two wrote:
Pete I have a 6 lb aluminum from an older boat and I’d swear what I saw
on the P424 I’m about to close on were two 6 lbs although the paperwork
states 8 lbs. It certainly to me, seems bare minimum with the pain it can
be sometimes getting them filled in the islands while at anchor.
Esspecially if I want to make good use of the BBQ on the aft rail. I’m now
convinced I’ll keep a steel 20lb for now and see if I can find a place for
it.
Tor, is your 20lb (?)vented out along with the smaller ones?
Ken
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Ken,
Yes, I believe that LPG vent hose T’s into the aft-port locker’s line,
although I think it could just as well vent into the cockpit where any
leaked propane would exit through the cockpit drains. Theoretically.Attached is a photo showing the box between the mizzen mast and pedestal.
Adding fold-down side wings to it to make a decent cockpit table is still on
one of my to-do lists.Tor
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Not all 424’s are the same, but on my boat, both cockpit drains exit below the water-line. I suppose any leaked propane would probably dissipate with any wind but if it doesn’t, the only place to go is below deck.
On my boat, there is a lenght of copper tubing for the vent hose that exits through the transom. Winter ice can build up in the tube and plug it. I’ve had to replace it twice after it burst from ice buildup. Dirt can also clog the tube making it pretty useless. Folks should inspect the tubing each spring.
Regards
Rich
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Good point about the cockpit drains, Rich. So much for my “theory” (although my drains are above the waterline).
Tor
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I also move my cockpit drain to exit above the waterline. The main reason was the valve on the port side was hard to get to. The secondary reason was running the Honda generator in the cockpit with any breeze at all was probably safe but now the carbon monoxide will hopefully go down the drain.
Linus
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Quote:Good point about the cockpit drains, Rich. So much for my “theory” (although my drains are above the waterline).Tor
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