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    • #68779
      Anonymous

      Hi,

      Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of the lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.

      Ken

    • #80062
      john stevenson
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      Ken,
      The configuration you describe appears to be the common propane set up for
      424s. That is what I have on hull #2. However, I know of at least one
      424, Whoosh, that had an alcohol stove until propane was added. So there
      may be other configurations.
      The strangest thing about the standard propane setup is the 2nd shut off
      switch in the galley, in addition to the one in the locker.
      For me the only drawback is the size of the cylinders, which means frequent
      trips to the propane provider for fill-ups. I’ve partially solved that
      problem by adding two more cylinders which are stored in the cockpit.

      Regards,
      John Stevenson
      http://www.svsarah.com

      On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Page Two wrote:

      Hi,

      Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of the
      lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or
      issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.

      Ken


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    • #80063
      madsailor
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      I’m not sure what you have but I have two 10lb, horizontal tanks that get
      loaded into a box under the aft port cockpit. What an incredible pain in
      the patootie.

      I’ve seen a single 20lb tank in a locker on the aft port side.

      Bob

      On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Page Two wrote:

      Hi,

      Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of the
      lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or
      issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.

      Ken


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    • #80064
      madsailor
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      Really? Frequently? With mine, I go maybe twice a year. Maybe I don’t
      cook as much as you.

      Bob

      On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:10 PM, John Stevenson wrote:

      Ken,
      The configuration you describe appears to be the common propane set up for
      424s. That is what I have on hull #2. However, I know of at least one
      424, Whoosh, that had an alcohol stove until propane was added. So there
      may be other configurations.
      The strangest thing about the standard propane setup is the 2nd shut off
      switch in the galley, in addition to the one in the locker.
      For me the only drawback is the size of the cylinders, which means frequent
      trips to the propane provider for fill-ups. I’ve partially solved that
      problem by adding two more cylinders which are stored in the cockpit.

      Regards,
      John Stevenson
      http://www.svsarah.com

      On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Page Two wrote:

      Hi,

      Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of the
      lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or
      issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.

      Ken


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    • #80065
      john stevenson
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      ” Maybe I don’t
      cook as much as you.”
      Bob,
      Probably not. I cook at least one meal on board almost every day, I also
      use my gas grill just about every day during the summer. That uses a lot
      of gas. I generally go through one 8# tank every 6 or 7 weeks. That’s a
      lot of trips when you’re anchored out, or in Europe where getting a propane
      tank re-filled is a big deal. Dockside not much of an issue.

      Regards,
      John Stevenson
      http://www.svsarah.com

      On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Robert Fine wrote:

      Really? Frequently? With mine, I go maybe twice a year. Maybe I don’t
      cook as much as you.

      Bob

      On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:10 PM, John Stevenson <

      wrote:

      Ken,
      The configuration you describe appears to be the common propane set up

      for

      424s. That is what I have on hull #2. However, I know of at least one
      424, Whoosh, that had an alcohol stove until propane was added. So there
      may be other configurations.
      The strangest thing about the standard propane setup is the 2nd shut off
      switch in the galley, in addition to the one in the locker.
      For me the only drawback is the size of the cylinders, which means

      frequent

      trips to the propane provider for fill-ups. I’ve partially solved that
      problem by adding two more cylinders which are stored in the cockpit.

      Regards,
      John Stevenson
      http://www.svsarah.com

      On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Page Two wrote:

      Hi,

      Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of

      the

      lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or
      issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.

      Ken


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    • #80067
      Tor
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      One of the rare improvements made by some PO of my boat (or perhaps by the
      factory as a special order item) is a large (20-lb?) propane tank in a
      locker in between the mizzen mast and the steering pedestal. This is in
      addition to the original pair of small tanks in the port lazarette aft,
      which I hold in reserve to cover things while I’m refilling the primary
      tank. This smart arrangement ensures that I never run out of LPG.

      Tor


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    • #80069
      petedd
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      are they 8# or 6#? I am pretty sure they are 6# (I have four of them
      on my boat. Two in the locker and two tied to the mizzen mast)
      Wish they were 8#… 33% more.

      Pete

      On 8/30/2013 8:32 PM, Page Two wrote:

      Hi,

      Did all 424’s come with the same propane set-up on the port side of the lazarette with two 8# tanks? Any modifications anyone has made, or issues with the set-up, I would love to hear of.

      Ken


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    • #80070
      Anonymous

      Pete I have a 6 lb aluminum from an older boat and I’d swear what I saw on the P424 I’m about to close on were two 6 lbs although the paperwork states 8 lbs. It certainly to me, seems bare minimum with the pain it can be sometimes getting them filled in the islands while at anchor. Esspecially if I want to make good use of the BBQ on the aft rail. I’m now convinced I’ll keep a steel 20lb for now and see if I can find a place for it.
      Tor, is your 20lb (?)vented out along with the smaller ones?
      Ken

    • #80071
      john stevenson
      Participant

      I think the 8# weight is the total weight of the tank and the propane. The
      capacity of the tank is 6#.

      Regards,
      John Stevenson
      http://www.svsarah.com

      On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Page Two wrote:

      Pete I have a 6 lb aluminum from an older boat and I’d swear what I saw on
      the P424 I’m about to close on were two 6 lbs although the paperwork states
      8 lbs. It certainly to me, seems bare minimum with the pain it can be
      sometimes getting them filled in the islands while at anchor. Esspecially
      if I want to make good use of the BBQ on the aft rail. I’m now convinced
      I’ll keep a steel 20lb for now and see if I can find a place for it.
      Tor, is your 20lb (?)vented out along with the smaller ones?
      Ken


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    • #80072
      john stevenson
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      One of the real drawbacks of these tanks is its non-standard capacity.
      Many tank re-fillers like to charge based on the tank weight, but they
      don’t recognize the 6# (or 8#) tank so they want to charge for whatever is
      their smallest tank – sometimes a 20#. Pay for 20# of propane and walk
      away with 6#. It is becoming more and more difficult to find fillers that
      charge only for the volume of propane put into the tank. Here in
      Jacksonville the local U-Haul charges by volume of propane put into the
      tank.
      In Portugal it was even more difficult. Portugal, like Spain and I think
      France, has turned the home propane business (actually primarily a Butane
      mixture) over to an effective monopoly that only does tank swaps ala Blue
      Rhino. However the government subsidizes LPG (PLG in Portuguese) as an
      auto fuel. The PLG pumps have the same plugs as fit North American LPG
      tanks, but they won’t fill portable tanks. It is illegal in Portugal to
      transport PLG tanks in a private auto. I had to turn my LPG tanks over to
      a marine business who could legally transport them to the PLG station, have
      it filled and return it to me at the marina. It typically cost E25 (then
      about $28) to fill one of my tanks. I eventually adapted to the Butane
      tanks for my last year in Europe, although those tanks did not fit in my
      propane locker.

      I didn’t see a lot of difference between Butane and Propane.

      Regards,
      John Stevenson
      http://www.svsarah.com

      On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:28 PM, John Stevenson
      wrote:

      I think the 8# weight is the total weight of the tank and the propane.
      The capacity of the tank is 6#.

      Regards,
      John Stevenson
      http://www.svsarah.com

      On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Page Two wrote:

      Pete I have a 6 lb aluminum from an older boat and I’d swear what I saw
      on the P424 I’m about to close on were two 6 lbs although the paperwork
      states 8 lbs. It certainly to me, seems bare minimum with the pain it can
      be sometimes getting them filled in the islands while at anchor.
      Esspecially if I want to make good use of the BBQ on the aft rail. I’m now
      convinced I’ll keep a steel 20lb for now and see if I can find a place for
      it.
      Tor, is your 20lb (?)vented out along with the smaller ones?
      Ken


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    • #80073
      Tor
      Participant

      Ken,

      Yes, I believe that LPG vent hose T’s into the aft-port locker’s line,
      although I think it could just as well vent into the cockpit where any
      leaked propane would exit through the cockpit drains. Theoretically.

      Attached is a photo showing the box between the mizzen mast and pedestal.
      Adding fold-down side wings to it to make a decent cockpit table is still on
      one of my to-do lists.

      Tor


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    • #80078
      RichCarter
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      Not all 424’s are the same, but on my boat, both cockpit drains exit below the water-line. I suppose any leaked propane would probably dissipate with any wind but if it doesn’t, the only place to go is below deck.

      On my boat, there is a lenght of copper tubing for the vent hose that exits through the transom. Winter ice can build up in the tube and plug it. I’ve had to replace it twice after it burst from ice buildup. Dirt can also clog the tube making it pretty useless. Folks should inspect the tubing each spring.

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    • #80079
      Tor
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      Good point about the cockpit drains, Rich. So much for my “theory” (although my drains are above the waterline).

      Tor


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    • #80080
      sumocean
      Participant

      I also move my cockpit drain to exit above the waterline. The main reason was the valve on the port side was hard to get to. The secondary reason was running the Honda generator in the cockpit with any breeze at all was probably safe but now the carbon monoxide will hopefully go down the drain.

      Linus

      Live by the currents, plan by the tides and follow the sun

      On Sep 3, 2013, at 10:00 AM, “Silverheels” wrote:

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      Good point about the cockpit drains, Rich. So much for my “theory” (although my drains are above the waterline).

      Tor


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