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In a message dated 9/24/2009 11:52:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes:
So with all that… and the fact that I’m perfectly able to schlep any of it around and launch from the dinghy why would I even bother with a second bow roller..
You might find doing this in 30Kts of wind a bit cumbersome, if not dangerous. You may wish to re-consider a second bow roller or a method of deploying your Fortress from the boat. Also, you would not likely have all that chain out at once; you may wish to consolodate some of that chain by integrating your rode systems and eliminate some weight.
That’s just my humble opinion, but I do spend six months of every year on the hook.
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Now for the religious part.
Is 200 feet of chain too much? That depends on where and how you anchor. If you find yourself trying to anchor in 50 feet of water, 200 feet of chain seems marginal. Deep anchorages such as this are not uncommon in the northeast. You can cheat on the scope somewhat if anchoring in deep water with all chain. The catanary caused by almost 300 lbs of the chain keeps the pull near horizontal unless you get a serious blow. Still, 3:1 scope is marginal (you won’t get 4:1 because you can’t run out all your chain and you have the height of the deck to consider). I usually use 4:1 or better.I’m replacing my anchor chain this winter. After over 20 years, its due. I’ll be replacing 200 feet of 3/8HT.
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Rich
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Rich,
Rather than so much chain (and weight in the bow underway), why not use 200′ of chain (or even 100′), plus lots of 5/8″ nylon rode. Then use the more usual 5:1 or 7:1 rode:depth ratio?
Tor
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The chain gypsy is on starboard, the line line capstain is to port. Once the chain runs out, there is no way to use the windlass to retrieve the line. Try pulling up 300 lbs of chain by hand until you get to the start of the chain. No thanks. I have line spliced to the end of the chain. I accidently ran out all my chain once. I played hell getting the line retrieved and placing the start of the chain on the capstan.I like all chain anyway. If the anchor drags, you can hear it. I sleep better.
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Rich
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If this is a “religious” discussion then AMEN, Tor! This is the right idea. In greater depths, a hybrid rode is preferable. 200Ft of chain paid out is too heavy and does not offer enough flex to absorb kinetic energy.
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Capt Bill Tice, aboard s/v CHARISMAPost generated from Pearson424 Forum using Mail2Forum
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Well, I’d never argue against sleeping better. Still, just to broaden your options, you might see if there’s a combination chain/rode gypsy available for your windlass. With that and a long rope-to-chain splice at the joint, the rode will make the transition seamlessly.
Tor
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In a message dated 9/25/2009 10:03:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes:
Once the chain runs out, there is no way to use the windlass to retrieve the line.
Rich – I have the same windlass (Tigrees). There is a way around this problem if your intrested, but you seem content with the status quo. Perhaps Tor’s suggestion of a hybrid gypsy is idea. In either case, the need for flex is important and should be addressed.
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Capt Bill Tice, aboard s/v CHARISMAPost generated from Pearson424 Forum using Mail2Forum
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I have put out all 200′ of chain almost every time I’ve anchored here in Puget sound, but I have found I’m frequently the co-center of the raft up with another friend also setting out all chain in the oposite direction and then our less well equipped buddy boats tying to us and maybe some additional rodes depending on the weathertides.
As for the flex… I always set up a snubber off the bow cleat. It’s a single line with a wichard anchor hook splieced in to one end. It was my first splice and she’s held up well thus far. I wish I had made a bridal instead of the single line, but when I get my bow padeye I’ll use that instead 99% of the time anyway.
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Subject: Re: 2nd Bow Roller – Really ?? WAS (RE: Anchor Pl…If this is a “religious” discussion then AMEN, Tor! This is the right idea. In greater depths, a hybrid rode is preferable. 200Ft of chain paid out is too heavy and does not offer enough flex to absorb kinetic energy.
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Capt Bill Tice, aboard s/v CHARISMAPost generated from Pearson424 Forum using Mail2Forum
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!
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