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So, I was looking at that thinking… oh absolutely I MUST have dual bow rollers… but the more an more I think about it I’m not so convinced.
Here’s my ground tackle setup:
On the bow:
55Lb Delta which is one bigger than what is recommended for a boat of our size. I have 200′ of chain + 400′ of line retrieved with an electric windlassDown Below:
35# Fortress with 100′ of chain and 400′ reel of Dynemma
35# Fortress wirth 100′ of chain I plan to add 200′ of triple strand to my stash for this anchorSo with all that… and the fact that I’m perfectly able to schlep any of it around and launch from the dinghy why would I even bother with a second bow roller..
Sincerely,
Seeking Validation 😉
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Patrick
Here we go with anchor religion again 😉I keep a fortress anchor on the starboard roller with about 200 feet of chain. I normally use this anchor. If we’re going to get a blow, I swap it out for a fortress fx-55. If were’re going to get a serious blow I have 200 feet of 1″ nylon with 40 feet of half-inch chain stowed below. This would be placed on the port side leaving the starboard anchor available either as a second or backup. I’ve never had reason to use this arrangement but its available. I’d probably use it if stuck cruising somewhere and hurricane warnings were raised.
I have used the port roller to service my mooring however. My windlass has a gypsy on starboard and winch on port. I use a piece of line to lift the chain up in short sections until I have the bottom chain vertical. I can’t lift the block.
The port windlass or more correctly named capstan is of little use without a port roller.
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Rich
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Patrick-
We have the same dual roller factory setup. Went south last Fall with two anchors on the rollers, a 55 Delta and a similar Manson. We took off the Delta because we couldn’t launch the Manson without dropping the Delta first. Also, with one anchor deployed, chafe against the other anchor was a problem. I think there is wisdom in having one roller.
Quent -
I know sorry about the vagueness… it’s nice to be able to think out loud and here other opinions.
Maybe the better way for me to think about this are there any ways I can’t anchor without dual bow rollers that I can with dual bow rollers and I can’t think of anything…. It’s really just convenience I guess. I can always swap out anchors or buy another anchor if I’m having problems with certain types of holding, but that doesn’t mean I have to always have two anchors on the bow.
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Pat,
You’re right. “It’s really just convenience.” IMHO, the reason you want dual bow rollers (each with a ready anchor on it) is because we all get a little lazy at the end of the day. Unless the second anchor is really easy to deploy and, later, to retrieve, the skipper is much, much more likely to convince him or herself that, “Hey, the weather looks settled so I’m not going to bother digging out that second hook, lugging it up on deck, shackling on the rode and chain, launching the dinghy and carrying it out (even though deep inside I know that would be a lot safer if I did)”. If, on the other hand, the second anchor is as easy to drop and weigh as the first, chances are you’ll use it a lot more, which translates into saver cruising. Personally, if my boat hadn’t come with a second anchor roller already in place, it would’ve been one of the first things I installed.
Regarding the anchor snubber, a line to a bow cleat is fine. However, if you install a really strong eye bolt through the stem about a foot above the waterline, then you can shackle a snubber line to that and leave it there. Its bitter end stows cleated to a bow cleat. After you’ve set your anchor you affix the snubber as you normally would and feed out enough rode so it takes up the strain, but now the angle of pull on the anchor is much reduced (being 6′ closer to water level). In effect, you’ve removed 6′ of “depth” from the rode:depth equation, enabling you to either use less scope for a given depth of water, or to achieve a higher scope to depth ratio “for free.”
Tor
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Quent,
I had a similar problem with the dual anchor rollers on my boat. Also, they were not aligned correctly for the vertical electric windlass I installed. So I unbolted them and changed their angles. Now they lead fair. I still have to launch my #1 anchor first, and retrieve my #2 anchor first when both are set, but so what? You can only deploy or weigh one anchor at a time anyway.
Tor
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I hear on the convenience factor… but this way my girlfriend and I can work out schlepping anchors since she’s a certified strength and conditioning coach she’ll be happy for me to get the workout.
Totally agree on the padeye on the bow. It was already on my refit list. 😉
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Dood! That’s a lot of chain! I have a 45 delta, and frankly the danforth doesn’t fit right on my setup. So no it’s probably not needed if(!) you can keep all that gear untangled and ready to go
http://ontheboat.net/gallery2/v/Ra/Projects/Anchor/
Otoh, as far as projects go it wasn’t that traumatic, and the Garhauer rollers are extremely reasonably priced
On Sep 24, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Patrick Walters <> wrote:
Quote:So, I was looking at that thinking… oh absolutely I MUST have dual bow rollers… but the more an more I think about it I’m not so convinced.Here’s my ground tackle setup:
On the bow:
55Lb Delta which is one bigger than what is recommended for a boat of our size. I have 200′ of chain + 400′ of line retrieved with an electric windlassDown Below:
35# Fortress with 100′ of chain and 400′ reel of Dynemma
35# Fortress wirth 100′ of chain I plan to add 200′ of triple strand to my stash for this anchorSo with all that… and the fact that I’m perfectly able to schlep any of it around and launch from the dinghy why would I even bother with a second bow roller..
Sincerely,
Seeking Validation 😉
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Hi Tor-
Problem was not deploying both anchors, it was with deploying one with the other still on the roller. We ended up lashing one to the bow pulpit to get it out of the way, then later removing it from the bow area. We found that anchoring opportunities requiring multiple anchors were rare.
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Pat,
Here’s a photo of the stainless backing plate I put in to spread the stress of that stem pad eye.
Tor
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The pad eye sounds like a good idea. I’m somewhat reluctant to leave a snubber line dangling over my bow all the time, but I could attach it before leaving on a cruise. I’m somewhat concerned about crevice corrosion since it would be under water much of the time when underway. Still thinking it over…
A filler pad made from teak or pressure treated stock would be pretty easy to cut. Behind there a flat plate of stainless would be simple to fabricate.
Rich
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Hey Quent,
My anchors were hitting, too. That improved when I changed the angle of the twin rollers, aiming the forward ends farther apart, so the rodes would lead fair to the vertical windlass. The anchors, a 45# CQR and a 66# Manta, still overlap some, but as I said I always deploy the “top” one first and retrieve the “bottom” one first. It works.
Tor
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Dan,
I made the backing plate from some discarded scrap I found laying around the boat yard. It was either 1/8″ or 3/16″. I never did make a pattern. As I recall, I partially bent it around a wide pipe to get the initial radius, leaving the angle of the sides a bit wider than I’d finally want. Then I installed it and used the torque of the bolt to pull it in as I tightened it. Or something like that. It’s also thoroughly bedded with 5200.
Tor
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Tor,
Are you taking Silver Heels to the boat show?
Lee
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Correction: I called that snubber eye I installed in the stem an “eye bolt” and a “pad eye”. Both are wrong. It’s a long U-bolt, as evidenced by the pair of nuts visible on the backing plate.
Tor
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Lee,
No, I’m leaving her in Beaufort.
Tor
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Hey Tor, do you have a picture of the front side of that fitting? Is it basically something like this:
http://www.westmarine.com/1/3/stainless-steel-bow-eyeThanks,
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Here’s a photo of the stainless backing plate I put in to spread the stress of that stem pad eye.
Tor
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