AC Main Breaker

[Hull152_Patrick]

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m curious if
the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to the panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!

[john stevenson]

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change the
amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also used Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of the
70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of the P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m curious if
the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to the
panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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[Hull152_Patrick]

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island in Puget
Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts to the mid
20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following seas and
current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice short 2
hour jaunt.

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <>wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change the
amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also used
Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of the
70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of the P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to the
panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!

[Hull152_Patrick]

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was wired
for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been replaced
after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and I
assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in the AC
panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts to the
mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following seas and
current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice short 2
hour jaunt.

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <>wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change the
amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also used
Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of the
70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of the
P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to the
panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!

[madsailor]

Hi Pat,

When I replaced my charger/inverted I found the same thing. The wiring was
good for 1 leg of a 50 amp service. My main breaker is 30 amp, tho. I had to
replace all the wiring from the plug on.

If you check the plug you may find the wires don’t fit properly as I did.

Bob

I’m not being short. This is from my mobile.
On Dec 14, 2010 4:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <>
wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was wired
for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been replaced
after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and I
assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in the AC
panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice short

2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <

wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change the
amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also used
Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of the
70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of the
P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m

curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to the
panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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[john stevenson]

Same here, 50A main breaker. I have a 30A breaker at my isolation
transformer up stream from the panel, so this breaker doesn’t protect much.
All of the sub-circuit breakers are 15A or less, except the frig and the
A/C, which are 30A and 20A respectively. Can’t explain the 30A for the
frig, which appears factory installed. I don’t believe the old Grunert
(died in 2001) drew more than 10A.

I could use 50A service right now. It’s really cold in Jacksonville (once
again I didn’t go far enough south). Back to breaker roulette trying to
juggle a couple of space heaters, the frig and hot water heater.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Robert Fine <> wrote:

Hi Pat,

When I replaced my charger/inverted I found the same thing. The wiring was
good for 1 leg of a 50 amp service. My main breaker is 30 amp, tho. I had
to
replace all the wiring from the plug on.

If you check the plug you may find the wires don’t fit properly as I did.

Bob

I’m not being short. This is from my mobile.
On Dec 14, 2010 4:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <
wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been replaced
after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and I
assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice

short
2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <

wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also used
Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of the
70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of the
P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m

curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to the
panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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[Hull152_Patrick]

I have contemplated moving the shore power connection and getting a longer
cord. Wonder if I should replace the 50amp main AC breaker and put in a
50amp shore cord…
Might be better to do a different modification to accommodate overseas
power….

Well now I’ve got some research to do I guess.

-p

—
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:55 AM, John Stevenson <>wrote:

Same here, 50A main breaker. I have a 30A breaker at my isolation
transformer up stream from the panel, so this breaker doesn’t protect much.
All of the sub-circuit breakers are 15A or less, except the frig and the
A/C, which are 30A and 20A respectively. Can’t explain the 30A for the
frig, which appears factory installed. I don’t believe the old Grunert
(died in 2001) drew more than 10A.

I could use 50A service right now. It’s really cold in Jacksonville (once
again I didn’t go far enough south). Back to breaker roulette trying to
juggle a couple of space heaters, the frig and hot water heater.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Robert Fine <> wrote:

Hi Pat,

When I replaced my charger/inverted I found the same thing. The wiring

was

good for 1 leg of a 50 amp service. My main breaker is 30 amp, tho. I had
to
replace all the wiring from the plug on.

If you check the plug you may find the wires don’t fit properly as I did.

Bob

I’m not being short. This is from my mobile.
On Dec 14, 2010 4:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <

wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been

replaced

after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and

I

assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts

to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following

seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice

short
2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <

wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also

used

Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of

the

70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of

the

P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m

curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to

the

panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!

[madsailor]

Hi Patrick,

Here’s the thing: even if you put a 50 amp cord and stuff, the boat is only
wired to handle one leg of the 220v circuit. Surprisingly, that’s not all
that unusual. I’ve seen large-ish motor yachts wired that way.

If you’re going to Europe where there’s 220vac single phase current, you
have to have a step-down transformer to run the normal boat loads. Stuff’s
just not wired the same there. It’s easier for a foreign 220v boat to hook
up here to 50 amps (2 hot leads, 1 ground) than it is to take a 50 amp 110v
single leg boat and hook it up there.

What you could do (and I would if I were going to 50amps) would to put a
second AC panel and box for big loads – heaters and air conditioning,
refrigerator, etc. and the other 50 amp leg to run all the other ac loads.
Then you’d have something!

Bob

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

I have contemplated moving the shore power connection and getting a longer
cord. Wonder if I should replace the 50amp main AC breaker and put in a
50amp shore cord…
Might be better to do a different modification to accommodate overseas
power….

Well now I’ve got some research to do I guess.

-p

—
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:55 AM, John Stevenson <

wrote:

Same here, 50A main breaker. I have a 30A breaker at my isolation
transformer up stream from the panel, so this breaker doesn’t protect

much.

All of the sub-circuit breakers are 15A or less, except the frig and the
A/C, which are 30A and 20A respectively. Can’t explain the 30A for the
frig, which appears factory installed. I don’t believe the old Grunert
(died in 2001) drew more than 10A.

I could use 50A service right now. It’s really cold in Jacksonville

(once

again I didn’t go far enough south). Back to breaker roulette trying to
juggle a couple of space heaters, the frig and hot water heater.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Robert Fine <> wrote:

Hi Pat,

When I replaced my charger/inverted I found the same thing. The wiring

was

good for 1 leg of a 50 amp service. My main breaker is 30 amp, tho. I

had

to
replace all the wiring from the plug on.

If you check the plug you may find the wires don’t fit properly as I

did.

Bob

I’m not being short. This is from my mobile.
On Dec 14, 2010 4:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <

wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a

tad

perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been

replaced

after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics

and

I

assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in

the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island

in

Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts

to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following

seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice

short
2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <

wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to

change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also

used

Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So

I

would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of

the

70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of

the

P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m

curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to

the

panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

Thanks,

-p

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[Hull152_Patrick]

OK, after looking into this a bit more, I’ve decided I’m not ready to dig
into this now and it’s not realy neccesary. Since it’s winter we need the
AC Power to make the boat comfy.

I’m going to properly size the wire to the existing plug and drop in a 30AMP
main breaker. I’ll look at the individual circuit breakers and see if they
need to be downsized. I think the 30amp ones that were in the panel may have
all been spares anyway. (Need to take some pics of that so I can sit at my
desk and be sure about it)

Not planning to go to Europe and since we plan to be very infrequently in
Marinas we’ll rely on Solar, a Honda EU2000i with the engine as the backup
to both those for charging in Mexico and beyond.

Need the AC to make it through the winter…

-p
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Robert Fine <> wrote:

Hi Patrick,

Here’s the thing: even if you put a 50 amp cord and stuff, the boat is only
wired to handle one leg of the 220v circuit. Surprisingly, that’s not all
that unusual. I’ve seen large-ish motor yachts wired that way.

If you’re going to Europe where there’s 220vac single phase current, you
have to have a step-down transformer to run the normal boat loads. Stuff’s
just not wired the same there. It’s easier for a foreign 220v boat to hook
up here to 50 amps (2 hot leads, 1 ground) than it is to take a 50 amp
110v
single leg boat and hook it up there.

What you could do (and I would if I were going to 50amps) would to put a
second AC panel and box for big loads – heaters and air conditioning,
refrigerator, etc. and the other 50 amp leg to run all the other ac loads.
Then you’d have something!

Bob

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

I have contemplated moving the shore power connection and getting a

longer

cord. Wonder if I should replace the 50amp main AC breaker and put in a
50amp shore cord…
Might be better to do a different modification to accommodate overseas
power….

Well now I’ve got some research to do I guess.

-p

—
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:55 AM, John Stevenson <

wrote:

Same here, 50A main breaker. I have a 30A breaker at my isolation
transformer up stream from the panel, so this breaker doesn’t protect

much.

All of the sub-circuit breakers are 15A or less, except the frig and

the

A/C, which are 30A and 20A respectively. Can’t explain the 30A for the
frig, which appears factory installed. I don’t believe the old Grunert
(died in 2001) drew more than 10A.

I could use 50A service right now. It’s really cold in Jacksonville

(once

again I didn’t go far enough south). Back to breaker roulette trying

to

juggle a couple of space heaters, the frig and hot water heater.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Robert Fine <> wrote:

Hi Pat,

When I replaced my charger/inverted I found the same thing. The

wiring

was

good for 1 leg of a 50 amp service. My main breaker is 30 amp, tho. I

had

to
replace all the wiring from the plug on.

If you check the plug you may find the wires don’t fit properly as I

did.

Bob

I’m not being short. This is from my mobile.
On Dec 14, 2010 4:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <

wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a

tad

perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat

was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been

replaced

after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics

and

I

assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in

the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake

Island

in

Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with

gusts

to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with

following

seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our

nice

short
2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <

wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to

change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also

used

Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB.

So

I

would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas

of

the

70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end

of

the

P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)?

I’m

curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match

to

the

panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

Thanks,

-p

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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!

[petedd]

I am fairly certain that the 50Amp inlet on the 424 is only a single phase (leg) connection. So just one hot leg of 50 amps.

On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Robert Fine <> wrote:

Hi Patrick,

Here’s the thing: even if you put a 50 amp cord and stuff, the boat is only
wired to handle one leg of the 220v circuit. Surprisingly, that’s not all
that unusual. I’ve seen large-ish motor yachts wired that way.

If you’re going to Europe where there’s 220vac single phase current, you
have to have a step-down transformer to run the normal boat loads. Stuff’s
just not wired the same there. It’s easier for a foreign 220v boat to hook
up here to 50 amps (2 hot leads, 1 ground) than it is to take a 50 amp 110v
single leg boat and hook it up there.

What you could do (and I would if I were going to 50amps) would to put a
second AC panel and box for big loads – heaters and air conditioning,
refrigerator, etc. and the other 50 amp leg to run all the other ac loads.
Then you’d have something!

Bob

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

I have contemplated moving the shore power connection and getting a longer
cord. Wonder if I should replace the 50amp main AC breaker and put in a
50amp shore cord…
Might be better to do a different modification to accommodate overseas
power….

Well now I’ve got some research to do I guess.

-p

—
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:55 AM, John Stevenson <

wrote:

Same here, 50A main breaker. I have a 30A breaker at my isolation
transformer up stream from the panel, so this breaker doesn’t protect

much.

All of the sub-circuit breakers are 15A or less, except the frig and the
A/C, which are 30A and 20A respectively. Can’t explain the 30A for the
frig, which appears factory installed. I don’t believe the old Grunert
(died in 2001) drew more than 10A.

I could use 50A service right now. It’s really cold in Jacksonville

(once

again I didn’t go far enough south). Back to breaker roulette trying to
juggle a couple of space heaters, the frig and hot water heater.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Robert Fine <> wrote:

Hi Pat,

When I replaced my charger/inverted I found the same thing. The wiring

was

good for 1 leg of a 50 amp service. My main breaker is 30 amp, tho. I

had

to
replace all the wiring from the plug on.

If you check the plug you may find the wires don’t fit properly as I

did.

Bob

I’m not being short. This is from my mobile.
On Dec 14, 2010 4:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <

wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a

tad

perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been

replaced

after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics

and

I

assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in

the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island

in

Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts

to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following

seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice

short
2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <

wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to

change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also

used

Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So

I

would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of

the

70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of

the

P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m

curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to

the

panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

Thanks,

-p

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[petedd]

Yes. Originally wired for 50 amps as a single 120 volt leg

On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <> wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was wired
for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been replaced
after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and I
assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in the AC
panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts to the
mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following seas and
current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice short 2
hour jaunt.

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <>wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change the
amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also used
Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of the
70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of the
P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to the
panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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[Hull152_Patrick]

If your bored I’d love to see an explanation of the difference between
50amps as a single 120v leg and whatever the other way is.

I assumed to upgrade from 30Amps to 50Amps and thus run more on the boat,
you would just upgrade the feed from the shore to the panel (shore power
cord, shore power plug, wiring to the AC Breaker) to be sized for 50Amps and
then you could run more off the panel than you could at 30Amps.

Is it more complicated than that?

-p

—
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:03 PM, <
> wrote:

Yes. Originally wired for 50 amps as a single 120 volt leg

On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <
> wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been replaced
after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and I
assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice

short 2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <

>wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also used
Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of the
70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of the
P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m

curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to the
panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!

[petedd]

Basically correct. The thing is that more often than not these days docks don’t have the 50amp 120v single leg outlets sp u end up tapping two 30amp outlets using a Y adapter. Also there may or may not be two outlets available for one boat at the dock

Regarding the “other way”, that would be a 50amp 220 plug which provides 120V at 50amps on each of two legs. This is like an outlet for a welder or more familiarly a dryer outlet though the latter is only 30 amps per leg.

Pete

On Dec 14, 2010, at 4:17 PM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <> wrote:

If your bored I’d love to see an explanation of the difference between
50amps as a single 120v leg and whatever the other way is.

I assumed to upgrade from 30Amps to 50Amps and thus run more on the boat,
you would just upgrade the feed from the shore to the panel (shore power
cord, shore power plug, wiring to the AC Breaker) to be sized for 50Amps and
then you could run more off the panel than you could at 30Amps.

Is it more complicated than that?

-p

—
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:03 PM, <
> wrote:

Yes. Originally wired for 50 amps as a single 120 volt leg

On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <
> wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been replaced
after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and I
assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice

short 2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <

>wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also used
Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of the
70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of the
P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m

curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to the
panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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[Hull152_Patrick]

As planed I left it as-is and just did a proper replacement. I have AC power
again!

Part list for the archive:

– 20′ of 10awg3 Ancor shore power cable
– 7′ 10awg Ancor white primary wire
– Blue Sea A Series Toggle Double Pole PN# 7238
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19
– Ring Terminals for 10Awg Wire

Out of the 20′ I was able to make the main connection to the breaker and
from the 7′ the wire from breaker to the AC break out panel. The Green wire
in the triple actually hooks into the ground as the wire comes through the
hanging locker, so you will strip off a lot of the insulation.

The wires connected to my shore power plug were only covered with electrical
tape. There is a proper cover for the back I plan to buy. They probably left
it off because the 6awg Type 2 wire they used was very stiff. Here’s a shot
of that if you also see electrical tape and want a proper cover.
http://www.marinco.com/product/30-amp-rear-safety-enclosure-8-way

Thanks again everyone for answering my questions!
-p

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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:39 PM, <
> wrote:

Basically correct. The thing is that more often than not these days docks
don’t have the 50amp 120v single leg outlets sp u end up tapping two 30amp
outlets using a Y adapter. Also there may or may not be two outlets
available for one boat at the dock

Regarding the “other way”, that would be a 50amp 220 plug which provides
120V at 50amps on each of two legs. This is like an outlet for a welder or
more familiarly a dryer outlet though the latter is only 30 amps per leg.

Pete

On Dec 14, 2010, at 4:17 PM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <
> wrote:

If your bored I’d love to see an explanation of the difference between
50amps as a single 120v leg and whatever the other way is.

I assumed to upgrade from 30Amps to 50Amps and thus run more on the boat,
you would just upgrade the feed from the shore to the panel (shore power
cord, shore power plug, wiring to the AC Breaker) to be sized for 50Amps

and

then you could run more off the panel than you could at 30Amps.

Is it more complicated than that?

-p

—
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:03 PM, <
> wrote:

Yes. Originally wired for 50 amps as a single 120 volt leg

On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters” <
> wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been

replaced

after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and

I

assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts

to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following

seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice

short 2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson <

>wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also

used

Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of

the

70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of

the

P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters <
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m

curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to

the

panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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Thanks Dawn and Patrick!

[RichCarter]

Be careful! A common 220V outlet such as used for a dryer or stove has only three prongs. There are two hot leads and a ground. To split a 220v feed into two 110V circuits you need a four prong plug, two hot leads, neutral, and ground. Without the neutral wire, you may not have 110v on each circuit. If the main circuit is shared among lots of boats, there is usually no need to balance the loads. They will randomly balance themselves. If its provided from a single source such as a generator it should really be balanced with more or less equal loads on both 110V circuits.

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[petedd]

By the way, before you decide to go to 50AMP inlet wiring, check out the
prices of the cords, adapters, and plugs. It is cheaper to run two
30AMP inputs than one 50AMP, which is what lots of newer boats do.

Pete

On 12/15/2010 1:24 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters wrote:

As planed I left it as-is and just did a proper replacement. I have AC power
again!

Part list for the archive:

– 20′ of 10awg3 Ancor shore power cable
– 7′ 10awg Ancor white primary wire
– Blue Sea A Series Toggle Double Pole PN# 7238
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19
– Ring Terminals for 10Awg Wire

Out of the 20′ I was able to make the main connection to the breaker and
from the 7′ the wire from breaker to the AC break out panel. The Green wire
in the triple actually hooks into the ground as the wire comes through the
hanging locker, so you will strip off a lot of the insulation.

The wires connected to my shore power plug were only covered with electrical
tape. There is a proper cover for the back I plan to buy. They probably left
it off because the 6awg Type 2 wire they used was very stiff. Here’s a shot
of that if you also see electrical tape and want a proper cover.
http://www.marinco.com/product/30-amp-rear-safety-enclosure-8-way

Thanks again everyone for answering my questions!
-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:39 PM, <
> wrote:

Basically correct. The thing is that more often than not these days docks
don’t have the 50amp 120v single leg outlets sp u end up tapping two 30amp
outlets using a Y adapter. Also there may or may not be two outlets
available for one boat at the dock

Regarding the “other way”, that would be a 50amp 220 plug which provides
120V at 50amps on each of two legs. This is like an outlet for a welder or
more familiarly a dryer outlet though the latter is only 30 amps per leg.

Pete

On Dec 14, 2010, at 4:17 PM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters”<
> wrote:

If your bored I’d love to see an explanation of the difference between
50amps as a single 120v leg and whatever the other way is.

I assumed to upgrade from 30Amps to 50Amps and thus run more on the boat,
you would just upgrade the feed from the shore to the panel (shore power
cord, shore power plug, wiring to the AC Breaker) to be sized for 50Amps

and

then you could run more off the panel than you could at 30Amps.

Is it more complicated than that?

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:03 PM, <
> wrote:

Yes. Originally wired for 50 amps as a single 120 volt leg

On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters”<
> wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been

replaced

after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and

I

assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters<
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts

to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following

seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice

short 2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson<

>wrote:

Patrick,
I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also

used

Blue
Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of

the

70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of

the

P424
run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters<
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m

curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to

the

panel.
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

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[john stevenson]

+1 on what Pete posted.
If there is only 30A service on the dock, it’s a lot easier and cheaper to
use two 30A cord sets to two 30A receptacles than to use a “Y” adapter to
bring two 30A sources into the single 50A receptacle. That adapter usually
costs > $400. My fun and games on the 54′ Bertram last summer opened my
eyes to the world of heavy power requirements and usage.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Pete Dubler <> wrote:

By the way, before you decide to go to 50AMP inlet wiring, check out the
prices of the cords, adapters, and plugs. It is cheaper to run two 30AMP
inputs than one 50AMP, which is what lots of newer boats do.

Pete

On 12/15/2010 1:24 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters wrote:

As planed I left it as-is and just did a proper replacement. I have AC
power
again!

Part list for the archive:

– 20′ of 10awg3 Ancor shore power cable
– 7′ 10awg Ancor white primary wire
– Blue Sea A Series Toggle Double Pole PN# 7238
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19
– Ring Terminals for 10Awg Wire

Out of the 20′ I was able to make the main connection to the breaker and
from the 7′ the wire from breaker to the AC break out panel. The Green
wire
in the triple actually hooks into the ground as the wire comes through the
hanging locker, so you will strip off a lot of the insulation.

The wires connected to my shore power plug were only covered with
electrical
tape. There is a proper cover for the back I plan to buy. They probably
left
it off because the 6awg Type 2 wire they used was very stiff. Here’s a
shot
of that if you also see electrical tape and want a proper cover.
http://www.marinco.com/product/30-amp-rear-safety-enclosure-8-way

Thanks again everyone for answering my questions!
-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:39 PM, <
> wrote:

Basically correct. The thing is that more often than not these days

docks
don’t have the 50amp 120v single leg outlets sp u end up tapping two
30amp
outlets using a Y adapter. Also there may or may not be two outlets
available for one boat at the dock

Regarding the “other way”, that would be a 50amp 220 plug which provides
120V at 50amps on each of two legs. This is like an outlet for a welder
or
more familiarly a dryer outlet though the latter is only 30 amps per leg.

Pete

On Dec 14, 2010, at 4:17 PM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters”<
> wrote:

If your bored I’d love to see an explanation of the difference between

50amps as a single 120v leg and whatever the other way is.

I assumed to upgrade from 30Amps to 50Amps and thus run more on the
boat,
you would just upgrade the feed from the shore to the panel (shore power
cord, shore power plug, wiring to the AC Breaker) to be sized for 50Amps

and

then you could run more off the panel than you could at 30Amps.

Is it more complicated than that?

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:03 PM, <
> wrote:

Yes. Originally wired for 50 amps as a single 120 volt leg

On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters”<
> wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a

tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been

replaced

after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and

I

assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in
the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters<
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island
in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts

to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following
seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice
short 2

hour jaunt.

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson<

>wrote:

Patrick,

I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also

used

Blue

Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So
I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of

the

70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of

the

P424

run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters<
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m
curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to

the

panel.

http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

—
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[petedd]

RIch,

Correctamundo. Sorry if I added confusion. You are right that the
marine split 220V must have four conductors. (The outer housing of the
part of the plug that gets inserted is also ground, btw).

What was on the 424’s is a 50AMP single feed 120V circuit. Three
conductors: hot, neutral, and ground.

If I were to want more power on a boat that is wired for a 30AMP input,
I would go with two 30 AMP feeds instead of the 50AMP feed. (I have
considered going that way as the 50AMP cord is a real monster. Most of
the time I only use a 30amp cord with an adapter at the boat end).

BTW, I also have a European cord input for 220V which goes to a
transformer. I recently put both the input connectors into a recessed
box which has a flush cover. This eliminated to two places that you
could not comfortably sit in the cockpit due to these connectors. I’ll
post a picture.

Pete

On 12/15/2010 7:34 AM, wrote:

Quote:

Be careful! A common 220V outlet such as used for a dryer or stove has only three prongs. There are two hot leads and a ground. To split a 220v feed into two 110V circuits you need a four prong plug, two hot leads, neutral, and ground. Without the neutral wire, you may not have 110v on each circuit. If the main circuit is shared among lots of boats, there is usually no need to balance the loads. They will randomly balance themselves. If its provided from a single source such as a generator it should really be balanced with more or less equal loads on both 110V circuits.

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[RichCarter]

I don’t know about where you folks sail, but around here in the northeast, 50A outlets are pretty rare. Most marinas have one 30A outlet per slip. Even if you have two 30A inlets on your boat, there is usually noplace to plug the second cord in unless you unplug the cord from the boat next to you. This is not the best way to meet the guy in the next slip 😉

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[petedd]

I have an adapter with two Male 30amp plugs that go to one Female 50amp
outlet. This goes on the dock side and the 50Amp long cord plus into this.

The cheaper option to the two females to one male adapter is to have two
30amp outlets on the boat and have them wired internally. I do not know
the ABYC approach to this (and I could not find anything in a quick scan
of section E-11 of 08/09) but I would have two separate 30AMP breakers
on the panel so that you do not have two live inlets when you are only
feeding one. I do not know how the adapter works if the two 30AMP
outlets on the dock are actually on separate legs or if that matters ..
perhaps Rich could add some expertise on that.

Pete

On 12/15/2010 7:54 AM, John Stevenson wrote:

+1 on what Pete posted.
If there is only 30A service on the dock, it’s a lot easier and cheaper to
use two 30A cord sets to two 30A receptacles than to use a “Y” adapter to
bring two 30A sources into the single 50A receptacle. That adapter usually
costs> $400. My fun and games on the 54′ Bertram last summer opened my
eyes to the world of heavy power requirements and usage.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Pete Dubler<> wrote:

By the way, before you decide to go to 50AMP inlet wiring, check out the
prices of the cords, adapters, and plugs. It is cheaper to run two 30AMP
inputs than one 50AMP, which is what lots of newer boats do.

Pete

On 12/15/2010 1:24 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters wrote:

As planed I left it as-is and just did a proper replacement. I have AC
power
again!

Part list for the archive:

– 20′ of 10awg3 Ancor shore power cable
– 7′ 10awg Ancor white primary wire
– Blue Sea A Series Toggle Double Pole PN# 7238
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19
– Ring Terminals for 10Awg Wire

Out of the 20′ I was able to make the main connection to the breaker and
from the 7′ the wire from breaker to the AC break out panel. The Green
wire
in the triple actually hooks into the ground as the wire comes through the
hanging locker, so you will strip off a lot of the insulation.

The wires connected to my shore power plug were only covered with
electrical
tape. There is a proper cover for the back I plan to buy. They probably
left
it off because the 6awg Type 2 wire they used was very stiff. Here’s a
shot
of that if you also see electrical tape and want a proper cover.
http://www.marinco.com/product/30-amp-rear-safety-enclosure-8-way

Thanks again everyone for answering my questions!
-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:39 PM, <
> wrote:

Basically correct. The thing is that more often than not these days

docks
don’t have the 50amp 120v single leg outlets sp u end up tapping two
30amp
outlets using a Y adapter. Also there may or may not be two outlets
available for one boat at the dock

Regarding the “other way”, that would be a 50amp 220 plug which provides
120V at 50amps on each of two legs. This is like an outlet for a welder
or
more familiarly a dryer outlet though the latter is only 30 amps per leg.

Pete

On Dec 14, 2010, at 4:17 PM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters”<
> wrote:

If your bored I’d love to see an explanation of the difference between

50amps as a single 120v leg and whatever the other way is.

I assumed to upgrade from 30Amps to 50Amps and thus run more on the
boat,
you would just upgrade the feed from the shore to the panel (shore power
cord, shore power plug, wiring to the AC Breaker) to be sized for 50Amps

and

then you could run more off the panel than you could at 30Amps.

Is it more complicated than that?

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:03 PM, <
> wrote:

Yes. Originally wired for 50 amps as a single 120 volt leg

On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters”<
> wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a

tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been

replaced

after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics and

I

assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in
the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters<
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island
in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with gusts

to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following
seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice
short 2
hour jaunt.

-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson<

>wrote:
Patrick,

I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also

used

Blue

Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So
I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas of

the

70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of

the

P424

run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters<
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m
curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to

the

panel.

http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19>Thanks,
-p

—
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[john stevenson]

Pete,
How does that “Y” adapter work that combines two 30A sources into one
50A/125VAC receptacle? We looked at one it last summer, but decided we had
spent enough of the owner’s money at that point. My guess is it blocks one
leg if it is out of phase with the other. I can’t believe it rectifies the
phases.
Rich,
If you ever head down the ICW I recommend getting a 50A shore to 30A boat
adapter (unless you have a 50A/125VAC receptacle – in which case you may
need Pete’s adapter). At ICW marinas (or just about any marina in FL) you
may not have 30A/125VAC power at the berth. In which case you’ll need the
adapter I described. It works with both 125VAC and 240VAC shore power
(takes one phase of the later). As a matter of fact if you go down the ICW
and spend a lot of time at marinas, it is best to have as many power
adapters as there types of dock receptacles, including 15A.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Pete Dubler <> wrote:

I have an adapter with two Male 30amp plugs that go to one Female 50amp
outlet. This goes on the dock side and the 50Amp long cord plus into this.

The cheaper option to the two females to one male adapter is to have two
30amp outlets on the boat and have them wired internally. I do not know the
ABYC approach to this (and I could not find anything in a quick scan of
section E-11 of 08/09) but I would have two separate 30AMP breakers on the
panel so that you do not have two live inlets when you are only feeding one.
I do not know how the adapter works if the two 30AMP outlets on the dock
are actually on separate legs or if that matters .. perhaps Rich could add
some expertise on that.

Pete

On 12/15/2010 7:54 AM, John Stevenson wrote:

+1 on what Pete posted.
If there is only 30A service on the dock, it’s a lot easier and cheaper to
use two 30A cord sets to two 30A receptacles than to use a “Y” adapter to
bring two 30A sources into the single 50A receptacle. That adapter
usually
costs> $400. My fun and games on the 54′ Bertram last summer opened my
eyes to the world of heavy power requirements and usage.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Pete Dubler<>
wrote:

By the way, before you decide to go to 50AMP inlet wiring, check out the

prices of the cords, adapters, and plugs. It is cheaper to run two 30AMP
inputs than one 50AMP, which is what lots of newer boats do.

Pete

On 12/15/2010 1:24 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters wrote:

As planed I left it as-is and just did a proper replacement. I have AC

power
again!

Part list for the archive:

– 20′ of 10awg3 Ancor shore power cable
– 7′ 10awg Ancor white primary wire
– Blue Sea A Series Toggle Double Pole PN# 7238
http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19
– Ring Terminals for 10Awg Wire

Out of the 20′ I was able to make the main connection to the breaker and
from the 7′ the wire from breaker to the AC break out panel. The Green
wire
in the triple actually hooks into the ground as the wire comes through
the
hanging locker, so you will strip off a lot of the insulation.

The wires connected to my shore power plug were only covered with
electrical
tape. There is a proper cover for the back I plan to buy. They probably
left
it off because the 6awg Type 2 wire they used was very stiff. Here’s a
shot
of that if you also see electrical tape and want a proper cover.
http://www.marinco.com/product/30-amp-rear-safety-enclosure-8-way

Thanks again everyone for answering my questions!
-p

—
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:39 PM, <
> wrote:

Basically correct. The thing is that more often than not these days

docks
don’t have the 50amp 120v single leg outlets sp u end up tapping two
30amp
outlets using a Y adapter. Also there may or may not be two outlets
available for one boat at the dock

Regarding the “other way”, that would be a 50amp 220 plug which
provides
120V at 50amps on each of two legs. This is like an outlet for a
welder
or
more familiarly a dryer outlet though the latter is only 30 amps per
leg.

Pete

On Dec 14, 2010, at 4:17 PM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters”<
> wrote:

If your bored I’d love to see an explanation of the difference between

50amps as a single 120v leg and whatever the other way is.

I assumed to upgrade from 30Amps to 50Amps and thus run more on the
boat,
you would just upgrade the feed from the shore to the panel (shore
power
cord, shore power plug, wiring to the AC Breaker) to be sized for
50Amps

and

then you could run more off the panel than you could at 30Amps.

Is it more complicated than that?

-p

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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:03 PM, <
> wrote:

Yes. Originally wired for 50 amps as a single 120 volt leg

On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:13 AM, “Patrick “Peaboy” Walters”<
> wrote:

Went down and pulled out the bad AC Main breaker wire and now I’m a

tad
perplexed. I have a 30amp shore cord and always thought the boat was

wired

for 30amps. My shore power plug on the boat appear to have been

replaced

after manufacturing, but all my panels and breakers are Marinetics
and

I

assume all original original.

My AC Main breaker was a 50amp breaker and I have other breakers in

the

AC

panel that are labeled as 30Amp.

Was the P424 wired for 50amps originally?

-p

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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters<
> wrote:

Thanks John, I also have the Marinetics panel (Hull from 1981).

On a more fun note, we had a nice trip this weekend to Blake Island
in
Puget Sound. On the way home we sailed in 20kts of breeze with
gusts

to

the

mid 20’s. All downwind or beam reach under jib alone with following

seas

and

current. It was nice to do 6+ kts with ocassional 7kts for our nice

short 2
hour jaunt.

-p

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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, John Stevenson< >wrote:

Patrick,

I haven’t replaced that breaker, but I’ve replaced others (to

change

the

amperage) and Blue Seas breakers fit those other slots. I’ve also

used

Blue

Seas meter to replace a dead AC Ammeter and add one for my SSB. So

I
would
go with the Blue Seas. I have a Marinetics panel (The Blue Seas
of

the

70s), Pearson may have changed to something else before the end of

the

P424

run.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Patrick “Peaboy” Walters<
> wrote:

Has anyone replaced any the AC Main breaker (mine is fried)? I’m
curious

if

the Blue Sea Systems 30Amp A Series double toggles are a match to

the

panel.

http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

<http://bluesea.com/category/3/11/productline/overview/19

Thanks,

-p

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I don’t know what the ABYC standard is for shore power but I can guess. If you use plug into two 30A plugs on the dock and feed two independent panels each with its own master breaker, I think you are OK. If you use a single 50 cord with a ‘Y’ cable to two 30A outlets, I would guess you are not in compliance with the law. It doesn’t make sense to do this. If the two outlets are wired to opposite phases of the 220v power, you will trip the breaker or worse fry something when you plug the cable in. If they are on the same phase, you are feeding a 50A cable with a 60A source.

Someone more familiar with the ABYC standard might have a more authoritative opinion.

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John
Thanks for the tip. Unless you have A/C or electric heat on your boat, I can’t see the need for more than 30A. Here in the northeast, A/C is uncommon. Winters are so harsh that very few folks stay here over the winter.

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[john stevenson]

Rich,
Which of course is why so many of us went south and need A/C. Of course
with Global Warming we also need space heaters. Go figure.
Freezin’ my butt off in FL.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:38 PM, <> wrote:

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John
Thanks for the tip. Unless you have A/C or electric heat on your boat, I
can’t see the need for more than 30A. Here in the northeast, A/C is
uncommon. Winters are so harsh that very few folks stay here over the
winter.

Rich

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[john stevenson]

Just checked my Calder on those “Y” adapters that combine 2 30A/125VAC
sources into one 50A/250VAC circuit. Those adapters will not complete the
connection to the boat if the two sources are in phase. The adapter will
provide 50A/250VAC 2-phase power to the boat only if the 2 30A/125VAC
sources are out of phase, which I guess is what adjacent 30A sources
normally would be. If you need a single 50A/125VAC source then you will
need another adapter to pickup only one of the phases provided by the “Y”.
The cost of all of these adapters is probably over $500.
Calder also recommends the dual 30A inputs rather than a single 50A/125VAC
inlet for simplicity and lower cost.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:48 PM, John Stevenson
<>wrote:

Quote:

Rich,
Which of course is why so many of us went south and need A/C. Of course
with Global Warming we also need space heaters. Go figure.
Freezin’ my butt off in FL.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:38 PM, <> wrote:

Quote:

John
Thanks for the tip. Unless you have A/C or electric heat on your boat, I
can’t see the need for more than 30A. Here in the northeast, A/C is
uncommon. Winters are so harsh that very few folks stay here over the
winter.

Rich

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