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Tor,
Thanks for the pics. I've got to do something about that foredeck area this year – getting a little sponginess around the old deck pipe. I would prefer not to lose the deck well as it is a convenient place to drop the chain (my horizontal windlass is forward of the locker) and clean it up a bit before dropping it down the deck pipe. However I do like you solution. I'm thinking of a middle solution – cut the well in half so I still have a place to drop the chain before it goes below, but still have enough solid deck to mount a vertical windlass similar to what you have done.What if anything have you done about the locker door at the foot of the V-Berth. Since I went to 275' of chain I find the chain shifts underway and knocks the lightly held door into the berth. Then some of the chain spills onto the berth. I'm looking to come up with a positive latching door with sufficient strength to hold back the chain, but the trapezoid shape doesn't work for that. I assume I'll bet cutting that bulkhead for whatever door I choose.
John
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Linus asked me about my chain locker & foredeck rebuild, so I thought I'd share some photos of it with the
group. Sorry, I haven't learned how to post this kind of thing on the 424 web site, or if these would even
belong there.The attached photos should answer some questions about that project (and could probably generate others). It
turned out that, because I positioned the vertical windlass to pull from the center of the deck to service
both anchors, neither anchor roller chute was lined up properly when the installation was completed. I'm now
changing their angle to slightly-pigeon-toed so the rodes lead fair to the windlass. Also not shown is the
2-piece, removable chain locker divider (I can take a photo of that if anyone wants one), but you can see the
2×4 slot-holders for it in one or two of these photos. With the divider (and the rodes) removed I can squeeze
into the chain locker through the forepeak bulkhead hatch, enough to reach much of the stuff in there for
servicing.Tor
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Hi John,
I have the same door as you (some of us seem to have rectangular doors). I was thinking of simply adding 4 slidebolts with blocks underneath to match the height of the door. Maybe not the prettiest thing in the world, but solid and it's only my feet down there…
Bob
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Tor,
Thanks for the pics. I've got to do something about that foredeck area this year – getting a little sponginess around the old deck pipe. I would prefer not to lose the deck well as it is a convenient place to drop the chain (my horizontal windlass is forward of the locker) and clean it up a bit before dropping it down the deck pipe. However I do like you solution. I'm thinking of a middle solution – cut the well in half so I still have a place to drop the chain before it goes below, but still have enough solid deck to mount a vertical windlass similar to what you have done.What if anything have you done about the locker door at the foot of the V-Berth. Since I went to 275' of chain I find the chain shifts underway and knocks the lightly held door into the berth. Then some of the chain spills onto the berth. I'm looking to come up with a positive latching door with sufficient strength to hold back the chain, but the trapezoid shape doesn't work for that. I assume I'll bet cutting that bulkhead for whatever door I choose.
John
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Linus asked me about my chain locker & foredeck rebuild, so I thought I'd share some photos of it with the
group. Sorry, I haven't learned how to post this kind of thing on the 424 web site, or if these would even
belong there.The attached photos should answer some questions about that project (and could probably generate others). It
turned out that, because I positioned the vertical windlass to pull from the center of the deck to service
both anchors, neither anchor roller chute was lined up properly when the installation was completed. I'm now
changing their angle to slightly-pigeon-toed so the rodes lead fair to the windlass. Also not shown is the
2-piece, removable chain locker divider (I can take a photo of that if anyone wants one), but you can see the
2×4 slot-holders for it in one or two of these photos. With the divider (and the rodes) removed I can squeeze
into the chain locker through the forepeak bulkhead hatch, enough to reach much of the stuff in there for
servicing.Tor
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Hi John,
I was striving for a full-size, divided chain locker with a solid foredeck over it. I can almost visualize the half anchor well you’re describing, but I’m not sure it’s worth having just to rinse chain. With a deck wash pump (visible in one of those photos) you can just spray the chain clean of mud as it rises from the water, before it reaches the roller.
I haven’t changed the trapezoidal door in the forepeak bulkhead, but could see adding four simple turnstile-type latches to secure the corners (or a single, full-width drop-down latch bar) if shifting chain tends to push the door open. I have not sailed this boat nearly enough yet to discover that kind of glitch. Am planning an East Coast shakedown cruise for that very purpose, though, before I head off for more distant landfalls.
Tor
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I found that a single slide bolt at the top did the job very nicely.
Phil Fontaine
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Hi, Bob,
Actually I purchased a couple of sets of slide bolts before I left Florida (great minds, I'm sure). Purchased them from Home Depot, the bolts used to secure gates. I think they would work, but if I have to do some major fiberglass work (deck sponginess) I may want to do something major with the door as well. Maybe an aluminum hatch.John
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Hi John,I have the same door as you (some of us seem to have rectangular doors). I was thinking of simply adding 4 slidebolts with blocks underneath to match the height of the door. Maybe not the prettiest thing in the world, but solid and it's only my feet down there…
Bob
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Tor,
Thanks for the pics. I've got to do something about that foredeck area this year – getting a little sponginess around the old deck pipe. I would prefer not to lose the deck well as it is a convenient place to drop the chain (my horizontal windlass is forward of the locker) and clean it up a bit before dropping it down the deck pipe. However I do like you solution. I'm thinking of a middle solution – cut the well in half so I still have a place to drop the chain before it goes below, but still have enough solid deck to mount a vertical windlass similar to what you have done.What if anything have you done about the locker door at the foot of the V-Berth. Since I went to 275' of chain I find the chain shifts underway and knocks the lightly held door into the berth. Then some of the chain spills onto the berth. I'm looking to come up with a positive latching door with sufficient strength to hold back the chain, but the trapezoid shape doesn't work for that. I assume I'll bet cutting that bulkhead for whatever door I choose.
John
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Linus asked me about my chain locker & foredeck rebuild, so I thought I'd share some photos of it with the
group. Sorry, I haven't learned how to post this kind of thing on the 424 web site, or if these would even
belong there.The attached photos should answer some questions about that project (and could probably generate others). It
turned out that, because I positioned the vertical windlass to pull from the center of the deck to service
both anchors, neither anchor roller chute was lined up properly when the installation was completed. I'm now
changing their angle to slightly-pigeon-toed so the rodes lead fair to the windlass. Also not shown is the
2-piece, removable chain locker divider (I can take a photo of that if anyone wants one), but you can see the
2×4 slot-holders for it in one or two of these photos. With the divider (and the rodes) removed I can squeeze
into the chain locker through the forepeak bulkhead hatch, enough to reach much of the stuff in there for
servicing.Tor
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John,
I understand the urge to waterproof that access hatch, but you might want to allow for some ventilation through the chain locker, too. Perhaps there’s no harm in leaving nylon line and galvanized chain permanently wet in a closed compartment, but it doesn’t seem like the ideal. I actually made a simple dorade that can perch over the open deck pipe in port, funneling a breeze into the chain locker. The slotted hatch in the forepeak bulkhead gives that air someplace to exit, creating a freshening, drying cross flow. (Of course, if you’ve been anchoring in a lot of cruddy places, it might also funnel a not so fresh odor into the cabin! But then it’s probably time to clean the locker.)
Just thoughts.
Tor
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Part of my thinking on a small well to clean the chain is that I still have a manual windlass. That makes cranking the chain and washing it at the same time a challenge for me (then again chewing gum and walking a straight line has become a challenge lately). If I convert to an electric windlass then I should be up to doing two things at once. Not very many boat units left in my IRA so maybe I should spend it before the Stimulus Package takes it all away.
John
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:John,I understand the urge to waterproof that access hatch, but you might want to allow for some ventilation through the chain locker, too. Perhaps there's no harm in leaving nylon line and galvanized chain permanently wet in a closed compartment, but it doesn't seem like the ideal. I actually made a simple dorade that can perch over the open deck pipe in port, funneling a breeze into the chain locker. The slotted hatch in the forepeak bulkhead gives that air someplace to exit, creating a freshening, drying cross flow. (Of course, if you've been anchoring in a lot of cruddy places, it might also funnel a not so fresh odor into the cabin! But then it's probably time to clean the locker.)
Just thoughts.
Tor
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I like to think of it as doing my part to stimulate the economy, with the added benefit of enhancing my lifestyle. Or maybe it’s the other way around.
Incidentally, the Simpson Lawrence manual windlass that came with my boat was in pretty good shape, not having been used too much in its long life. So after I removed it I cleaned it up, gave it a proper paint job (from zinc chromate primer to a presentable enamel paint finish), and posted it for sale on eBay. It fetched such an unexpectedly high price that it more than half paid for the new Lofrans 1500 electric windlass that replaced it. I was amazed and, of course, very pleased.
Tor
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Tor,
Yes it is amazing what people will pay or not pay on eBay. When I was prepping Sarah for the sail to Europe I had a 21-year old Aries from my previous boat. It was in excellent shape and had served me well, but I decided to go with the Monitor instead. I put the Aries up for sale and got more than half the cost of the monitor. Actually I got more than I paid for it in 1983. The guy who bought it was delighted with the price and the condition, so it was win-win. Sounds just like your experience.John
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:I like to think of it as doing my part to stimulate the economy, with the added benefit of enhancing my lifestyle. Or maybe it's the other way around.Incidentally, the Simpson Lawrence manual windlass that came with my boat was in pretty good shape, not having been used too much in its long life. So after I removed it I cleaned it up, gave it a proper paint job (from zinc chromate primer to a presentable enamel paint finish), and posted it for sale on eBay. It fetched such an unexpectedly high price that it more than half paid for the new Lofrans 1500 electric windlass that replaced it. I was amazed and, of course, very pleased.
Tor
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