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I’m in the process of altering Silver Heels’ anchor locker and foredeck to accommodate a new electric windlass and some
other stuff. In the process I will be decking over the foredeck solid, like most boats’ foredecks are, and dispensing
with Pearson’s opening anchor well hatch. Does anyone want the original hatch lid? Mine includes a box-like protuberance
meant to cover a windlass beneath it (photos attached).Tor
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Hi Tor,
Why are you getting rid of the locker? (oh, and rumor has it my mast pulpits are on the way! Yippee!)
Bob
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I'm in the process of altering Silver Heels' anchor locker and foredeck to accommodate a new electric windlass and some
other stuff. In the process I will be decking over the foredeck solid, like most boats' foredecks are, and dispensing
with Pearson's opening anchor well hatch. Does anyone want the original hatch lid? Mine includes a box-like protuberance
meant to cover a windlass beneath it (photos attached).Tor
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I got a call that my set and two others(you know who
you are) are on the way also.
alan
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Hi Tor,
Why are you getting rid of the locker? (oh, and
rumor has it my mast
pulpits are on the way! Yippee!)Bob
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Silver Heels
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anchor locker and foredeck to
accommodate a new electric windlass and some
other stuff. In the process I will be decking overthe foredeck solid,
like most boats’ foredecks are, and dispensing
with Pearson’s opening anchor well hatch. Doesanyone want the original
hatch lid? Mine includes a box-like protuberance
meant to cover a windlass beneath it (photosattached).
Tor
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Robert,
I’m not getting rid of the locker, I’m enlarging it. Here’s why: I’m replacing the old manual windlass that came with my
boat with a big, new, vertical electric Lofrans. The new windlass needs to sit an inch or so above deck level to align
properly with the incoming anchor rodes, so I could not mount it down in the existing locker as built by Pearson even if
I wanted to. Also, a vertical electric windlass has its drive motor below the deck, which takes up space in an already
undersized chain locker – undersized largely because of the day-anchor shelf Pearson built into our boats. I can’t use
that shelf for ground tackle. I need a full size, divided chain locker to accommodate 150′ of 3/8″ chain plus 100′ of
5/8″ rode on one side, and 50′ of 3/8″ chain plus 200′ of 5/8″ rode on the other, minimum, all fed by the windlass.So I’m building the locker I need and decking it over. Quite the little project. Neat features include removable locker
divider panels so I can squeeze into the locker from the forepeak to service things, a deckwash pump mounted on a
remaining portion of the original shelf, and a large, opening deck plate forward of the windlass so I can access and
make use of the foremost section of shelf, which I have left in tact.I’m surprised it has taken this long for Railmakers to get your mast pulpits to you. Mine are lying on the coachhouse
waiting for me to get around to installing them. Meanwhile, I’m up forward cutting big holes in my deck, grinding
‘glass, and generally reinventing the wheel. Fun!Tor
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Oh, ahh, I see – I already have the vertical windlass (Maxwell 1200) mounted forward of the hatch. My anchors are HUGE and remain chained to the anchor thingy. In the day locker is about 1/2 of all my 300 feet of chain. There are two hausepipes that lead to the chain locker below the day locker. One has the remainder of the chain and the other 300 feet of 5/8″ three strand rode that attaches to the smaller CQR.
That seems to be ok, although I don't like the anchors hanging about all the time. But I don't want to move them, either. (one's a 66 pound Bruce).
Before I go offshore, though, I'll have to make positive locking and sealing on the hatch and replace that stupid cheesy funnel with something a little more watertight.
That reminds me – I have to change the oil in the Maxwell….
Bob
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Robert,I'm not getting rid of the locker, I'm enlarging it. Here's why: I'm replacing the old manual windlass that came with my
boat with a big, new, vertical electric Lofrans. The new windlass needs to sit an inch or so above deck level to align
properly with the incoming anchor rodes, so I could not mount it down in the existing locker as built by Pearson even if
I wanted to. Also, a vertical electric windlass has its drive motor below the deck, which takes up space in an already
undersized chain locker – undersized largely because of the day-anchor shelf Pearson built into our boats. I can't use
that shelf for ground tackle. I need a full size, divided chain locker to accommodate 150' of 3/8″ chain plus 100' of
5/8″ rode on one side, and 50' of 3/8″ chain plus 200' of 5/8″ rode on the other, minimum, all fed by the windlass.So I'm building the locker I need and decking it over. Quite the little project. Neat features include removable locker
divider panels so I can squeeze into the locker from the forepeak to service things, a deckwash pump mounted on a
remaining portion of the original shelf, and a large, opening deck plate forward of the windlass so I can access and
make use of the foremost section of shelf, which I have left in tact.I'm surprised it has taken this long for Railmakers to get your mast pulpits to you. Mine are lying on the coachhouse
waiting for me to get around to installing them. Meanwhile, I'm up forward cutting big holes in my deck, grinding
'glass, and generally reinventing the wheel. Fun!Tor
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Robert,
I can’t quite picture the set-up you described, but I’m curious about it. Got photos?
Tor
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Tor
I’ll avoid giving my opinions on anchoring here. That would open up a religious discussion. Your choice for a vertical windlass sounds good to me and I like your idea of redoing the foredeck anchor well. I’ve been thinking the whole thing over myself. Please send photos when you are done.I currently have 3/8 HT chain that needs replacement within the next year or so. A couple of hundred feet of 3/8 chain lower the waterline up forward by a couple of inches. I had one continuous piece of chain. Some of the harbors here in the northeast are 50 feet deep, so you need that much to anchor there, but I had to cut the ends off a couple of years ago due to corrosion. I think I have about 150 feet left. There aren’t that many places that need more than 150, but I don’t like to limit myself. I’m considering going down one size to 7/16″, but still mulling it over. I sleep pretty well with what I have.
Whatever you do up there, I suggest that you consider making it water tight or adapted so that it can be closed off for offshore trips. The existing arrangement can take on water faster than it can drain through the tiny drain hole. This can completely fill the well. Without some minor modification, water can find its way under the toe-rail into the V-Berth.
I run part of my chain to the foredeck locker through a PVC pipe. When offshore, I can stow the anchor and run the whole chain below, hanging the last link on the bottom of a PVC pipe-cap.
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Rich,
Not much to show so far, although in fact a lot has been done. Attached is a photo of my Big Hole in the Foredeck. As
you can see, I have cut back the shelf to open up the chain locker to its full potential, so the rode & chain can pile
up in there right up to the main deck level. However, I’ve left the rest of the shelf in place. For one thing, it’s very
strong and a real structural enhancement to the bow section. Also, I’ll mount the deckwash pump on it. Lastly, I’ll use
the foremost part of the shelf for storing stuff I want handy up there, accessed thru a 10″ deck plate.Scary to read what you said about the anchor well filling with seawater! Those of us heading offshore, cruising and
living aboard full-time have different needs than our coastwise, weekend and vacation-sailing brethren. For all their
wonderful attributes, our 424’s really were designed and built primarily for this latter group. No doubt the standard
anchor chain/rode stowage arrangement was and is sufficient for its intended users, but it isn’t ideal for offshore
cruising.When you say you run part of your chain “to the foredeck locker through a PVC pipe,” to which locker are you referring?
My 200′ of chain (150′ + 50′) plus rode will all be in the main, about-to-be-divided and taller chain locker forward of
the V-berth. I tried snaking chain from that locker down beneath the forward water tank into the locker just aft of that
tank, but it would not go through. That route provides ample drainage for any water that finds its way into the chain
locker, but not a clear enough run for chain to pass, at least not in my boat. I would like to store the chain further
aft and lower than the chain locker, particularly for passage-making, and I believe I’ve seen photos of at least one 424
with a PVC pipe running over the top of the water tank for this purpose, but I haven’t made a final decision about that
yet. It’s something I can revisit later, after the main project is completed.As for water-tightness, I am decking over the entire original hatch opening. My foredeck will be flush, solid and
substantially reinforced. The only holes leading belowdecks into the chain locker will be the deck pipes fed by the
windlass, and those I will seal shut with rope caulk or modeling clay before offshore passages.Tor
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Hi Tor,
For you? Anything! Expect some soon
Bob
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Quote:Robert,I can't quite picture the set-up you described, but I'm curious about it. Got photos?
Tor
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Here you go – Now that I've heard from you and Rich, I'll be making my hatch much more sturdy and watertight. Also replacing the ventilator.
Bob
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Quote:Robert,I can't quite picture the set-up you described, but I'm curious about it. Got photos?
Tor
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Thanks for the photos, Bob. You’ve made good use of that configuration with an approach I hadn’t thought of.
Tor
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Hi Tor,
I wish I could take the credit. It's how the boat came. I'm just going to improve it…
Bob
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