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Awhile back there was some traffic discussing the back stays on 424 sloops. I asked a rigger to look at my back stay and he said I needed to reinforce it. I’m sure he is correct.
What have those sloop owners done to fix this. I remember that someone added additional reinforcement with several layers of wood and FRP. I also think I remember someone writing that they had a stainless plate(s) made.
What were the factors that caused you to approach the solution to this prom the way you did?
Any help, ideas, suggestions appreciated.
Lee
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I first trired layers of plywood and fiberglass. It wasn’t stiff enough. I ended up using steel. My notes are linked below.
http://www.richardcarter.net/boat/TransomChainPlate/
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Rich thanks for reposting that. It sure seems like a lot of work 🙁
While looking though Rich¹s site I remember having a question for the group.
What the heck is the purpose of the tab on the back rail as seen in the
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I first trired layers of plywood and fiberglass. It wasn’t stiff enough. I
ended up using steel. My notes are linked below.
http://www.richardcarter.net/boat/TransomChainPlate/
Rich
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Some of the owner’s Sarah for instance have moved the mizzen sheet out there.
http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewUpgradeDeckRig.htm#Running_Rigging_-_Mizzen_Mast-p
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com
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Pat,
That’s where my mizzen sheet block is attached, too, as it was when I bought the boat. You wrote, “Some… owner’s have… moved the sheet out there.” Where else would that sheet block attach on a 424?
Tor
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Hi Tor,
The sheet originally ran along the boom to a block and down to the other cleat and winch. It was an effort to make the 424 even more difficult to manage singlehandedly. Anyone who sailed the 424 for more than 20 minutes or so was left scratching their head.
Oh- the two red Ferraris was so I don't have to make a decision every morning…
Bob
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Quote:Pat,That's where my mizzen sheet block is attached, too, as it was when I bought the boat. You wrote, “Some… owner's have… moved the sheet out there.” Where else would that sheet block attach on a 424?
Tor
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Aaron,
It wasn’t that big a job. I think it took one weekend, or two 6hr days. You need the right tools for the job however. A drill-press, cobalt-steel bits, and a cutoff saw. If you have none of these tools, $500 will pay for them. Somebody else had something similar fabricated, but I can’t remember who. Perhaps he could let us know the cost and effort required to do it that way. After fixing the chainplate as described, there is absolutely no sign of stress. The steel brace behind the plate might be overkill. Aluminum might be easier to work and yet strong enough in this application. If you went with aluminum, you could probably cut the pieces yourself using a sawsall. I think you’d still need a drill-press, but generic steel bits would cut the holes. You could send the chainplate out to a shop to have it cut and drilled. I went with steel because I already failed to fix the problem once. I hate it when I think I fixed something only to find that my repair was inad
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.I think I should have sent the chainplate out for electro-polishing after I finished fabricating it. There some sign of minor corrosion.
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Bob,
Now that you mention it, I remember. That’s where my mizzen sheet was when I bought Silver Heels. It was so obviously impractical I changed it even before I launched her for the first time. I’d forgotten that I did it.
And, now that you mention it, I can see the practicality of two red Ferraris, as well. Easier on the mind, like matching socks.
Tor
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I have a sloop, I could never figure out what it was for.
It still seems strange to me that they bothered to put it there if they didn’t use it on the ketches either…
Someday I’ll find a use for it… Maybe.
On 11/11/08 9:37 PM, Patrick Walters wrote :
Quote:Some of the owner’s Sarah for instance have moved the mizzen sheet out there.
http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewUpgradeDeckRig.htm#Running_Rigging_-_Mizzen_Mast-p
s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.com <http://www.deepplaya.com/>
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Hi Aaron,
All the sternrails are the same for all the 424s and probably the 422s as well. Just like we got the mast rails as a bunch for a good price, Pearson obviously did the same to save money (it's like paying more for soda without sugar or fat). I've seen it used for a sky hook. Ahahahaha!
Bob
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Pretty sure ALL ketch mizzens were sheeted there (regardless of the control). I don’t know where else you could sheet the mizzen.
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