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Does anyone have or know where I can download digital charts of Bermuda,
specifically the approaches and entrances? I’ll need them before tomorrow
morning.Thanks,
Tor
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Have you sent your pre arrival form yet to Bermuda CG Radio?
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On May 14, 2013, at 3:29 PM, “Silverheels” wrote:
Does anyone have or know where I can download digital charts of Bermuda,
specifically the approaches and entrances? I’ll need them before tomorrow
morning.Thanks,
Tor
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No, I’m not sure I’ll need to stop there. Also don’t have a lot of time
right now. Will they turn me away without that?Tor
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They will not turn you away. They will call you when they see you on their radar. they ask an awful lot of detailed questions that you will have to scurry around your boat for. much easier to have the pre-arrival form emailed or faxed to them ahead of time. Then you just give them your boat name And they will have all of your information. They will also ask you for all of your waypoints into the harbor around the reef.
Have a safe journey
AlanSent from my iPhone
On May 14, 2013, at 4:36 PM, “Silverheels” wrote:
Quote:No, I’m not sure I’ll need to stop there. Also don’t have a lot of time
right now. Will they turn me away without that?Tor
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Tor
In 2011 I sailed to Bermuda from the Bahamas….to be more accurate, I should say motored as there was very little wind. Entry Fees, plus purchasing 80 gallons at 8$ per gallon in Bermuda and only staying for 36 hours made it one very expensive place to check off my bucket list….It would have been cheaper to fly in for the 36 hours.
If your heading south, skip it.
John
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John Stevenson, Alan & John Sommer,
Thank you for your feedback, advice and (JS) CHARTS! Excellent stuff. I will
do my best to bypass Bermuda, but it’s pretty windless out there now and I
may decide it’s worth the high price to refuel en route to St. Maarten.
We’ll see.Your input is much appreciated.
Tor
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The last time I was in Bermuda we waited for four or five days so that we would only have to motor for 4 days on the way to St. Maarten. the last three days were perfect sailing. Everyone in Bermuda at the time was doing the same fuel calculations as to how many days they could motor and left Bermuda based on that calculation. The P424 with 80 gallons of fuel plus another 30 on deck is a pretty good range.
Besides that you have to check off the cheeseburger at the White horse Tavern from your bucket list and a dark and stormy.
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On May 14, 2013, at 6:23 PM, “Silverheels” wrote:
Quote:John Stevenson, Alan & John Sommer,Thank you for your feedback, advice and (JS) CHARTS! Excellent stuff. I will
do my best to bypass Bermuda, but it’s pretty windless out there now and I
may decide it’s worth the high price to refuel en route to St. Maarten.
We’ll see.Your input is much appreciated.
Tor
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Tor,
If you need to re-fuel check with Dowlings (St. Georges) or the marina
across the bay (St. Davids, I think). A yacht in transit can get duty free
fuel if you ask nice. You will need to put into a Marina (Capt Smokes or
that other one across the bay) because the fuel has to come from the fuel
truck. If it comes from a pump at the fuel dock you will pay all the duty
and taxes.
Eight years ago we were departing St. Georges and were waiting to get to
the Downling’s fuel dock – didn’t know about the duty free fuel then.
Neither did a delivery skipper on a 100′ sailboat that was tied to the fuel
dock. After taking on 1,000 gallons or so he refused to pay the bill at
$3+/litre. He had to be threatened with jail to get him to pay the bill
and leave the dock so we could take on about 60 gallons.
One the return from Europe I was clued in on the duty free fuel and that
cost about $2/litre. Still expensive, but ….Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:John Stevenson, Alan & John Sommer,Thank you for your feedback, advice and (JS) CHARTS! Excellent stuff. I
will
do my best to bypass Bermuda, but it’s pretty windless out there now and I
may decide it’s worth the high price to refuel en route to St. Maarten.
We’ll see.Your input is much appreciated.
Tor
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Oh yeah – Tor, more info on a place you don’t want to visit.
If you need to pick up provisions, White’s Supermarket on St. Davids is
pretty close to a US supermarket in quality and quantity. Of course you
will think you have been shopping at Dean and Deluca when you hit the
checkout. You can take a bus from St. Georges to White’s, but it’s best to
take a taxi back if you bought perishables.
Alan is right about the info required before being given permission to
enter the harbor. Best to download the form tonight. No need to submit
it, but at least you can gather all the info before you are contacted by
Bermuda Harbor Radio. You can get the from from noonsite.com.
Most of the marinas in St. Georges are $2.50/ft, so that duty free fuel may
not be such a great deal if you need less than 60 gallons.Have a great sail.
Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:33 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:Tor,
If you need to re-fuel check with Dowlings (St. Georges) or the marina
across the bay (St. Davids, I think). A yacht in transit can get duty free
fuel if you ask nice. You will need to put into a Marina (Capt Smokes or
that other one across the bay) because the fuel has to come from the fuel
truck. If it comes from a pump at the fuel dock you will pay all the duty
and taxes.
Eight years ago we were departing St. Georges and were waiting to get to
the Downling’s fuel dock – didn’t know about the duty free fuel then.
Neither did a delivery skipper on a 100′ sailboat that was tied to the fuel
dock. After taking on 1,000 gallons or so he refused to pay the bill at
$3+/litre. He had to be threatened with jail to get him to pay the bill
and leave the dock so we could take on about 60 gallons.
One the return from Europe I was clued in on the duty free fuel and that
cost about $2/litre. Still expensive, but ….Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:John Stevenson, Alan & John Sommer,Thank you for your feedback, advice and (JS) CHARTS! Excellent stuff. I
will
do my best to bypass Bermuda, but it’s pretty windless out there now and I
may decide it’s worth the high price to refuel en route to St. Maarten.
We’ll see.Your input is much appreciated.
Tor
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Tor,
Alan wrote “Besides that you have to check off the cheeseburger at the
White horse Tavern from your bucket list and a dark and stormy.”.Actually the best meal in St. Georges is the fried Wahoo sandwhich at
Evangeline’s.Aren’t you sorry you asked for recommendations. Actually, I guess you
didn’t.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:50 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:Oh yeah – Tor, more info on a place you don’t want to visit.
If you need to pick up provisions, White’s Supermarket on St. Davids is
pretty close to a US supermarket in quality and quantity. Of course you
will think you have been shopping at Dean and Deluca when you hit the
checkout. You can take a bus from St. Georges to White’s, but it’s best to
take a taxi back if you bought perishables.
Alan is right about the info required before being given permission to
enter the harbor. Best to download the form tonight. No need to submit
it, but at least you can gather all the info before you are contacted by
Bermuda Harbor Radio. You can get the from from noonsite.com.
Most of the marinas in St. Georges are $2.50/ft, so that duty free fuel
may not be such a great deal if you need less than 60 gallons.Have a great sail.
Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:33 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:Tor,
If you need to re-fuel check with Dowlings (St. Georges) or the marina
across the bay (St. Davids, I think). A yacht in transit can get duty free
fuel if you ask nice. You will need to put into a Marina (Capt Smokes or
that other one across the bay) because the fuel has to come from the fuel
truck. If it comes from a pump at the fuel dock you will pay all the duty
and taxes.
Eight years ago we were departing St. Georges and were waiting to get to
the Downling’s fuel dock – didn’t know about the duty free fuel then.
Neither did a delivery skipper on a 100′ sailboat that was tied to the fuel
dock. After taking on 1,000 gallons or so he refused to pay the bill at
$3+/litre. He had to be threatened with jail to get him to pay the bill
and leave the dock so we could take on about 60 gallons.
One the return from Europe I was clued in on the duty free fuel and that
cost about $2/litre. Still expensive, but ….Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:John Stevenson, Alan & John Sommer,Thank you for your feedback, advice and (JS) CHARTS! Excellent stuff. I
will
do my best to bypass Bermuda, but it’s pretty windless out there now and
I
may decide it’s worth the high price to refuel en route to St. Maarten.
We’ll see.Your input is much appreciated.
Tor
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The place sounds like a friggin’ nightmare, an emergency only stop. I’ll do
my best to bypass it, but thank you for that very valuable info.Tor
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Sorry you feel that way about Bermuda it was one of the places that I really thought was an accomplishment once I pulled into the harbor a real feeling of self-satisfaction making it to Bermuda.
No bullshit people standing at the bar, everybody got there the same way.Sent from my iPhone
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Quote:The place sounds like a friggin’ nightmare, an emergency only stop. I’ll do
my best to bypass it, but thank you for that very valuable info.Tor
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I stopped at Bermuda 25 years ago on my way to the Azores and Portugal. Nice
place, but they seem to be overdoing the governmental regulations and fees
more than ever these days, and $8-10/gal. for fuel? Come on, Alan. That’s
not just “the cost of shipping it in.” I understand they want visitors to
support their economy, but I’m more concerned with supporting my economy.That said, if you’re dying of thirst you’ll pay anything for a glass of
water. And if I’m running out of fuel in a windless ocean, I’ll pay their
price for a refill. But only then. No insult intended to the brave souls who
have sailed there for a beer. It’s not a top spot on my “must visit again”
list.Tor
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The first time I went to Bermuda, I got the snot beat out of me on the way. I ended up with structural damage up forward. I found the island charming and the people very friendly. Everything there is shipped in so it’s not a cheap destination. I had crew flying in so I had them bring provisions in their luggage. I bought a set of admiralty charts before I left. For some odd reason, it takes a dozen or so charts to cover what is no bigger than Cape Cod. They were expensive and awkward. Once I got there, I found a single local chart that covers the entire island. I have no idea where you get them here.
The second time I cruised there, I took a bigger boat, about 900 feet longer. It was a much more pleasant cruising even though the weather was similar, about 25kts from the south, 15 foot seas. We passed some poor bastards on about a 55 foot sailboat beating into the harbor. They looked miserable, sitting on the rail dressed in their fowelies! If you want to put a notch in your gun, cruising to Bermuda should be on your list. It can be a miserable crossing and is not for the faint of heart. Since the wind is frequently from the south or west, crossing from a more southern departure point can be a but easier.
Rich
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One of my good and very experienced friends suggested I make the forward
water tank a fuel tank. Easily done and adds 60 gallons. This was because
I installed a watermaker, although in my experience you can get water
everywhere on the coast of the US, except the Dry Tortugas. Still, I like
having so much water. I like my shower every day.Bob
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:06 AM, quent wrote:
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Maybe put the money into one of those flexible rubber fuel tanks instead
of the Bermudan economy.
Flew into Bermuda a couple times, and crewed back. Dialogue here confirms
wisdom of sailing other people’s boats. Plus it is much easier to find
North America than it is Bermuda.
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Bob
I bought a 20 gal bladder tank and a 12v utility pump. Whenever I go ashore, I fill the bladder tank. When I return to the boat, I pump the contents into one of my tanks. This more than keeps up with consumption. I got the pump at harbor freight.Unless I were making a very long distance trip, I would think 80 gal provided by Pearson should be more than enough. If I wanted more fuel, the dead space under the galley table would make an ideal place to add extra fuel storage.
Rich
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I agree – I usually carry 6 – 5 gal cans on the toe rail. But a bladder
tank is a nice idea. How do you manage to carry 20 gallons of fuel at a
time? Or do you pump out of the dinghy? I find the space under the table
to be a great storage area.Bob
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I bought a 20 gal bladder tank and a 12v utility pump. Whenever I go
ashore, I fill the bladder tank. When I return to the boat, I pump the
contents into one of my tanks. This more than keeps up with consumption.
I got the pump at harbor freight.Unless I were making a very long distance trip, I would think 80 gal
provided by Pearson should be more than enough. If I wanted more fuel, the
dead space under the galley table would make an ideal place to add extra
fuel storage.Rich
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Oh, ah. Big difference. Thanks.
I’m not being terse. This is from my mobile.
On May 15, 2013 9:58 AM, wrote:Quote:Sorry,
I should have been clearer. I use the bladder tank for transporting
water, not fuel. I don’t think I’d want to deal with the mess of spilled
diesel. If I need fuel, I bring the boat to the fuel dock.Regards
Rich
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