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A week or two ago someone here wrote, “Unless you plan to move around a lot you probably don’t need a guide
book to Bermuda; I found the Imray chart E5 plus government information you can download from their website to
be sufficient. YMMV of course.”Can anyone tell me what/where “their website” is?
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Tor
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Tor,
Not sure who posted that recommendation, so I can only guess they were referring to the Bermuda Harbor Radio site
http://www.rccbermuda.bm/portal/server.ptOn Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
A week or two ago someone here wrote, “Unless you plan to move around a lot you probably don't need a guide
book to Bermuda; I found the Imray chart E5 plus government information you can download from their website to
be sufficient. YMMV of course.”Can anyone tell me what/where “their website” is?
Thanks,
Tor
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Thanks, John. I don’t see anything there about a free chart download. Must be some other site.
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Tor,
They've reformatted the entire sight since the last time I went through it (2001), but they used to have a series of pages on Sailings. They gave the position and characteristics of all Nav Aids and other navigation information for the approaches to Bermuda. I don't think they ever had charts, just a mini cruising guide.
While you have that website – and since you've never sailed to Bermuda on your current boat, you might contact Bermuda Harbor Radio and give them all the characteristics they want on arrival (call sign, radio equipment, documentation number, etc.). I don't know if they will do it that way, but if so it will save a lot of time on the radio during your approach. They will not let you enter the cut into St. Georges until they have all the information they required. If they have Silver Heels data on file they will immediately direct you to the customs dock or tell you where to anchor in St. Georges.I think the only free chart download in the entire WWW is the NOAA one. If you find another let me know.
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Quote:Thanks, John. I don't see anything there about a free chart download. Must be some other site.
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John,
I’m only putting together a little Bermuda info “just in case.” I ran into Don Street at the boat show last week and brought up my idea of stopping at Bermuda on the way from Beaufort Inlet to St. Maarten. He thought it was a bad idea, citing the statistical likelihood in early December of encountering gales along the first leg of that route. I can’t check my pilot charts until I get home later in the month, but assuming they corroborate Don’s prognosis I’ve pretty much decided to skip Bermuda altogether and just sail directly to St. Maarten.
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Tor:
Here is the page that has more info. On the sidebar to the right is a list of lights and a discussion on the approaches to Bermuda.
Here is the info on the approaches:
“When approaching Bermuda from the North it must be remembered that reefs extend up to 10 miles from the island in this direction — consequently it is advisable to keep well to the East and approach St. David’s Head on a course of 226 true. When approaching from the South, St. David’s Head should be safely passed at a distance of one mile or greater, and kept at a bearing of 225 degrees true until St. Catherine’s Point bears 290 degrees true.
In poor visibility, or when a vessel is having navigation difficulties or problems manoeuvring, the safest direction to approach the island from is the Southeast. It should also be remembered that the 100 fathom line is only approximately 1 to 1.5 miles from shore.
During approach vessels should maintain radio contact with Bermuda Radio /ZBR who will normally be able to assist if necessary.
If in doubt about approaching Bermuda at night and entering harbour, vessels are advised to lie offshore until daybreak, or anchor in Five Fathom Hole (32° 23’N 64° 37’W).”I don’t think you need any charts. It is the only land around for over 600 miles. Kind of hard to miss 🙂
Paul
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Street is still alive? I guess he is too much of curmudgeon to ever die. I always loved Don's assessment of things, “Do it my way and everything is fine, do it another way and it is a Disaster”. There are no gray areas with Don. I think “Disaster” is his favorite word. Of course my total experience and knowledge would fit in a tiny corner or what he knows. I would also like to be a curmudgeon at his age (90s ?).
Anyway I think he and you are correct. I'm not sure I would plan to stop in Bermuda, just use it as a place to put in if you get really slammed before you get south of 30N. I think Bermuda is good destination for crews making their first long off-shore passage. It gives them a 5-8 day passage to get things sorted out and comfortable. And of course it gets them east of the GS. And Bermuda is a neat place. I've sailed there 5 times and I would go back again.
I have friends I met in the Bahamas last year who are heading to the windwards from the Chesapeake (as is Alan) and I promised to provide them with a weather routing recommendation. They are going to Bermuda and as this will be their first passage of more than 3 days I wouldn't try to talk them out of it.
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I'm only putting together a little Bermuda info “just in case.” I ran into Don Street at the boat show last week and brought up my idea of stopping at Bermuda on the way from Beaufort Inlet to St. Maarten. He thought it was a bad idea, citing the statistical likelihood in early December of encountering gales along the first leg of that route. I can't check my pilot charts until I get home later in the month, but assuming they corroborate Don's prognosis I've pretty much decided to skip Bermuda altogether and just sail directly to St. Maarten.
Tor
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Thanks, Paul.
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I’ve met Don Street 4 or 5 times over the years, down-islands and at boat shows (and I think once in Gibraltar). This last time he was looking older (unlike me!), but still had a clear grasp of his preferred sea routes & seasons & reasons. As said, I’ll confirm his advice for myself with the pilot charts when I get home, but it sounds right. So I’m glad I asked and glad he answered. Actually, what he said was, “Put a stick of butter out in the galley and sail ESE. When the butter starts to melt, turn south.”
How can you argue with sailing directions like that?
Tor
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I am just getting back to reading my mail. I missed this entire discussion. I am glad Paul L is keeping up with it…. crew for the passage from Va to Bermuda on or about November 1st.
That being said……It seems like the time that everyone plans to go ie the 1500 leaves about the same time and goes pretty much close to Bermuda before heading South.
BTW, John, your friend Dick was here helping me with a SSB problem which turned out to be a bad tuner. I over nighted a new AT140 (replacing my SC230) and we’re back on track (but poorer for sure) As soon as he got on the boat he said ” this is a Pearson isn;t it?” He said he sailed to Bermuda with a guy by the name of Jofn Stevenson and asked if I knew you.
He wanted me to tell you he a new apartment in his new house for you…..
Nice guy, very knolwledgeable and very helpful.
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Alan,
Yep, Dick is a good guy. Don't tell him I said so, but he learned most of what he knows setting up my rig. Of course anyone who owns two town houses in Georgetown would have an apartment for rent,On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Alan < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I am just getting back to reading my mail. I missed this entire discussion. I am glad Paul L is keeping up with it…. crew for the passage from Va to Bermuda on or about November 1st.
That being said……It seems like the time that everyone plans to go ie the 1500 leaves about the same time and goes pretty much close to Bermuda before heading South.
BTW, John, your friend Dick was here helping me with a SSB problem which turned out to be a bad tuner. I over nighted a new AT140 (replacing my SC230) and we're back on track (but poorer for sure) As soon as he got on the boat he said ” this is a Pearson isn;t it?” He said he sailed to Bermuda with a guy by the name of Jofn Stevenson and asked if I knew you.
He wanted me to tell you he a new apartment in his new house for you…..
Nice guy, very knolwledgeable and very helpful.
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John Stevenson
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Alan,
Forgot to ask, but if Dick was working on your boat I assume you are in Solomons. The best restaurant in town is in Zahniser's Yachting Center, pricey but then the portions are small so you don't notice.On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:13 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Alan,
Yep, Dick is a good guy. Don't tell him I said so, but he learned most of what he knows setting up my rig. Of course anyone who owns two town houses in Georgetown would have an apartment for rent,On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Alan < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I am just getting back to reading my mail. I missed this entire discussion. I am glad Paul L is keeping up with it…. crew for the passage from Va to Bermuda on or about November 1st.
That being said……It seems like the time that everyone plans to go ie the 1500 leaves about the same time and goes pretty much close to Bermuda before heading South.
BTW, John, your friend Dick was here helping me with a SSB problem which turned out to be a bad tuner. I over nighted a new AT140 (replacing my SC230) and we're back on track (but poorer for sure) As soon as he got on the boat he said ” this is a Pearson isn;t it?” He said he sailed to Bermuda with a guy by the name of Jofn Stevenson and asked if I knew you.
He wanted me to tell you he a new apartment in his new house for you…..
Nice guy, very knolwledgeable and very helpful.
alan—
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John Stevenson
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John Stevenson
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Still in Annapolis, had to wait for some packages, besides the wheather sucks here so I got a morring for a few days to give the anchor a rest. Supposed to be flurries on Sunday. Guess I am still too far north. Will leave for Norfolk on Monday with a stop in Solomans…
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I was in Fawcetts in Annapolis on Saturday during the boat show buying some parts and there was this really really old guy sitting at a desk piled with books. The desk looked like something from a one room school house. I peeked at the show badge he was wearing and it turned out to be Don Street. He was mumbling to himself…. I started up a conversation with him and we spoke for about 10 minutes. I am not sure I understood much of what he said I am sorry to say. I would have loved to have gained some insight from him.
I did however walk away with, well I had to pay for it, an autographed copy his his book – Anguilla to Dominica so I guess it was kinda neat.
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