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Yes, I have a Dickenson.
I had Garhauer make me a mounting bracket/heat shield. That’s nice.
If I did it again I wouldn’t get the hot water loop. It’s a royal PITA to
plumb it in, and it takes a long time to produce usable water. It was also
hard to find a water pump to circulate the water that could handle heat and
also was not a monster power pig. I ended up finding a 12v magnetic pump
used in solar installs. Maybe if you were SAILING to alaska it would be
worthwhile, but the heater is so hot I rarely run it for the 6 hours needed
to make hot water.I Tee’d off the fuel and added a fuel pump. I didn’t need to do that.
After I got it all together one day I forgot to turn off the valve and I ran
the engine. The fuel line got pressure from the engine and leaked in the
heater, making me realize I could have ditched the engine’s electric pump
and just used the heater’s to pressurize the system enough to fill the racor
or bleed the engine.I had H & L make me a teak block like a winch pad for the chimney.
The stove is awesome. The flames in the window make it like a wood stove,
very pretty. It does blacken the headliner a bit.It runs H.O.T. Hot!!! On high the sides glow red.
On 10/28/09 7:38 PM, “Pete Dubler” <> wrote:
Anyone have a diesel heater on your 424? (that is a heater that runs on
diesel fuel, not a heater for your diesel fuel).What lessons, advice, recommendations do you have?
Thanks,
Pete
owner of this boat. I believe she’s in Lahaina (Maui) and I might
pay to pick her bones for spares.Dan Kalinowski
Lady Leanne II (#135)
Honolulu
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I have an ESPAR D8LC that came with the boat. It works well. My only lessons to share would be don’t use that paper tubing they come with, use something less likely to tear or chafe. I’d use something like this Trident Polyduct which is what I plan to use to replace one of my torn hoses. http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/acduct.htm
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s/v Deep Playa | Pearson 424 Hull #152 | http://www.DeepPlaya.comFrom: “Pete Dubler”
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Subject: boat heatersAnyone have a diesel heater on your 424? (that is a heater that runs on
diesel fuel, not a heater for your diesel fuel).What lessons, advice, recommendations do you have?
Thanks,
Pete
owner of this boat. I believe she’s in Lahaina (Maui) and I might
pay to pick her bones for spares.Dan Kalinowski
Lady Leanne II (#135)
Honolulu
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
I researched heaters for Pelican when I first purchased her so that I could cruise to Nova Scotia, Labrador, Greenland, Iceland and eventually Ireland and England. These included bulkhead mounted heaters, hydronic heaters and hot air heaters.
The final tally was that the ESPAR D8LC was the best overall choice because of size, power requirements, and cost. It would fit in the space in the transom in the coaming. The huge downside was that at the time, ESPAR would not sell to or support and owner install. That pissed me off so much, I decided to go south instead. So I'm in Beaufort NC moored a couple of boats away from Tor.
But I digress.
The simplest heaters are the bulkhead mount ones – their use of power is minimal and they warm the main cabin pretty well. Tor can speak more to that as he has one. I had one on my last boat and enjoyed autumn and winter sailing with it. What I don't like about them is I'm prone to touching things I shouldn't at inopportune times and that includes the heater and its stack. I know I'm a clutz so the less dangerous my environment, the happier I am.
Hydronic heaters use hot water just like baseboard heating in a house. Each cabin gets a little radiator thingy with a fan and the hot water circulates through all of them. The nice thing is that it's dry heat and running the hoses is trivial unlike 4″ duct work. Webasto and others make these kinds of heaters. The disadvantage is they take a lot of power for the pump and fans. They can be plumbed into the engine, too, so that when running the engine heat is provided to the cabin.
If you are handy, make sure the heater you get is owner installable and the warranty will still apply. If ESPAR has changed their policies they have the most popular heaters and parts, apparently, are available worldwide. Wherever you do mount the heater, though, make sure you understand what maintenance is required and what the common failure modes are and that you have access to all the parts you need to regularly replace.
And that, dear friends, is my two cents, which in the current economic environment, is worth exactly 1.27 cents.
Bob
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Hi Pete,
As Bob mentioned, I have a wall-mounted Dickinson “Newport” diesel heater (photo attached) that came with my boat. And as Aaron said, it’s a cozy-looking thing on a chilly evening with the flames dancing in the small window, almost like having a fireplace. Unlike Aaron’s heater, mine does not blacken the headliner, but a little soot does collect around the chimney on deck. There is no diesel odor at all.
I like my installation (for which I cannot claim any credit). The heater is gravity-fed from a 3.7-gallon “day tank” mounted high on the opposite side of the bulkhead from the heater itself, in the aft starboard corner of the forward cabin. The tank’s fill is on the coachhouse above. (The downside there is having to schlep fuel up there and pour it in to refill the tank. Not so bad in port, but I wouldn’t want to make a habit of it offshore.) There is a cage around the stack as it rises from the heater to the overhead, so there’s little danger of someone grabbing a hot stack. A handsome, hefty stainless steel heat shield protects the bulkhead behind the heater. I employ a cabin fan mounted high and outboard of the heater to blow lightly across its top, circulating the heat around the cabin. When it’s really chilly out, I have to close off the main salon to get it really warm, shutting the cabin doors forward and aft. I believe the specs say this model is only intended for boats up to 35′.
Bottom line: What heater you choose depends on where you’re going to use it. For more southerly cruising – northern Florida/Bahamas in the winter, for example – the Dickinson is good enough and a nice piece of equipment to use. (Also, the manufacturer is friendly and helpful.) For off-season sailing up north I’d probably opt for an Espar forced air heater even though the ducting takes up an awful lot of storage space.
Tor
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Thanks Aaron!
Which Dickenson did you get and where did you mount it?
Pete
Aaron Lynch wrote:
Yes, I have a Dickenson.
I had Garhauer make me a mounting bracket/heat shield. That’s nice.
If I did it again I wouldn’t get the hot water loop. It’s a royal PITA to
plumb it in, and it takes a long time to produce usable water. It was also
hard to find a water pump to circulate the water that could handle heat and
also was not a monster power pig. I ended up finding a 12v magnetic pump
used in solar installs. Maybe if you were SAILING to alaska it would be
worthwhile, but the heater is so hot I rarely run it for the 6 hours needed
to make hot water.I Tee’d off the fuel and added a fuel pump. I didn’t need to do that.
After I got it all together one day I forgot to turn off the valve and I ran
the engine. The fuel line got pressure from the engine and leaked in the
heater, making me realize I could have ditched the engine’s electric pump
and just used the heater’s to pressurize the system enough to fill the racor
or bleed the engine.I had H & L make me a teak block like a winch pad for the chimney.
The stove is awesome. The flames in the window make it like a wood stove,
very pretty. It does blacken the headliner a bit.It runs H.O.T. Hot!!! On high the sides glow red.
On 10/28/09 7:38 PM, “Pete Dubler” wrote:
Anyone have a diesel heater on your 424? (that is a heater that runs on
diesel fuel, not a heater for your diesel fuel).What lessons, advice, recommendations do you have?
Thanks,
Pete
owner of this boat. I believe she’s in Lahaina (Maui) and I might
pay to pick her bones for spares.Dan Kalinowski
Lady Leanne II (#135)
Honolulu
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