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    • #225361
      Stella Maris
      Participant

      Hi – I’m thinking about adding an inner staysail on my ketch. I read somewhere once that the boat was designed for this addition. Not quite sure what the length of the stay should be, or where precisely it should be attached to the foredeck.

      Anybody out there who can advise? And how is the stay reinforced below the deck on the inside of the attaching point?

      Thanks for any advice or photos –

      Chris

    • #225362
      Anonymous

      Chris
      I’m interested in what you find out. I have a 422 center cockpit ketch.
      John

      J. WARNER EVANS, PhD
      s/v A Piacere
      Pearson 422 #5
      [formerly, Windsong]

    • #225363
      Ryan Doyle
      Participant

      Hi Chris and John,

      We have a detachable inner stay on our 1983 424 ketch Juniper.

      We have not used it yet, but here is a photo of the attachment point right behind where our furler/forestay attaches.

      We know this as a Solent stay. Whether that’s the correct term, I’m not sure. The stay is wire and has a large lever and clasp that attaches to that point For easy hookup. Tension is adjusted by a halyard at the base of the main.

      I hope this is helpful. The boat is currently wrapped up on the hard otherwise I’d make a little video and show you how it attaches.

      Regards,
      Ryan and Kathleen
      Juniper

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    • #225366
      Ryan Doyle
      Participant

      A closer photo

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    • #225368
      Stella Maris
      Participant

      Thanks, Ryan, but I’m looking for an actual inner stay, not a solent. They look to be placed further back, in the deck over the V-berth.

      I am curious, though – what’s the purpose of this particular solent, so close to the forestay? Will you run a drifter or something on it in light wind?

      And where do you store the stay to keep it out of the way when it’s not hooked onto the foredeck?

      Thanks – Chris

    • #225377
      Stella Maris
      Participant

      John – there’s a great discussion about all of this from about four years ago here:

      Solent Stay

      It looks as though a true stay sail would attach to a fitting directly aft of the anchor locker bulkhead, reinforced under the deck with a chainplate fitting that transfers the stress to the bulkhead itself. Pretty simple and ingenious.

      Lord, there’s a lot of great stuff in the forum archives of this site.

      Chris

    • #225385
      Bryan Bywalec
      Keymaster

      Not Pearson specific but generally an inner stay runs parallel to the forestay and meets the mast at the same place as the head of a reefed main sail. This way the leech of the mainsail helps support the load from the inner stay; otherwise you’d have to consider check stays to prevent the staysail from bending the mast at the attachment point. 2/3 up the mast is a general location and parallel to the forestay from there…

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      Bryan Bywalec
      S/V Pelican, Hull 209
      Siren Engineering, LLC

    • #225389
      Pjfuce
      Participant

      i have a cutter rigged ketch, i have yet to fly the storm jib but i did rig it up see pics attached. i have running back stays on main and mizzen mast, i will take additional pics of how storm stay connects to deck which is behind anchor winch.

      paul

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    • #225391
      Dennis Home
      Participant

      I have flown my yankee in 40 knots of wind with a double reefed main it sails along very comfortably.

    • #225392
      Dennis Home
      Participant

      Having trouble including pictures.

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    • #225397
      Stella Maris
      Participant

      These are great pictures, Dennis, thanks so much. A couple of questions for you-

      1) how did you attach the tangs to the mast for the back stays? Did you reinforce the mast in any way at that position?

      2) Do the running backstays attach directly to the toe rail?

      3) I’m having a hard time seeing in the pictures what you’re showing me in the anchor locker and the windlass.

      4) Just out of curiosity, what does that 1/2″ metal plate with the holes in it in the anchor locker do for you?

      Thanks again – this is a huge help.

      Chris

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