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the lift operator said it was the first time he ever had anyone slip
in the straps like that. anyone know riggers within 25 miles of
Brooklyn, ny? I need an inspection and a little work on the old
mizzen. any experience you may have had using the short mast to stop
the boat falling would also be appreciated.-Adam Silverstein-iPhone
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actually, both. the boat slipped in the travellift and the result was an
unintentional unstepping of the mizzen. I need an inspection of the step
and rigging, and at least one mizzen shroud, two running backs with
attachment points, and a new halyard (and probably the sheave). Hence the
request for a local rigger.
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Bummer. I know there are some good yards and, presumably, riggers in Mamaroneck, NY, but I don’t have any specific names. Must be some closer to Brooklyn on Long Island, too.
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Call uyour boat insurance company or Boat US insurance, and ask for a nmae of a SAMS/NAMS member marine surveyor. Have the surveyor bring in arigger/engineer as a consultant as necessary. Don’t have some rigger guessing about damage that may be pretty well concealed from the untrained eye.
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H Shit what happened?
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At least you are a god lawyer and don’t have to find one of those. I would
sound the hull and check all the rigging and the step. Need any advice call
me. Once I had a fuel truck back in to the wing of a small plane. Operator
said he’d fix the wing tip. Problem was, he sheared the attach bolt pins of
the wing to the fuselage and if the aircraft had been flown would have
killed me and anyone in it. I learned about [boating/flying] from that.
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I love that column! I’m AOPA Panel counsel. I represented a guy who bent
back the metal, got back in the plane and flew away. He was an engineer, so
gravity was a lesser concern than for the rest of us saps. Judge Fowler
heard that case.I’ll call Markel
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The mast step is aluminum and is (was) secured to the timber under the deck with only lag bolts. Take advantage of the situation and have a new one made from FRP. You can make it by laminating some 1/2″ thick pieces together with 5200. The mast won't bond to it due to corrosion. The loads on the mizzen are minimal compared to the main and repairs shouldn't prove to be that tough. You'll get new chainplates bonded to new glass plus new shrouds! It reads as if the boat shifted in the sling and didn't strike yard surface.
My operator snagged the prop during the pre-purchase haul out for inspection, the boat was lifted only enough to see it was hung. It bent the output shaft, it was a soft metal, maybe bronze? The yard took responsibility and was very supportive in the fix, replacing the cut less bearing and upgrading the shaft to ss. They also had the max prop serviced to ensure it suffered no damage. The strut and its mount location I now know are nearly bomb proof.
I now turn the shaft by hand once the slings are in place prior to lifting. The running backstays on the mizzen must be completely eased but I'm sure you guys are aware of this. The 424, 422 and sister 365 are a bear to sling.
Operating a travel lift is a thankless and challenging job, the poor guy probably only hears about his one mistake and never the 500 other successful lifts he does each fall. They day of haul out I bring hot donuts from Krispy Kreme, spring launch gets a couple case of Heiney's for the yard staff.
Stuff happens.
Chuck
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the lift operator said it was the first time he ever had anyone slip in the straps like that. anyone know riggers within 25 miles of Brooklyn, ny? I need an inspection and a little work on the old mizzen. any experience you may have had using the short mast to stop the boat falling would also be appreciated.
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John Yodice and I go back 25 years. The man who folded Eastern Av.
Underwriters in to Avemco and made it something is my PE investor in my
insurance company.
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Adam,
On City Island, Jeff Lazzar located out of Consolidated Yard. I have not used him but I have been told he is very good.
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I pull my boat at least once a year, sometimes twice. There should be no reason for the boat to slip in the slings, but you probably know this. I have the yard place the aft sling just aft of the cockpit winches . This puts the sling just forward of the skeg and aft of the propeller. If the hoist is large, you may need to tie the two slings together so that the forward sling doesn’t slide forward. Any competent yard should be able to rig the forward sling, but they’ll need guidance about placement of the aft sling. If the owner gives them bad direction, I would expect them to blame the owner. Some folks put “sling” tags on the tie-rail where the aft sling belongs.—
Rich Carter
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I have Pelican hauled forward (an decent sized lift can do this) with the sling on the bow as normal, just forward of the keel, and the aft sling even with the aft end of the coach roof – it puts all the engine weight on the aft sling.
Many yards are unable to place the aft strap between the rudder and prop easily. But whatever happened, get your insurance company involved.
Jeff Lazar is very good – I recommend him from experience.
Bob
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I always show the lifting mate a picture of our 424 in profile. They always seem to know then how to place the slings.
I did have troubloe once when Easy Reach was hauled with a crane, The operator did not set the spreader bars long enough to prevent squeezing the hull and deck to hull join. There seems to have been no permanent damage as they lowered the boat back into the water as soon as they realized their mistake.
Norris Larson, hull #203.
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