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I just removed the sound proofing insulation with vinyl/foam between 2 layers of fire retardant shiney outer layers.I guess with age the foam has deteriorated and now scatters all over the engine compartment -little black flakes.
Is there anything out there that is better for a replacement.Is the sound proofing really that effective- would appreciate some thoughts and comments.
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I gotta post for that!
http://deepplaya.com/engine-sound-proofing/
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On Sep 21, 2012, at 2:12 PM, joe shimkonis wrote:
I just removed the sound proofing insulation with vinyl/foam between 2
layers of fire retardant shiney outer layers.I guess with age the foam has
deteriorated and now scatters all over the engine compartment -little black
flakes.
Is there anything out there that is better for a replacement.Is the sound
proofing really that effective- would appreciate some thoughts and comments.
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Joe,
I did an analytic evaluation of sound insulation in an installation on
my 424 several years ago which ran in Blue Water Sailing. I used the
sound insulation from Sailors’ Solutions which comes in 12″ square
self-adhesive pieces. The “foil” is a very thick material unlike the
junk on most boats that looks like a think tin foil. The foam itself is
also made of layers of different densities that absorb the sound in
different frequency ranges so you get more optimal sound damping. It
is important that you actually enclose or separate the engine
compartment from the cabin. One key element of this was closing off the
“chimney” that goes up the aft bulkhead of the cabin over the engine.
Also, you want a good seal between the top of the dog house and the
sides. I used some stainless steel bent in a “z” shape to cover the top
edge of the insulation on the sides – this protects the edge of the foam
and then the foam on the dog house top sets down on this stainless and
forms a nice seal.Bottom line: definitely worth it with this particular insulation.
PeteOn 9/21/2012 12:12 PM, joe shimkonis wrote:
I just removed the sound proofing insulation with vinyl/foam between 2 layers of fire retardant shiney outer layers.I guess with age the foam has deteriorated and now scatters all over the engine compartment -little black flakes.
Is there anything out there that is better for a replacement.Is the sound proofing really that effective- would appreciate some thoughts and comments.
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Here is a picture of my new engine enclosure with that new insulation.
(The stainless “z” had not yet been installed when this was taken).
This “dog house”, as you can see has a separate top that hinges up and a
front that hinges down to the sole. Also the sides are on hinges. All
are of the quick removal type so you can stack the four panels out of
the way if you need to work on the engine in any major way. Also, there
is a door in the top to access the dip stick and do some visual
inspection without having to take stuff off the top of the dog house.
More details in the “ten wishes” article here:
http://www.dublerfamily.com/Regina_oceani/Regina_Oceani.htmlPete
On 9/21/2012 12:23 PM, Peaboy Walters wrote:
I gotta post for that!
http://deepplaya.com/engine-sound-proofing/
-p
Sent from my Land Yacht
On Sep 21, 2012, at 2:12 PM, joe shimkonis wrote:
I just removed the sound proofing insulation with vinyl/foam between 2
layers of fire retardant shiney outer layers.I guess with age the foam has
deteriorated and now scatters all over the engine compartment -little black
flakes.
Is there anything out there that is better for a replacement.Is the sound
proofing really that effective- would appreciate some thoughts and comments.
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West marine sells a 1 in and (1 1/2 inch or 2 inch) thick sheets of sound proofing with hardware for mounting. Material is similar to the deepplaya.com material.
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I also used the sound proof tiles from Sailor’s Solutions. Much easier to
work with than rolls of foam commonly used. As they advertise the adhesive
is very aggressive, no need for mechanical fasteners, although that is
still an option. I’ve only sound proofed the engine box cover, not the
area aft of the cover. Since the engine area is open to the bilge you will
never completely quiet the noise, but the Sailor’s Solution stuff works
great.
Like Pete, I rebuilt the engine box cover so I could break it down into
four flat pieces: http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewEngineBox.htmRegards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Steven Weinberg, Ph.D.
wrote:Quote:West marine sells a 1 in and (1 1/2 inch or 2 inch) thick sheets of sound
proofing with hardware for mounting. Material is similar to the
deepplaya.com material.S
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Indeed, it was John’s design of the dog house that inspired me.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.Pete
On 9/21/2012 3:37 PM, John Stevenson wrote:
Quote:I also used the sound proof tiles from Sailor’s Solutions. Much easier to
work with than rolls of foam commonly used. As they advertise the adhesive
is very aggressive, no need for mechanical fasteners, although that is
still an option. I’ve only sound proofed the engine box cover, not the
area aft of the cover. Since the engine area is open to the bilge you will
never completely quiet the noise, but the Sailor’s Solution stuff works
great.
Like Pete, I rebuilt the engine box cover so I could break it down into
four flat pieces: http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewEngineBox.htmRegards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Steven Weinberg, Ph.D.
wrote:Quote:West marine sells a 1 in and (1 1/2 inch or 2 inch) thick sheets of sound
proofing with hardware for mounting. Material is similar to the
deepplaya.com material.S
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I also used the Sailors’ Solutions 12″ squares and did all four sides of the
engine box plus the back panel above the box. I found the squares easy to
work with and so far the adhesive and the material of the squares have held
up welll (three and a half years). I had pulled out the crumbling old stuff
a couple of years before undertaking the project so I did experience a
definite improvement in sound level. As others hae noted, however, the
engine compartment is still open to the bilge so one should not expect
miracles.
Phil Fontaine
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Yes, you need sound proofing. I used the stuff from sailorssolutions.com.
it works great. Don’t forget to do sides and panel above engine hatch.Bob
I’m not being terse. This is from my mobile.
On Sep 21, 2012 2:12 PM, “joe shimkonis” wrote:I just removed the sound proofing insulation with vinyl/foam between 2
layers of fire retardant shiney outer layers.I guess with age the foam has
deteriorated and now scatters all over the engine compartment -little black
flakes.
Is there anything out there that is better for a replacement.Is the sound
proofing really that effective- would appreciate some thoughts and comments.
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