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Alan,
I use a manual pump, the replacement for the original Pearson hand pump (PAR or Jabsco Topsider, I think). I use the same pump to drain the frig.On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Alan < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Looking for a solution for the Salt waterpump in the galley?
Electric, Manual, whats a person to do. So may choices……
What do you all have?
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John Stevenson
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Alan
For three years I never saw it, cause the manual pump was broken. I have a manual plastic hand pump, with a switch under the galley next to the trash bin. I can pump salt in to wash with, or the ice melt out of the fridge.
I wouldn’t go electric. Too uselessly expensive and more complicated. I think my replacement plastic was $14 from Defender Industries.
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Alan,
I think my boat originally had a hand pump for seawater. Dumb idea. I threw it out. You want both hands free for washing dishes, etc, so a foot pump is really the only way to go. There was also an original foot pump, a little whale gusher (I think… I’m ashore at the moment) of a type very typical for this. It was set up only to pump fresh water from the tanks in lieu of using the pressure water system. I replaced this foot pump with an identical new one (it fit right in) and added a simple Y-valve so I could decide whether it draws freshwater from the tanks or seawater (from the seawater intake manifold I installed).
I believe this is the ideal approach. I use it regularly now for washing up with seawater when the boat’s in clean water, but have it ready to pull freshwater instead if the pressure system fails.
Tor
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Tor,
I like that idea. I just replaced my foot pump cause the old one leaking. It draws a lot of water. I could add a Y valve in there easy enough. Just need to make sure than no screwups can occur by some unsuspecting crew and end up with salt water in my fresh water tanks.
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Alan,
I don’t think it’s possible for that arrangement to let seawater get into your freshwater tanks. The Y-valve is on the intake side of the pump. Depending on which way the valve is pointed, the pump can draw seawater, or freshwater, or nothing (valve closed). The valve can only be open to one water source at a time. It physically cannot cross-connect the two water sources. Whatever it draws will come out of the pump’s outlet side, which can only go to wherever the outlet hose leads, i.e., the spigot at the sink. So, it’s foolproof in that regard.
Of course, someone could brew themselves a nice coffeepot-full of salt water by mistake.
Tor
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I use two foot pumps and two spouts. One for salt and one for fresh.
The salt is a whale tiptoe, which gets out of the way when not in use.
On spout has white trim and the other black. The fresh pump is a whale
gusher MKIII built-into the cabinet at the base of the sink. The
y-valve seems like an inconvenient “solution”. I find I use both pumps
when offshore (which has been way too long ago…)Pete
Silver Heels wrote:
Quote:Alan,I don’t think it’s possible for that arrangement to let seawater get
into your freshwater tanks. The Y-valve is on the intake side of the
pump. Depending on which way the valve is pointed, the pump can draw
seawater, or freshwater, or nothing (valve closed). The valve can only
be open to one water source at a time. It physically cannot
cross-connect the two water sources. Whatever it draws will come out
of the pump’s outlet side, which can only go to wherever the outlet
hose leads, i.e., the spigot at the sink. So, it’s foolproof in that
regard.Of course, someone could brew themselves a nice coffeepot-full of salt
water by mistake.Tor
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I also think the Y-valve is probably workable, but much less user friendly than the two pump configuration. After you use the pump for salt water you need flush it, the hose, and faucet with fresh water, otherwise you'll get salty water for the first few pumps when you want fresh water. Also you don't want to leave salt water in the pump and hose because it can get pretty rancid after a few days. You have that problem with a dedicated salt water pump as well, but at least you don't need to worry about it getting into your coffee pot.
I want to put my salt water galley faucet on a foot pump as Pete as done. Hand pumping saltwater is not very convenient for washing dishes. A foot pump would work much better.On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Pete Dubler < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:I use two foot pumps and two spouts. One for salt and one for fresh. The salt is a whale tiptoe, which gets out of the way when not in use. On spout has white trim and the other black. The fresh pump is a whale gusher MKIII built-into the cabinet at the base of the sink. The y-valve seems like an inconvenient “solution”. I find I use both pumps when offshore (which has been way too long ago…)Pete
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Quote:Alan,
I don't think it's possible for that arrangement to let seawater get into your freshwater tanks. The Y-valve is on the intake side of the pump. Depending on which way the valve is pointed, the pump can draw seawater, or freshwater, or nothing (valve closed). The valve can only be open to one water source at a time. It physically cannot cross-connect the two water sources. Whatever it draws will come out of the pump's outlet side, which can only go to wherever the outlet hose leads, i.e., the spigot at the sink. So, it's foolproof in that regard.
Of course, someone could brew themselves a nice coffeepot-full of salt water by mistake.
Tor
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Well, just to show there's more than one way to skin a pump, Pelican came with a left hand Whale foot pump. (They really do come in 'handedness'.) A friend sold me a brand new identical pump of the other handedness which I installed on the left side of the galley sink. I took the intake hose from the non-working hand pump and put it to the inlet of the new foot pump, ran a new hose from the foot pump up to the hand pump and eh! voila! The hand pump now works, the foot pump works, too, and the fresh water side is still just fresh water.
My frig just drains to the bilge, but I'm thinking a 't' to the salt water pump is a good idea. That's what I had in my last boat, but frankly, it's really low on the list.
Bob
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Different strokes, Pete (pun intended). For me, less pumps to break, fix and maintain is better than more. In 40 years of (on & off) liveaboard cruising, I’ve never once used a manual pump for freshwater when there was a functioning pressure water system on the boat, and I’ve never had a pressure water system fail. If the electric pump ever does fail on this boat, I have a brand new, identical spare one to replace it. And in the (hopefully) even less likely event that I lose all electric power on board, then I can still get freshwater with a flick of the Y-valve at the foot pump, which for me is an emergency back-up system only.
So, for the way I use the water system, the single foot pump with (emergency) Y-valve is really not much of an inconvenience since I don’t expect to ever use it. Freshwater comes from the pressurized faucets, seawater comes from the foot pump. Simple.
Tor
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I like having a freshwater foot pump because I find it really saves
water without compromising much of anything else for me.As you say, different strokes.
Pete
Silver Heels wrote:
Quote:Different strokes, Pete (pun intended). For me, less pumps to break,
fix and maintain is better than more. In 40 years of (on & off)
liveaboard cruising, I’ve never once used a manual pump for freshwater
when there was a functioning pressure water system on the boat, and
I’ve never had a pressure water system fail. If the electric pump ever
does fail on this boat, I have a brand new, identical spare one to
replace it. And in the (hopefully) even less likely event that I lose
all electric power on board, then I can still get freshwater with a
flick of the Y-valve at the foot pump, which for me is an emergency
back-up system only.So, for the way I use the water system, the single foot pump with
(emergency) Y-valve is really not much of an inconvenience since I
don’t expect to ever use it. Freshwater comes from the pressurized
faucets, seawater comes from the foot pump. Simple.Tor
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