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Forgive me, Dan, but “granny bars” and “chicken bars” are dangerously
flippant terms for something so important, suggesting that a real man
wouldn’t use them. No doubt you picked it up from some “sailorman” who has
never been to sea. Every crewmember who has ever sailed offshore aboard
Silverheels agrees with me that those mast pulpits are absolutely
invaluable. I shudder to think of working up there at the mast in rough
conditions without them. You’d literally risk life & limb and have to work
one-handed, if you could work at all. In some situations it’d be pretty much
impossible to put in a reef. Scary.IMHO,
Tor
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I whole heartily agree with Tor.
Especially in the middle of the night with the wind howling.
To those that call them granny bars, I ask them if they have ever left the dock!Besides they make a great a place to tie off halyards and hang dock lines from. Sort of nautical looking I’d say.
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On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:21 AM, “Silverheels” wrote:Quote:Forgive me, Dan, but “granny bars” and “chicken bars” are dangerously
flippant terms for something so important, suggesting that a real man
wouldn’t use them. No doubt you picked it up from some “sailorman” who has
never been to sea. Every crewmember who has ever sailed offshore aboard
Silverheels agrees with me that those mast pulpits are absolutely
invaluable. I shudder to think of working up there at the mast in rough
conditions without them. You’d literally risk life & limb and have to work
one-handed, if you could work at all. In some situations it’d be pretty much
impossible to put in a reef. Scary.IMHO,
Tor
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I’m in total agreement as well without having the experience of Tor or Alan
(or many others) but having been alone, offshore, in rough seas and working
at the mast. One of the best things I ever added to Pelican and it’s a
great place to hang my wetsuit for drying.Bob
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Alan wrote:
I whole heartily agree with Tor.
Especially in the middle of the night with the wind howling.
To those that call them granny bars, I ask them if they have ever left the
dock!Besides they make a great a place to tie off halyards and hang dock lines
from. Sort of nautical looking I’d say.
AlanSent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:21 AM, “Silverheels” wrote:Forgive me, Dan, but “granny bars” and “chicken bars” are dangerously
flippant terms for something so important, suggesting that a real man
wouldn’t use them. No doubt you picked it up from some “sailorman” whohas
never been to sea. Every crewmember who has ever sailed offshore aboard
Silverheels agrees with me that those mast pulpits are absolutely
invaluable. I shudder to think of working up there at the mast in rough
conditions without them. You’d literally risk life & limb and have towork
one-handed, if you could work at all. In some situations it’d be pretty
much
Quote:impossible to put in a reef. Scary.IMHO,
Tor
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Talk about “having your back”! I’m not offended by calling them granny bars, they do kind of look like a fancy set of walkers. But I’ve been there on a wet pitching cabin-top heeled and thrashing with them at my back….and without. Nothing un-manly about quality deck gear.
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Can you buy them from anywhere, or do you have to have them custom made?
Steve
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On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:57 AM, “Page Two” wrote:
Talk about “having your back”! I’m not offended by calling them granny bars, they do kind of look like a fancy set of walkers. But I’ve been there on a wet pitching cabin-top heeled and thrashing with them at my back….and without. Nothing un-manly about quality deck gear.
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I guess when you look at them like that, Ken, “granny bars” isn’t such a
slight. It’s the term, “chicken bars,” that really throws me. I heard it a
few times when this group was ordering mast pulpits in bulk. Surely, no one
who has been out there in it would call them chicken bars. (And you can’t
tell me they just happen to look like a chicken:) More like, “Oh, thank GOD
bars.”
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Steven,
You missed the proverbial boat on mast pulpits. This group ordered a couple
of dozen sets from a shop in California 5 years ago and got a good price on
them. Excellent quality. Maybe someone who did buy a set and never installed
them would sell them to you. They should fit any 424 perfectly. You can also
contact the shop that made them and get a price for one more set, and maybe
some newer owners here would also like to do that with you and negotiate a
multi-order price break. I have all the original plans for them, so let me
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Speaking of which, if I didn’t have a staysail (that I installed) on
Silverheels, I don’t think I’d ever use the port mast pulpit. As it is, I
do, so I do. On a boat with no staysail (and no intention of ever adding
one), having only one (starboard) mast pulpit up there might look
asymmetrical, but it would be half the price and just as functional as two.
I believe at least one owner did that when we all ordered our rails in 2008.Tor
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Question for the skippers who have installed mast pulpits. I’m assuming you all are doing reefing and mast winch cranking while standing between the mast and the pulpit. How do you get there, from aft or from forward of the mast? In other words, how important is it to access inside the pulpit from forward of the mast?
I ask because a boat place here has a large pile of heavy duty bimini frames. If I bent one U shaped and added a couple forward legs, maybe even secured it to the front of the mast, I might have something similar to a pulpit. I get these thoughts whenever marine parts depot has a sale…
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I think that could work, Quent, but you might want to kick it around some
more and see if there’s a way to modify it further. When the boat’s reaching
on a port tack, the sheeted-out main boom kind of blocks off access to the
starboard pulpit from aft. You can duck or crawl under it, but it can be
awkward, so you tend to go around the forward side of the rail. Also, since
I have a staysail that hoists from the port side of the mast, I sometimes
move between the two mast pulpits around the forward side. And I might
sometimes move between the mast pulpits and the foredeck when weighing
anchor. Otherwise, I tend to enter and exit the mast pulpits more often from
aft simply because that’s the pathway from/to the cockpit and the main boom
(for furling the mainsail and tying in reef points, etc).If you have access to a bunch of tubing and a pipe bender anyway, and maybe
some small stainless steel plate scraps, you could fabricate a proper mast
pulpit much like the ones we had made and just pay a welder to put the
pieces together. As I said, I have the plans (because I drew them), and
anyone interested is welcome to a copy.Tor
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I have a staysail as well and I moved the pulpits a little bit aft and a
little bit outboard so that the sail doesn’t flog on them. I also use a
single line sheet that attaches to the forward bases of the pulpits.Bob
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:I think that could work, Quent, but you might want to kick it around some
more and see if there’s a way to modify it further. When the boat’s
reaching
on a port tack, the sheeted-out main boom kind of blocks off access to the
starboard pulpit from aft. You can duck or crawl under it, but it can be
awkward, so you tend to go around the forward side of the rail. Also, since
I have a staysail that hoists from the port side of the mast, I sometimes
move between the two mast pulpits around the forward side. And I might
sometimes move between the mast pulpits and the foredeck when weighing
anchor. Otherwise, I tend to enter and exit the mast pulpits more often
from
aft simply because that’s the pathway from/to the cockpit and the main boom
(for furling the mainsail and tying in reef points, etc).If you have access to a bunch of tubing and a pipe bender anyway, and maybe
some small stainless steel plate scraps, you could fabricate a proper mast
pulpit much like the ones we had made and just pay a welder to put the
pieces together. As I said, I have the plans (because I drew them), and
anyone interested is welcome to a copy.Tor
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Tor: No insolence intended. They do look like a walker. I was part of the group that purchased them 5 (already?) years ago. They’ve been the last on my rehab list to install. Pulling out the cabin ceiling just didn’t work as my UH student son lives aboard and the admiral is tired of projects when we visit. As remote as we are out here, all of our sailing has been inter island. Weather windows are easy to find, so no challenging treks to the main. When the boy graduates, we are planning our escape to the S. Pacific. The boat will be ready!
By the way, thanks for all your guidance on modifying the anchor locker. I’m really pleased with the new set up.
Dan Kalinowski
Jolly Lama #135
Keehi Lagoon, O’ahu
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