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    • #67666
      Adam Silverstein
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      much as I value signaling my position with a hearty cloud of white smoke, I think (subject to confirmation) that its time I change my head gasket. There is no way it is really $637. That would be silly. I ask of you, who has found one and from where? Or, in the case of Rich or Chuck, made one using an exacto knife and a sheet of something or other.

      ps anyone ever hear of vapor locking the coolant out of a fresh water cabin heater? hot water works, but cabin heat don’t. (fan on, cool air). I recently changed the coolant.
      -adam

    • #73551
      quent
      Participant

      Try Gaskets-to-go either Google their website or on Ebay. They made a couple W-58 head gaskets for me. Actually, since he didn’t have a W-58 gasket to copy, he made the first one free. Way less money than the factory.
      Re the heater, we installed a 12 volt circulator pump.
      Quent
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    • #73552
      Chuck Ruble
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      http://www.thornycroftengines.co.uk/

      They marinized the British Leyland also and still stock base engine parts.

      On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:07 AM, quent wrote:

      Try Gaskets-to-go either Google their website or on Ebay. They made a couple W-58 head gaskets for me. Actually, since he didn't have a W-58 gasket to copy, he made the first one free. Way less money than the factory.
      Re the heater, we installed a 12 volt circulator pump.
      Quent
      Clairebuoyant #132

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    • #73553
      madsailor
      Moderator

      Hi Adam,

      You could vapor lock the heater core depending on whether it's vented at the top or not.  Usually, I crack the hose at the highest point in that particular loop to make sure it's full of coolant.  A better way would be to put a brass valve there with a vent (they are used in heating systems, but I forget what they're called) so you can turn the heater off or vent the system.

      Bob

      On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Adam Silverstein wrote:

      much as I value signaling my position with a hearty cloud of white smoke, I think (subject to confirmation) that its time I change my head gasket. There is no way it is really $637. That would be silly. I ask of you, who has found one and from where? Or, in the case of Rich or Chuck, made one using an exacto knife and a sheet of something or other.

      ps anyone ever hear of vapor locking the coolant out of a fresh water cabin heater? hot water works, but cabin heat don't. (fan on, cool air). I recently changed the coolant.
      -adam

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      Bob Fine
      s/v Pelican
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    • #73554
      Anonymous

      I could be wrong…but white smoke means timing of the fuel pump..not head gasket. I think??

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    • #73555
      Adam Silverstein
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      hmm. timing. white smoke is water vapor or unburned fuel, so it could be either. I thought it could be leak into engine from coolant, raw water, etc. But temp increased from 145-150 up to 180 with lowering of oil pressure (thinking viscosity bc of temp) along with increased white smoke. Head gasket dn necessarily increase temp, I noticed no real loss of power and it starts fine (thanks to a properly primed fuel system – rich carter’s in-line electric priming pump!) So you may be right. I will check valve timing first. Still need valve cover gasket, tho. [drat]
      On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Joseph Steiner wrote:

      Quote:
      I could be wrong…but white smoke means timing of the fuel pump..not head gasket. I think??

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    • #73556
      quent
      Participant

      Adam-
      Look for loss of coolant, exhaust gas bubbles, or oil in the coolant for head gasket problem. If it is fuel and not a head gasket leak, it could be a fuel injector problem.
      Quent

    • #73558
      Anonymous

      Brilliant! Thanks! Will use this for many things.

      Pete

      quent wrote:

      Try Gaskets-to-go either Google their website or on Ebay. They made a
      couple W-58 head gaskets for me. Actually, since he didn’t have a W-58
      gasket to copy, he made the first one free. Way less money than the
      factory.
      Re the heater, we installed a 12 volt circulator pump.
      Quent
      Clairebuoyant #132


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    • #73559
      RichCarter
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      Hmm, I think a head gasket problem would imply other symptions, water in the crankcase, exhaust in the cooling jacket, or soot on the transom. Have you rebuilt your injectors lately?

      Rich


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    • #73560
      Adam Silverstein
      Participant

      Email them in Thailand. What circuit is the pump wired to?

      Adam Silverstein, iPhone

      (“it was horrible,” recounts former child)

      On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Pete Dubler wrote:

      Brilliant! Thanks! Will use this for many things.

      Pete

      quent wrote:

      Try Gaskets-to-go either Google their website or on Ebay. They made
      a couple W-58 head gaskets for me. Actually, since he didn’t have a
      W-58 gasket to copy, he made the first one free. Way less money
      than the factory.
      Re the heater, we installed a 12 volt circulator pump.
      Quent
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    • #73561
      quent
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      Adam-
      Jabsco sells a nice little mag drive pump that only draws a couple amps and handles hot water. It is also used by Mercedes.
      I just ran power for the pump from a switch near the heater. Our pump is in the supply line near the heater, but closer to the engine would be better regarding the airlock problem.
      I made the switch independent of the engine because sometimes you don’t need the heater, and other times you want to suck every last bit of engine heat into the cabin after you shut down.
      If John baker (GTG) doesn’t have a W-60 pattern, you might have to find him an old head gasket to copy. I was happy with his work on the W-58.
      Quent

    • #73563
      madsailor
      Moderator

      The problem is that unburnt fuel shows up as white smoke whereas a leaky head gasket shows up as steam if water gets into the cylinder or black smoke if it's oil.

      If the smoke dissipates within a foot or two, it's probably steam.  It could be as simple as low water flow from the raw water pump.  An increase in temp to 180 indicates more along that line then any other.

      As Rich said, typically a head gasket results in water in the oil.  Check the oil filler cap – if it's got gray goop on it, you gots a big problem.  Water in the crankcase will wipe main bearings faster than you can say, “Oh, crap!”

      Diesels are pretty good engines – strong and true.  Rises in temp indicate poor cooling.  You may have a partially plugged heat exchanger… I found mine plugged with detritus from old zincs. 

      Cooling systems are the easiest to deal with.

      Bad injectors usually result in black smoke (soot, or unburnt fuel).  If they're so bad raw fuel is getting out you'd smell it in the exhaust and the smoke would be white and would carry for yards in any temperature.  Steam condenses quickly.

      That's my two  plus cents.

      Bob

      On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Adam Silverstein wrote:

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      hmm.  timing. white smoke is water vapor or unburned fuel, so it could be either.  I thought it  could be leak into engine from coolant, raw water, etc.  But temp increased from 145-150 up to 180 with lowering of oil pressure (thinking viscosity bc of temp) along with increased white smoke.  Head gasket dn necessarily increase temp, I noticed no real loss of power and it starts fine (thanks to a properly primed fuel system – rich carter's in-line electric priming pump!) So you may be right.  I will check valve timing first.  Still need valve cover gasket, tho.  [drat]

      On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Joseph Steiner wrote:

      Quote:
      I could be wrong…but white smoke means timing of the fuel pump..not head gasket.  I think??

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