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I want to add a second ladder on Morning Glory. Climbing up and down the ladder attached to the stern is difficult even when we are on the dock. I think a ladder such as this one http://www.topsinquality.com/amidlad.htm would be easier to use when loading and unloading the boat while at anchor. Does anyone have any ideas or recommendations about amidships ladders and their relative safety and overall value?
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Lee,
I've always considered a transom ladder as a poor solution. Boarding over the stern while anchored or on a mooring can be a challenge with a sea running or a lot of power boat wakes. IMO, the only reason to put the ladder on the transom is if you do a lot of rafting or you have a swim platform. I went with the Topsinquality ladder in 304 SS. It has served me well since 2005. Pics and description at
http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewUpgradeDeckRig.htm
You'll have to page way down to the Boarding Ladder section. I ordered two sets of genoa track mounts so I could easily set up the ladder on either side.On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Lee Yonkers < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I want to add a second ladder on Morning Glory. Climbing up and down the ladder attached to the stern is difficult even when we are on the dock. I think a ladder such as this one http://www.topsinquality.com/amidlad.htm would be easier to use when loading and unloading the boat while at anchor. Does anyone have any ideas or recommendations about amidships ladders and their relative safety and overall value?
Lee
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I have the ladder pictured on the right. Wavemaker is on a mooring. Works fine.
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On Jul 15, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Lee Yonkers wrote:
I want to add a second ladder on Morning Glory. Climbing up and down the ladder attached to the stern is difficult even when we are on the dock. I think a ladder such as this one http://www.topsinquality.com/amidlad.htm would be easier to use when loading and unloading the boat while at anchor. Does anyone have any ideas or recommendations about amidships ladders and their relative safety and overall value?
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Great for dinghy to boat, lousy for swim to boat. A good swim ladder should be 12 to 16 inches IN THE WATER to make it easy to get on board. IMHO.
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John you say on your site that you also have a fiberglass single step for use when boarding from a dinghy. Any pics of that?
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I use one of these (a 1 step) for amidships dinghy to boat – really works well…
http://www.doylemarine.com/?action=quickstepcat
I also use it to get up and down the transom after raising/lowering the dinghyWe have a folding aluminum and plastic step (very wide and easy on the feet) that we use to board amidships after swimming.. The last 2-3 steps are below the water … makes it very easy to climb back in… we've had some very hefty folks use it and it has performed well… I don't recall the mfg… it stores in a cockpit lazarette..
Rick
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Quote:John you say on your site that you also have a fiberglass single step for use when boarding from a dinghy. Any pics of that?
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Patrick,
This is the single step I have:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/66461/377%20710/0/Quickstep/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=Quickstep&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=Quickstep&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=5&subdeptNum=31&classNum=32On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Rick Dugger < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:I use one of these (a 1 step) for amidships dinghy to boat – really works well…
http://www.doylemarine.com/?action=quickstepcat
I also use it to get up and down the transom after raising/lowering the dinghyWe have a folding aluminum and plastic step (very wide and easy on the feet) that we use to board amidships after swimming.. The last 2-3 steps are below the water … makes it very easy to climb back in… we've had some very hefty folks use it and it has performed well… I don't recall the mfg… it stores in a cockpit lazarette..
Rick
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Quote:John you say on your site that you also have a fiberglass single step for use when boarding from a dinghy. Any pics of that?
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Here’s the Edson step we have. It’s ten times the price, but its a lot more secure. It takes more room in your locker though. I’ve used both. Some modification is needed to either if you have a rub-rail. I added a teak strip to the bottom of mine. No matter which you chose, these make it a lot easier to get in and out of the dinghy or dock.
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Links and pictures.. I love it !
I’ve been eyeing one of these myself, but was always suspect as they looked a little gimmicky, but if you all say they work well I’ll trust you on that, because when things don’t work none of you are shy about letting us know!
We’re eventually going to be putting up a windvane (next year) so our stern ladder will go, plus we think its a bad placement and we don’t like people coming and going over the stern rail. I’m going to go with an amidships ladder andor one of these step thingies. Sounds like both would be a nice setup. Dinghy to port, swim ladder to starboard but I’d setup it so it could be the other way too if desirable.
As always, thanks for the advice and tips!
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Regarding boarding ladders, surely both transom and side mounts have their place. The side-mounted ladder is
best for all the reasons you guys have been listing and I plan to add one to my inventory shortly. However,
first and foremost is the transom-mounted ladder. Here is why I think so.I believe it is essential for a crewperson (or the skipper) to be able to get back aboard the boat unassisted
once they have gone overboard – or have dived overboard for a swim after forgetting to put the ladder down
first. This is especially important for single-handers, but that’s not just Bob Fine and me. There are times
when nearly all of you are alone (or essentially alone) on your boat, such as when your mate is ashore or just
sound asleep belowdecks. If you slip overboard, even at anchor, how are you going to regain the deck? (For
this scary scenario let’s say the dinghy isn’t floating conveniently astern, so you can’t climb into it.)In my opinion there needs to be a way for a MOB to get back onto the boat alone, and I gave this considerable
thought during the couple of years I was refitting my 424. Ultimately, I came up with a folding ladder of my
own design, made by altering the original (factory?) swim ladder that came with the boat. It is transom
mounted, newly offset to one side (to accommodate my new windvane), double-hinged and held up by a lanyard
with a slip knot, the “pull” end dangling just above water level at all times. I had 2 additional
handrail/steps fabricated, which I mounted above the ladder. The end result is that a swimmer can pull the
cord (which is hanging on the other side of the windvane so the ladder won’t come down on his head) and
PRESTO! There’s a self-deployed swim ladder with rungs comfortably deep in the water and, because I made it
this way, angled out away from the sloped transom a little for easier climbing.Two photos attached. If anyone’s interested I’ll take one or two photos of the ladder deployed once the wind
settles down a bit in this harbor.Tor
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Tor,
Neat design, and I agree falling overboard while at anchor should not result in a drowning or even a serious incident. Falling overboard at sea is of course another matter. I've thought about mounting a permanent ladder on my Monitor for the former situation. Something I could pull down from the water, then climb the monitor to the deck. Maybe I'll do that in the future, but for now I make it a practice to hook up my midship ladder whenever i drop the hook, regardless if I'm planning to launch the dinghy. The midship freeboard is such that I can reach up and pull down the ladder from treading water. Still I normally drop the ladder anyway. With an enlarged prostrate those trips to the transom in the middle of the night are becoming more frequent, and the chance of slipping overboard has increased as well.On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Silver Heels < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Regarding boarding ladders, surely both transom and side mounts have their place. The side-mounted ladder is
best for all the reasons you guys have been listing and I plan to add one to my inventory shortly. However,
first and foremost is the transom-mounted ladder. Here is why I think so.I believe it is essential for a crewperson (or the skipper) to be able to get back aboard the boat unassisted
once they have gone overboard – or have dived overboard for a swim after forgetting to put the ladder down
first. This is especially important for single-handers, but that's not just Bob Fine and me. There are times
when nearly all of you are alone (or essentially alone) on your boat, such as when your mate is ashore or just
sound asleep belowdecks. If you slip overboard, even at anchor, how are you going to regain the deck? (For
this scary scenario let's say the dinghy isn't floating conveniently astern, so you can't climb into it.)In my opinion there needs to be a way for a MOB to get back onto the boat alone, and I gave this considerable
thought during the couple of years I was refitting my 424. Ultimately, I came up with a folding ladder of my
own design, made by altering the original (factory?) swim ladder that came with the boat. It is transom
mounted, newly offset to one side (to accommodate my new windvane), double-hinged and held up by a lanyard
with a slip knot, the “pull” end dangling just above water level at all times. I had 2 additional
handrail/steps fabricated, which I mounted above the ladder. The end result is that a swimmer can pull the
cord (which is hanging on the other side of the windvane so the ladder won't come down on his head) and
PRESTO! There's a self-deployed swim ladder with rungs comfortably deep in the water and, because I made it
this way, angled out away from the sloped transom a little for easier climbing.Two photos attached. If anyone's interested I'll take one or two photos of the ladder deployed once the wind
settles down a bit in this harbor.Tor
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John,
Yes, a pull-down from the windvane structure is another approach I considered, and probably easier and cheaper to implement. As for regaining the boat underway, I gave that a whole lot of thought a long time ago. The best idea I came up with is written up at http://www.tor.cc/articles/last.htm .
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Maybe I'm not getting this, but I have one of those folding removable ladders that fit into the plates mounted on the caprail. You know with the keyhole shaped holes? Anyway, the ladder can be deployed port or starboard, and I'm thinking of adding plates to the stern so that underway it's stowed in a deployable position like Tor's but can still be removed and put away. That way it doesn't take precious space in the lazerette.
Since I'm not above having a sundowner or two at anchor I always deploy the ladder on the odd chance that I'll fall in. Fortunately, it's never happened. Well, it did one winter, but that's another story.
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Bob,
Yours sounds like an excellent arrangement. I had another obstacle to overcome, which resulted in the double-hinged ladder I made. I often carry my dinghy in davits. The dink being a fat inflatable, it took some extra planning to make & mount a ladder that could both deploy past it and enable a climber to get past the protruding tube.
I’m sure you always deploy your swim ladder every time you’re about to mix a drink, but others (like me) are likely to forget once in a while. Besides, you don’t have to be drinking to fall off a boat (though no doubt it helps). Anyway, my point was that on my boat I want a way from the water back up to the deck ALL the time, 24/7, in all situations, i.e., at anchor, dockside and underway. How to accomplish that on other boats is a matter of preference, placement and ingenuity.
Tor
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Hey, Tor, I agree. That’s why I’m taking your advice and stowing the
ladder on the stern. It also saves space in the lazerette…On 7/18/09, Silver Heels <> wrote:
Quote:Bob,Yours sounds like an excellent arrangement. I had another obstacle to
overcome, which resulted in the double-hinged ladder I made. I often carry
my dinghy in davits. The dink being a fat inflatable, it took some extra
planning to make & mount a ladder that could both deploy past it and enable
a climber to get past the protruding tube.I’m sure you always deploy your swim ladder every time you’re about to mix a
drink, but others (like me) are likely to forget once in a while. Besides,
you don’t have to be drinking to fall off a boat (though no doubt it helps).
Anyway, my point was that on my boat I want a way from the water back up to
the deck ALL the time, 24/7, in all situations, i.e., at anchor, dockside
and underway. How to accomplish that on other boats is a matter of
preference, placement and ingenuity.Tor
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