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The rubber boot on my cockpit manual pump as given up the ghost. Does
anyone know where to get a new one or a good replacement for the pump. I
believe manufacture is out of business.Cada Grove
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If it is a Whale/Henderson MK5, the kit is a Whale DP9905.
Defender has it:
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|299222|121271|316443&id=674029
with a good picture. You might also want to rebuild the pump while you
are at it. AK8050 is the kit for that.
I paid about $20 and $32 respectively (but I have a boat builder
accounts with some of the suppliers).Hope that helps.
Pete
On 1/9/2012 6:17 PM, Cada Grove wrote:
The rubber boot on my cockpit manual pump as given up the ghost. Does
anyone know where to get a new one or a good replacement for the pump. I
believe manufacture is out of business.Cada Grove
Jubilee No. 100
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Pump is either a whale or edson. Rebuild kits are available still. When I
get a chance I’ll see if I can find it.Bob
I’m not being terse. This is from my mobile.
On Jan 9, 2012 8:17 PM, “Cada Grove” wrote:The rubber boot on my cockpit manual pump as given up the ghost. Does
anyone know where to get a new one or a good replacement for the pump. I
believe manufacture is out of business.Cada Grove
Jubilee No. 100
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Henderson is a variant of Whale. What’s it say on it?
On 1/9/2012 6:38 PM, Robert Fine wrote:
Pump is either a whale or edson. Rebuild kits are available still. When I
get a chance I’ll see if I can find it.Bob
I’m not being terse. This is from my mobile.
On Jan 9, 2012 8:17 PM, “Cada Grove” wrote:The rubber boot on my cockpit manual pump as given up the ghost. Does
anyone know where to get a new one or a good replacement for the pump. I
believe manufacture is out of business.Cada Grove
Jubilee No. 100
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Rich, Let me know cost and I will send money…thanks for help. I do
believe it is a Henderson – I am guessing Whaler now owns.Cada
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I think I have one. Yours for the cost of shipping. Contact me if you
want it.Rich
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Hi Adam,
I purchased a whale mk5 universal.
Orignal plan was to mount it on starboard side under setee in the space aft of the starboard water tank. Pluming to the bilge from under the floor of setee and connected to the shower sump thru hull in the hanging locker. This plan would have allowed operation frm seated in the starboard setee.
However a few things blew the plan – ports on the pump did not aligh in the right directoins for optimal pluming run, bulk head mount would have been a better option.
What i wound up doing is mounting the pump to a board and attaching lengths of hose that woud feed to the bilge and out the hatch so it could be operated from any of several locations.Eric Lorentzon
EFI Sales Development Manager
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On Jan 13, 2012, at 8:21 PM, “Adam” wrote:
Speaking of manual bilge pumps. Those of you who have installed manual pumps inside the cabin, which pump and what location have you chosen?
Thanks,
Adam
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Yes. Still have the cockpit manual. Was adding the interior manual pump to meet ISAF offshore regs.
Eric Lorentzon
EFI Sales Development Manager
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Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 14, 2012, at 4:57 PM, “kalinowski” wrote:
Aloha Eric: did you keep the one in the cockpit along with the new portable one? More back up/capacity is always better.
Dan Kalinowski
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When I left for my first big adventure, I set Pelican up to be SOLAS
compatible. The fully operable bilge pump is a Whale Gusher installed in
the bottom of the hanging locker below the midships companionway. I figure
that if I’m below locked in, I’m going to be on the cabin sole pumping like
a madman reconsidering my atheism.Bob
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 7:25 PM, S V Navasana wrote:
Yes. Still have the cockpit manual. Was adding the interior manual pump to
meet ISAF offshore regs.Eric Lorentzon
EFI Sales Development Manager
412.352.1941
Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 14, 2012, at 4:57 PM, “kalinowski”
wrote:Aloha Eric: did you keep the one in the cockpit along with the new
portable one? More back up/capacity is always better.
Dan Kalinowski
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I don’t have a manual bilge pump installed belowdecks (yet), but I agree
it’s a good idea. I do have one mounted on a portable board, which I
could bring into the cabin if needed and discharge it into the galley
sink. Also have 2 manual pumps in the cockpit, one for the bilge and one
for the holding tank pumpout. The holding tank pump could be quickly
switched to a bilge intake hose via a Y-valve, giving me 2 manual bilge
pumps in the cockpit. Not much help when I’m single-handing since
they’re in opposite corners of the cockpit, but could be useful with
crew. I also have 3 strong buckets and a powerful desire to stay afloat.Tor
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Hi Tor,
The portable pump on a board that can be operated entirely within the cabin
is more than sufficient. In my case, through what could only be termed
incredibly complicated piping, my internal pump can draw on the bilge
(default) or the holding tank. It is in parallel with a macerator that is
can draw on the bilge or holding tank as well. When single handing, I can
usually take some time away from the helm in autopilot to pump stuff. When
the helm is locked with me below cringing, not so much of a problem.On of the projects I MUST get to is to run my normal bilge pumps out the
transom. They currently go through one through-hull with a standard gate
valve (yuck) on the side of the hull. It’s a real kludge, and is, in any
case, wrong and unsafe on a port tack when the discharge could be under
water. Other than that, it’s fine…Bob
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Quote:I don’t have a manual bilge pump installed belowdecks (yet), but I agree
it’s a good idea. I do have one mounted on a portable board, which I
could bring into the cabin if needed and discharge it into the galley
sink. Also have 2 manual pumps in the cockpit, one for the bilge and one
for the holding tank pumpout. The holding tank pump could be quickly
switched to a bilge intake hose via a Y-valve, giving me 2 manual bilge
pumps in the cockpit. Not much help when I’m single-handing since
they’re in opposite corners of the cockpit, but could be useful with
crew. I also have 3 strong buckets and a powerful desire to stay afloat.Tor
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Hey Bob,
My manual bilge pump discharges through the transom. It’s a long hose
run, but I suppose it’s the way to go. My electric bilge pump originally
discharged through an underwater seacock in the forward end of the
starboard cockpit locker, the same outlet the starboard cockpit drain
used. I re-routed the electric bilge pump to a multi-purpose thru-hull
just above the waterline under the head sink. However, that bilge
discharge hose first runs all the way up to the underside of the
starboard cap rail outboard of the head sink, makes a vertical U-turn,
and then quickly joins the scupper drain pipe up there for the straight
vertical drop to the thru-hull. (Does that make any sense?)As part of my early campaign to reduce thru-hulls in the boat, that same
thru-hull handles the midship scupper, electric bilge pump discharge,
watermaker brine discharge, shower pan sump and head sink.The way my electric bilge pump discharge hose runs now, I’d have to bury
the starboard rail to put its top U-turn below the waterline. Hasn’t
happened yet in 5 years. Still, I intend to add a check valve near the
base of that bilge hose next time I’m shopping back in the States,
mainly to keep the hose-full of water from running back into the bilge
when the pump shuts off.Tor
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See, that’s why you make the big bucks. What a grand idea! I can do the
same with my electric bilge pumps by ‘T’-ing into the deck drains. I was
going to take them out of the underwater discharge and make them discharge
about 4″ below the deck. That would remove 4 through-hulls which would
make me happier. I could make the low-down pump discharge to starboard,
the upper one to port, and move the stupid head overboard to one of the
easier to access ones. Right now, the head discharge is so hard to get to
I’ve been thinking of making an access through the head floor to get to
it. What was Pearson thinking, I wonder?On another subject entirely, when I get finished with the current
oversight/delivery job I’ll be buying a new Sailrite sewing machine. I’ve
already got canvas jobs! Woohoo!The only caveat I have with the check valve thing is that it’s never
recommended. In fact, most ‘experts’ think it provides a potential of
jamming up rendering the pump useless. Having said that, I’ve never seen
one jam closed – only open which would be no worse than the current set
up. A vented loop would do to stop backflow. The only water coming back
into the bilge would be the hose volume. I have check valves on my pumps
because they both go out the same through-hull so to prevent one pumping
backwards through the other I need them.I’ve seen people remove the sink forward and put storage in its place.
I’ve thought of this since I never use the sink (and when I mistakenly hit
the water faucet valves get the v-berth soaked before I figure out the
problem) and I can ALWAYS use more storage, it’s a good idea.My water maker brine and dirty water discharges go to the galley sink.
Speaking of that, I’ve been unhappy with my water tanks venting into the
bilge (happier, of course, than them venting into my clothes and
underwear), and would like to vent them into the sinks. Easy enough for
the forward and port tank. Oh, wait, I can vent the starboard one into the
head sink! Venting to the bilge does keep it clean and fresh smelling, but
keeping it dry would do the same, probably.Well, having wandered around the point so successfully, it’s time to get
myself together and make another cup of coffee.Fair and warm winds, rising tides my friend!
Bob
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Quote:Hey Bob,My manual bilge pump discharges through the transom. It’s a long hose
run, but I suppose it’s the way to go. My electric bilge pump originally
discharged through an underwater seacock in the forward end of the
starboard cockpit locker, the same outlet the starboard cockpit drain
used. I re-routed the electric bilge pump to a multi-purpose thru-hull
just above the waterline under the head sink. However, that bilge
discharge hose first runs all the way up to the underside of the
starboard cap rail outboard of the head sink, makes a vertical U-turn,
and then quickly joins the scupper drain pipe up there for the straight
vertical drop to the thru-hull. (Does that make any sense?)As part of my early campaign to reduce thru-hulls in the boat, that same
thru-hull handles the midship scupper, electric bilge pump discharge,
watermaker brine discharge, shower pan sump and head sink.The way my electric bilge pump discharge hose runs now, I’d have to bury
the starboard rail to put its top U-turn below the waterline. Hasn’t
happened yet in 5 years. Still, I intend to add a check valve near the
base of that bilge hose next time I’m shopping back in the States,
mainly to keep the hose-full of water from running back into the bilge
when the pump shuts off.Tor
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A vented loop would do to stop backflow. The only water coming back
into the bilge would be the hose volume.
Since my electric bilge discharge hose T’s into the scupper’s vertical
PVC pipe about 8″ below the deck, a vent in the hose loop would be
pointless. It can’t form a vacuum unless the scupper entry is
underwater, and even then the scupper drain water will run down towards
the thru-hull, not up through the bilge hose loop. At least, that’s my
theory. No, the point of the check valve is just to prevent the hose
volume water from returning to the bilge when the pump shuts off.a new Sailrite sewing machine
Ooo, slick. Wish I had one… and the knowledge to use it.
I’ve seen people remove the sink forward and put storage in its place.
Been there, done that:
Tor
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You’re right – I was blindly doing the standard loop thing. But the real
world requires real solutions, not textbook ones.Fortunately, the sewing machine foot doesn’t go high enough to get my
fingers underneath while running…Bob
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Silverheels wrote:
A vented loop would do to stop backflow. The only water coming back
into the bilge would be the hose volume.
Since my electric bilge discharge hose T’s into the scupper’s vertical
PVC pipe about 8″ below the deck, a vent in the hose loop would be
pointless. It can’t form a vacuum unless the scupper entry is
underwater, and even then the scupper drain water will run down towards
the thru-hull, not up through the bilge hose loop. At least, that’s my
theory. No, the point of the check valve is just to prevent the hose
volume water from returning to the bilge when the pump shuts off.a new Sailrite sewing machine
Ooo, slick. Wish I had one… and the knowledge to use it.
I’ve seen people remove the sink forward and put storage in its place.
Been there, done that:
Tor
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