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I need a new head. The cheap Jabsco that was on the boat just isn’t acceptable. Any recommendations?
Lee
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We really like the old electric model we have. It is very noisy…impossible
to sneek a pee in the middle of the night. One of the newer ultra quiet
models is on the list for next yr.
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Hi Lee,
We have a Raritan PH II that works very well for us and we have been living
aboard for four years with no problems (knock on wood). It came with the
boat and I put a kit in it right away.Jack
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I need a new head. The cheap Jabsco that was on the boat just isn’t
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Hi Lee,
I agree with Jack. The Raritan PH II works and works and works. Rebuilding
is easy, the kit is about $60, and I’m very happy with it.I’ve had the PH II on my last three boats including this one. I actually
replaced the Jabsco one on my Ranger with the Raritan but at that time, they
were only $150 or so.Apparently, the price of pooping has become astronomical. They run much,
much more now. I suspect the theory is that you’re going to poo – there’s
nothing you can do about it. So we (Raritan) can charge what we want!
Muahhahahahahaha!Still, it’s a good head and it can be electrified.
Bob
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Hi Lee,
We have a Raritan PH II that works very well for us and we have been living
aboard for four years with no problems (knock on wood). It came with the
boat and I put a kit in it right away.Jack
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I need a new head. The cheap Jabsco that was on the boat just isn’t
acceptable. Any recommendations?Lee
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Lee I think that you can buy direct from Raritan.
Jack
Xanadu IVOn Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Robert Fine <> wrote:
Hi Lee,
I agree with Jack. The Raritan PH II works and works and works.
Rebuilding
is easy, the kit is about $60, and I’m very happy with it.I’ve had the PH II on my last three boats including this one. I actually
replaced the Jabsco one on my Ranger with the Raritan but at that time,
they
were only $150 or so.Apparently, the price of pooping has become astronomical. They run much,
much more now. I suspect the theory is that you’re going to poo – there’s
nothing you can do about it. So we (Raritan) can charge what we want!
Muahhahahahahaha!Still, it’s a good head and it can be electrified.
Bob
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wrote:
Hi Lee,
We have a Raritan PH II that works very well for us and we have beenliving
aboard for four years with no problems (knock on wood). It came with the
boat and I put a kit in it right away.Jack
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wrote:
I need a new head. The cheap Jabsco that was on the boat just isn’t
acceptable. Any recommendations?Lee
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Lee,
I think Pete Dubler has a WC Skipper head for sale. IMO that’s is the best
flushing marine toilet ever made. A friend had one on his Cabo Rice. It’s
nearly indestructible. Next to that, I agree the PH II is a good option.
Even better option is to do away with all that plumbing and go with a
composting head. I believe that is the reason Pete has the Skipper for
sale.On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Jack P Clarke <>wrote:
Lee I think that you can buy direct from Raritan.
Jack
Xanadu IVOn Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Robert Fine <> wrote:
Hi Lee,
I agree with Jack. The Raritan PH II works and works and works.
Rebuilding
is easy, the kit is about $60, and I’m very happy with it.I’ve had the PH II on my last three boats including this one. I actually
replaced the Jabsco one on my Ranger with the Raritan but at that time,
they
were only $150 or so.Apparently, the price of pooping has become astronomical. They run much,
much more now. I suspect the theory is that you’re going to poo –there’s
nothing you can do about it. So we (Raritan) can charge what we want!
Muahhahahahahaha!Still, it’s a good head and it can be electrified.
Bob
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wrote:
Hi Lee,
We have a Raritan PH II that works very well for us and we have beenliving
aboard for four years with no problems (knock on wood). It came with
the
boat and I put a kit in it right away.
Jack
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wrote:
I need a new head. The cheap Jabsco that was on the boat just isn’t
acceptable. Any recommendations?Lee
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We have the PH II also. Its reliable, easy to rebuild, and parts are reasonable and easy to find. Its not quite as expensive looking as some of the fancy units, but it works for us.
Avoid the PH-E II electric version. They just stick a motor on the existing handle. It flushes more slowly and consumes power. Why bother?
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Rich
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Totally agree! Our PH II works fine, and I like getting parts directly from the Defender catalogue.
We go through seals…but they are easy to replace.Joe,
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I have a Wilcox Crittendren Skipper head for sale. Best head (huge
joker valve) ever made but with the new laws, I am planning to go to a
composting head. Also have full rebuild kit for it.Also have an Electro-san up for sale.
Pete
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I need a new head. The cheap Jabsco that was on the boat just isn’t acceptable. Any recommendations?
Lee
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All correct John….
Thanks,
Pete
On 5/11/2010 10:54 AM, John Stevenson wrote:
Lee,
I think Pete Dubler has a WC Skipper head for sale. IMO that’s is the best
flushing marine toilet ever made. A friend had one on his Cabo Rice. It’s
nearly indestructible. Next to that, I agree the PH II is a good option.
Even better option is to do away with all that plumbing and go with a
composting head. I believe that is the reason Pete has the Skipper for
sale.On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Jack P Clarke<>wrote:
Lee I think that you can buy direct from Raritan.
Jack
Xanadu IVOn Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Robert Fine<> wrote:
Hi Lee,
I agree with Jack. The Raritan PH II works and works and works.
Rebuilding
is easy, the kit is about $60, and I’m very happy with it.I’ve had the PH II on my last three boats including this one. I actually
replaced the Jabsco one on my Ranger with the Raritan but at that time,
they
were only $150 or so.Apparently, the price of pooping has become astronomical. They run much,
much more now. I suspect the theory is that you’re going to poo –there’s
nothing you can do about it. So we (Raritan) can charge what we want!
Muahhahahahahaha!Still, it’s a good head and it can be electrified.
Bob
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Jack P Clarke<
wrote:
Hi Lee,
We have a Raritan PH II that works very well for us and we have beenliving
aboard for four years with no problems (knock on wood). It came with
the
boat and I put a kit in it right away.
Jack
Xanadu IVOn Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Lee Yonkers<>
wrote:
I need a new head. The cheap Jabsco that was on the boat just isn’t
acceptable. Any recommendations?Lee
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Here’s another vote for the PH-II. It works great for us and rebuild kits are even easy to get here in HI. I’m just wrestling with the accretion build up in the line from the head to the tank as the PO never bothered to treat it. I’ll be back on board in two weeks and am certainly “looking forward” to replacing that hose.
Dan Kalinowski
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Here’s another vote for the PH-II. It works great for us and rebuild kits are even easy to get here in HI. I’m just wrestling with the accretion build up in the line from the head to the tank as the PO never bothered to treat it. I’ll be back on board in two weeks and am certainly “looking forward” to replacing that hose.
Dan Kalinowski
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We ripped all that mess out and put in a composting head.
http://deepplaya.com/post/Installing-the-Composting-Head.aspxhttp://www.natureshead.net/marine.html
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Here’s another vote for the PH-II. It works great for us and rebuild kits
are even easy to get here in HI. I’m just wrestling with the accretion
build up in the line from the head to the tank as the PO never bothered to
treat it. I’ll be back on board in two weeks and am certainly “looking
forward” to replacing that hose.Dan Kalinowski
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Dan
You probably know about using white vinegar to clean the inside of the hoses. If not, give it a try.I wrapped our sanitation hoses with Saran Wrap and covered the plastic wrap with duck tape. I read an article in Practical Sailor a few years back that recommended that product as a method to reduce odor. I think it works, but its not foolproof. At least its cheap.
My lovely wife has this thing for clorox. Anything on our boat or in our house that doesn’t move quick enough gets a periodic wipe-down with the stuff. She likes dumping some in the toilet every now and then. We usually follow with about a TBSP of vegetable oil. I doubt it helps with the build-up in the hoses, but it makes sure that what we flush through our MSD is sterile. It eventually eats the plastic and rubber in the pump body however. A replacement pump was under $100 the last time I bought one. I don’t recommend this approach if you use a holding tank.
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You can use a flush of muriatic acid. It’s available from Lowes or Home
Depot. Mix it to half strength, pump through head to fill line. Let sit
for half and hour. Flush with fresh water. If the hose is still good,
you’ll be fine for another year. If it isn’t, it won’t be any better, but
it won’t be worse either.Or you can use full strength vinegar. Fill line, let soak for a day,
flush. Repeat.Finally, throw some vegetable oil down the thing, and pump through slowly.
You should be good to go…
Bob
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Here’s another vote for the PH-II. It works great for us and rebuild kits
are even easy to get here in HI. I’m just wrestling with the accretion
build up in the line from the head to the tank as the PO never bothered to
treat it. I’ll be back on board in two weeks and am certainly “looking
forward” to replacing that hose.Dan Kalinowski
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Dan
I know you all probably know how to run that hose easily but when I replaced
the head hose I was having trouble getting it to make the turn under the
floor. There was only a couple inches where the hose came down between the
floor and the hull. My wife came up with the idea of running a line through
the new hose and tying it off at the back end. I was able to reach over
with a vacuum cleaner hose and grab the line and pull it over to the hatch.
As she pushed I could lift the hose up over the stringer (or whatever the
half pipe tabbed to the hull is) by pulling on the line forcing it to make
the bend. I also found that the PO had replaced the hose before and had
just left the old one in there, once it was removed it made things much
easier.I’ll never sell my boat because I couldn’t stand to be the infamous PO.
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Dan,
I had to replace my hose…what a stinking job that was, but it sure made a difference! We use muriatic acid treatment once or twice a year to clean out the barnacles and other organisms. Vinegar is just not strong enough.
Make sure you flush with a lot of clean water. The acid does a number on the macerator. Dilute the Muriatic acid 50% and let sit around 30 minutes or until all bubbling stops.
Use vegetable oil to lube the seals and joker valve. That is a MUST! We have had zero problems for 3 years since we adopted this routine.
My boat lives in the tropics, Trinidad for 8 months and the SE Caribbean during the winter.Joe,
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Thanks for the tip on routing a new hose. The present one has a reduced I.D. of about the size of a quarter due to scaling. Straight vinegar keeps it open, but doesn’t seem to make headway. A new hose is in order. I was wondering how to get it through that tight turn under the mid companionway ladder.
The prospect of a bucket for solids doesn’t “sit well” with the Admiral on trips between the islands.
Dan Kalinowski
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It’s a tight turn and the hose is stiff, but it will bend, especially if you heat it where you want to have it bend. I did it by brute force.
Joe,
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Dan,
If you have a lot of other hoses in that passage under the ladder, try
spraying a little Pam or other spray cooking oil on the outside of the hose.On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Joseph Steiner <> wrote:
Quote:It’s a tight turn and the hose is stiff, but it will bend, especially if
you heat it where you want to have it bend. I did it by brute force.Joe,
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Adam,
I don’t know how you make kids do this, but the solution is to never flush
paper down the toilet. I stopped that practice years before I went to a
compost head. For passages I provide paper lunch bags for crew and myself
to deposit the paper for each use, then throw it overboard. Maybe you could
get the kids to do this so they can watch how long it takes for the bag to
sink in the wake. While at anchor or in a marina the papers go into a small
waste basket next to the head. That basket is emptied into the galley
garbage bag when it is taken to a dumpster.
If you don’t think that will work with your family and decide to go with an
electric head, I recommend a Lavac head with a maceration pump. If you pump
into a holding tank, those heads minimize the amount of water that is used
for the flush. I don’t think the electric version of the PH II will solve
the paper problem as I believe it is just a electric water pump and not a
macerator.On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Adam <> wrote:
We also have the PH-II, but have considered purchasing a new electric head
because of our “little people”. They sometimes put in too much toilet paper
and it gets clogged. Always fun to clean out with a boat load of people.
Let us know what you decide and how it works out.Adam
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Definitely, nothing goes into the toilet that hasn’t first passed through a
human body. I keep a plastic container (SteriLite 3.8 liter from Walmart) by
the toilet. It has a clamp-down, air-tight lid. I line it with a plastic bag
for easy removal. Easy, odor-proof and sanitary.As for “making kids do this,” my city-raised grandchildren adopted the
practice without a qualm when they visited aboard last month. Kid’s can
adapt to damn near anything, usually faster than adults. Just tell them this
is how it’s done on a boat.Tor
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Wow, you guys must use an awful lot of toilet paper. I use Scott TP, the
1000 sheet rolls. Not soft and cuddly like Charmin, but when it touches
water it dissolves. You can use the normal amount and have no trouble
getting it through the head.I’ve had company on board for days at a time and never had a problem with
either the holding tank or head.Not that it’s not a good idea to stow the used TP separately, but I’ve never
found the need.To each their own, I guess.
As an aside, when I’m using the holding tank I use the shower for the
water. I try to keep salt water out of the holding tank. It’s better for
keeping the smell down.Bob
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We, too, use Scott and have never had issue with tissue 😉 ( groan now )
Not being in salt we hadn’t thought about ways to minimize flushing with
salt water. Thanks for the idea Bob.– pat
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Wow, you guys must use an awful lot of toilet paper. I use Scott TP, the
1000 sheet rolls. Not soft and cuddly like Charmin, but when it touches
water it dissolves. You can use the normal amount and have no trouble
getting it through the head.I’ve had company on board for days at a time and never had a problem with
either the holding tank or head.Not that it’s not a good idea to stow the used TP separately, but I’ve never
found the need.To each their own, I guess.
As an aside, when I’m using the holding tank I use the shower for the
water. I try to keep salt water out of the holding tank. It’s better for
keeping the smell down.Bob
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Another vote for the single ply toilet paper. Costco in Canada sells it under the White Swan label. This is the same stuff I mentioned a year ago when we were discussing putting paper into a composting head.
I first starting using it a home after my neighbor mentioned that his septic tank had plugged up after he started using a Charmin type of product. I guess these quilted papers have a lot of binders in them that hold them together, even when wet.
The engineer in me just ran a little experiment. I took four sheets of a crumpled quilted paper , placed it in a funnel and poured about a cup of water over it. It ended up collapsing down to the size of about 1/3 cup. Doing the same thing with the single ply product yielded a ball the size of a teaspoon.
For those that are bagging the used stuff on board, you really should give the single ply stuff a try. Not having to bag it is one little way of not making cruising like camping.
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With single ply you end up using more singles, than with double ply…paper is paper..you risk a clog somewhere, and that risk is not worth taking, no matter how small, given the awful job to declog. I’ll continue to bag my paper and toss it with the rest of my garbage.
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Not true, Oh! Paper Saver. We have become accustomed to soft tissue. Most
of the world uses a paper that is more akin to crepe paper than toilet
paper. With the single ply you typically don’t use more. You’d think you
would, but for the few seconds it’s actually in use the difference in
tensile and water strength doesn’t make a difference.However, like discussions of anchors, electronics, and other things fraught
with opinions, toilet paper and it’s use and disposal seems to have nearly
religious adherents.I’ll never convince you the Scott stuff will work and go through the head
with ease and you’ll never convince me to put the paper in a pail. Really,
my reaction to that is, “Ewww!” But to paraphrase, I will defend to the
death your right to do what you will with your toilet paper.🙂
Bob
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Quote:With single ply you end up using more singles, than with double ply…paper
is paper..you risk a clog somewhere, and that risk is not worth taking, no
matter how small, given the awful job to declog. I’ll continue to bag my
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Yes, Rich, I have had good results with that, but I can’t find it in the Islands.
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Bob, with your aversion to soiled TP, you probably should not visit
Portugal. In most of the public lavatories and everyone I encountered in
marinas, they provide a waste basket for the TP and have sign saying not to
flush the paper. In Spain it was less consistent, but then some of the
marina toilets are BYOTP – something I discovered a little too late. A Brit
with a roll of that crepe paper became my new best friend. At least there
you can use your beloved Scott paper.FWIW, I’ve had to deal with clogged heads or sewage lines 4 times in almost
40 years of sailboat ownership. In all cases the paper is what provided the
clog, although scaling in the hoses was the real culprit 2 of the times.
The first two times were with that so-called water soluble paper. Then I
switched to the Scott TP that Bob loves. That stuff may eventually dissolve
in water, but I think the timing is closer to the half-life of carbon than
immediately.On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Robert Fine <> wrote:
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wrote:Quote:Yes, Rich, I have had good results with that, but I can’t find it in the
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And of course for us Americans with our well trained digestive systems, some countries have foods and beverages which are not well received by our bodies, which then proceeds to try to expel what we have consumed..in its’ entirety, and, as quickly as possible.
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That’s an interesting point, John. In 30+ years I’ve dealt with far more
toilet and septic system problems on land than with boats. I’ve never had a
clog on my boats and only once on another boat – not caused by paper but by
adding a little something else to the bowl, I forget what, but it wasn’t
already eaten. That and having the check valve break.I didn’t know that Spain and Portugal were essentially without toilet
paper. I wonder if Greece and Ireland are similarly equipped and that’s why
their economies are faltering?There could be a link.
Anyway, 4 times in 50 years is a damn good average, I’d say, no matter how
awful it was to repair.Bob
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Quote:And of course for us Americans with our well trained digestive systems,
some countries have foods and beverages which are not well received by our
bodies, which then proceeds to try to expel what we have consumed..in its’
entirety, and, as quickly as possible.
The water soluble paper is a problem i these situations..so one needs a
strong paper to get the job done.________________________________
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I am impressed by this conversation, as I’m sure we all are. Let it never be
said that Pearson 424 owners overlook even the least… glamorous details of
yacht ownership. Since we’re actually discussing this, consider an entirely
different approach to the ‘what to do with the toilet paper’ dilemma, i.e.,
don’t use it. Save a few trees, spare the environment and live more
hygienically. I believe the French call it la douche, and it has been in use
a lot longer than Charmin.Vive la difference!
🙂
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You must have much more water aboard than I. 🙂
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Silver Heels <> wrote:
Quote:I am impressed by this conversation, as I’m sure we all are. Let it never
be
said that Pearson 424 owners overlook even the least… glamorous details
of
yacht ownership. Since we’re actually discussing this, consider an entirely
different approach to the ‘what to do with the toilet paper’ dilemma, i.e.,
don’t use it. Save a few trees, spare the environment and live more
hygienically. I believe the French call it la douche, and it has been in
use
a lot longer than Charmin.Vive la difference!
🙂
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Silver Heels, P-424 #17
http://www.silverheels.us
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