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Hello, I joined this list to gather information about the Pearson 424/422. My wife and I are in the process of looking for a livaboard in the 38-44 foot range. We’ve been looking at center cockpits but had an opportunity to get on a 424 recently and were impressed. I personally prefer an aft cockpit but they usually have a quarterberth which I’m not really interested in. The aft stateroom on the 424 seems like a nice compromise to the traditional layouts of aft/center cockpit designs. So I guess my first question to the group is: Do you use the aft stateroom as intended by design or do you use it as an easily accessible storage area and passage way to the galley ect..
I expect that I’ll be lurking here for a while prior to asking too many questions and since we don’t own a 424 we’re not actively fixing anything. We don’t expect to make a purchase until spring at the earliest as we have to sell our Catalina 30 before buying another boat.
Thank you for your input and information.
James
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I think, James, you’ll find that most of us use the aft cabin as a master’s
stateroom, with the v-berth as a garage or storage space. I used to do it
the other way around but getting in and out of the v-berth is not as easy
as rolling off the aft cabin’s berth…Bob
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, James Beaulieu via maillist <
> wrote:Hello, I joined this list to gather information about the Pearson
424/422. My wife and I are in the process of looking for a livaboard in
the 38-44 foot range. We’ve been looking at center cockpits but had an
opportunity to get on a 424 recently and were impressed. I personally
prefer an aft cockpit but they usually have a quarterberth which I’m not
really interested in. The aft stateroom on the 424 seems like a nice
compromise to the traditional layouts of aft/center cockpit designs. So I
guess my first question to the group is: Do you use the aft stateroom as
intended by design or do you use it as an easily accessible storage area
and passage way to the galley ect..I expect that I’ll be lurking here for a while prior to asking too many
questions and since we don’t own a 424 we’re not actively fixing anything.
We don’t expect to make a purchase until spring at the earliest as we have
to sell our Catalina 30 before buying another boat.
Thank you for your input and information.
James
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James,
I also live on board and use the aft cabin as my stateroom. It was one of
the 424 selling points for me. As Bob said it’s a lot easier to get into
an out of, especially as I get older. It is also very useful on a passage
– to be sleeping off-watch just out of the cockpit and next to the nav
station.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com
Sarah’s BlogOn Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Robert Fine via maillist <
> wrote:I think, James, you’ll find that most of us use the aft cabin as a master’s
stateroom, with the v-berth as a garage or storage space. I used to do it
the other way around but getting in and out of the v-berth is not as easy
as rolling off the aft cabin’s berth…Bob
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, James Beaulieu via maillist <
> wrote:Hello, I joined this list to gather information about the Pearson
424/422. My wife and I are in the process of looking for a livaboard in
the 38-44 foot range. We’ve been looking at center cockpits but had an
opportunity to get on a 424 recently and were impressed. I personally
prefer an aft cockpit but they usually have a quarterberth which I’m not
really interested in. The aft stateroom on the 424 seems like a nice
compromise to the traditional layouts of aft/center cockpit designs. SoI
guess my first question to the group is: Do you use the aft stateroom as
intended by design or do you use it as an easily accessible storage area
and passage way to the galley ect..I expect that I’ll be lurking here for a while prior to asking too many
questions and since we don’t own a 424 we’re not actively fixinganything.
We don’t expect to make a purchase until spring at the earliest as we
have
to sell our Catalina 30 before buying another boat.
Thank you for your input and information.
James
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s/v Pelican
Pearson 424 Hull #8
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Like Bob and John, we used the aft cabin similarly. However, we used the V-berth too. Yes, we have different sleep patterns so we slept apart, and soundly.
On Saturday, November 8, 2014 7:21 AM, John Stevenson via maillist wrote:
James,
I also live on board and use the aft cabin as my stateroom. It was one of
the 424 selling points for me. As Bob said it’s a lot easier to get into
an out of, especially as I get older. It is also very useful on a passage
– to be sleeping off-watch just out of the cockpit and next to the nav
station.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com
Sarah’s BlogOn Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Robert Fine via maillist <
> wrote:I think, James, you’ll find that most of us use the aft cabin as a master’s
stateroom, with the v-berth as a garage or storage space. I used to do it
the other way around but getting in and out of the v-berth is not as easy
as rolling off the aft cabin’s berth…Bob
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, James Beaulieu via maillist <
> wrote:Hello, I joined this list to gather information about the Pearson
424/422. My wife and I are in the process of looking for a livaboard in
the 38-44 foot range. We’ve been looking at center cockpits but had an
opportunity to get on a 424 recently and were impressed. I personally
prefer an aft cockpit but they usually have a quarterberth which I’m not
really interested in. The aft stateroom on the 424 seems like a nice
compromise to the traditional layouts of aft/center cockpit designs. SoI
guess my first question to the group is: Do you use the aft stateroom as
intended by design or do you use it as an easily accessible storage area
and passage way to the galley ect..I expect that I’ll be lurking here for a while prior to asking too many
questions and since we don’t own a 424 we’re not actively fixinganything.
We don’t expect to make a purchase until spring at the earliest as we
have
to sell our Catalina 30 before buying another boat.
Thank you for your input and information.
James
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s/v Pelican
Pearson 424 Hull #8
http://thesailinglife.blogspot.com/
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It’s hard to beat the aft cabin setup. Â Lot’s of headroom and easy in and out. Â The only draw back is climbing over each other to get out of the bunk. Â So try to get the starboard side during negotiations 😉
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Dan Kalinowski
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Keehi Lagoon, O’ahu
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James,
My answers regarding use of the aft cabin are the same as the
others so far, plus I use the forepeak as my work shop most of
the time, having removed the sink and made a proper workbench
there – complete with a vice and tons of tool storage – an
invaluable asset in a cruising boat. Still, I can put pretty up
forward to offer occasional guests a presentable, private cabin
of their own.In my opinion, the best thing about aft cockpits in general and
the 424’s layout in particular is the spacious feeling
belowdecks. IMHO, a center cockpit in any boat under 45-50′
seriously cramps the main salon, where you do most of your
living. Also, while many here will argue otherwise, I much prefer
the L-galley over the U-shape for the same reason; room to dance
in my “living room.”Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
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I added 8″ of width to ours and changed out the underside drawers with
four drawers on SS sliders for a lot more useful storage and about 25%
more usable storage volume. 8″ does not sound like a lot, but it made
a world of difference in the comfort. Got a queen-size memory foam
mattress (not just a topper), took the cover off it, cut it to size and
shape, and resewed the cover to fit. Just like the bed on shore now.Pete
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It’s hard to beat the aft cabin setup. Lot’s of headroom and easy in and out. The only draw back is climbing over each other to get out of the bunk. So try to get the starboard side during negotiations 😉
Dan Kalinowski
Jolly Lama #135
Keehi Lagoon, O’ahu
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James
I’ve owned my 424 for almost 30 years now. Any boat is a compromise on cost, performance, handling, safety, comfort and storage. A center cockpit will give you more living space at the cost of storage. If you plan to live aboard, you probably need ample storage. In other production boats, owners convert one of the cabins, typically the cabin under to cockpit, to storage. With the 424, you don’t need to do that. It’s already done for you. A center cockpit boat moves the cockpit forward, exposing the crew to more spray in rough weather. It raises the boom reducing sail area and therefore impacts performance. They usually offer a very comfortable aft cabin however. If you really want a center-cockpit boat, consider the 422. It shares the same hull as the 424 but comes as a center-cockpit.The 424 comes with two floor plans, one with a second companionway in the main cabin and large aft cabin that can be separated from the main cabin by closing a door. The other layout lacks the second companionway and has a private aft cabin on the port side. The most common layout is the two-companionway model like mine. My wife and I use the aft cabin and have never tried to sleep in the forward cabin. The V-berth is a bit short for me and is difficult to get in and out of. The aft bunk is a bit narrow, but works for us. I’ve considered making the aft bunk a bit wider but it doesn’t really matter how wide the mattress is, my wife is a bed hog. She pins me up against the hull. Making the bunk wider would be simple. I had planned to add a drop-leaf side to the bunk. When up, it would turn the aft bunk into a sea-berth keeping the occupant from sliding out on a port tack. When down, a filler cushion would make the bunk wider by about a foot. This modification would be pretty simple.
I swapped out the original mattress in the aft bunk with a memory-foam mattress. This makes the aft bunk pretty comfortable, assuming you can get comfortable when pinned up against the hull. The only problem with the new mattress is that it is thicker and raises the bed by a few inches. There is no longer enough headroom to comfortably sit up and read in bed. I’ve considered raising the bookcase a bit.
When I first bought my 424, I considered the second companionway to be a waste of space. After living with it for a while, I’ve come to appreciate it. I can close in the cockpit entirely and make the living space in the boat larger. I no longer must climb over the dodger with groceries and stuff. Closing off the aft cabin is not very important to us but we can do so.
If you have other questions, fire away!
Rich
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Thank you all for your responses, they’ve offered some good insight into the functionality of the interior design.
After looking at several different makes we’re feeling like the 424 is the right boat for us, now we have to find the right one at the right price!Quote:On Nov 10, 2014, at 8:58 AM, wrote:James
I’ve owned my 424 for almost 30 years now. Any boat is a compromise on cost, performance, handling, safety, comfort and storage. A center cockpit will give you more living space at the cost of storage. If you plan to live aboard, you probably need ample storage. In other production boats, owners convert one of the cabins, typically the cabin under to cockpit, to storage. With the 424, you don’t need to do that. It’s already done for you. A center cockpit boat moves the cockpit forward, exposing the crew to more spray in rough weather. It raises the boom reducing sail area and therefore impacts performance. They usually offer a very comfortable aft cabin however. If you really want a center-cockpit boat, consider the 422. It shares the same hull as the 424 but comes as a center-cockpit.The 424 comes with two floor plans, one with a second companionway in the main cabin and large aft cabin that can be separated from the main cabin by closing a door. The other layout lacks the second companionway and has a private aft cabin on the port side. The most common layout is the two-companionway model like mine. My wife and I use the aft cabin and have never tried to sleep in the forward cabin. The V-berth is a bit short for me and is difficult to get in and out of. The aft bunk is a bit narrow, but works for us. I’ve considered making the aft bunk a bit wider but it doesn’t really matter how wide the mattress is, my wife is a bed hog. She pins me up against the hull. Making the bunk wider would be simple. I had planned to add a drop-leaf side to the bunk. When up, it would turn the aft bunk into a sea-berth keeping the occupant from sliding out on a port tack. When down, a filler cushion would make the bunk wider by about a foot. This modification would be pretty simple.
I swapped out the original mattress in the aft bunk with a memory-foam mattress. This makes the aft bunk pretty comfortable, assuming you can get comfortable when pinned up against the hull. The only problem with the new mattress is that it is thicker and raises the bed by a few inches. There is no longer enough headroom to comfortably sit up and read in bed. I’ve considered raising the bookcase a bit.
When I first bought my 424, I considered the second companionway to be a waste of space. After living with it for a while, I’ve come to appreciate it. I can close in the cockpit entirely and make the living space in the boat larger. I no longer must climb over the dodger with groceries and stuff. Closing off the aft cabin is not very important to us but we can do so.
If you have other questions, fire away!
Rich
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Hello from the dark side, actually the 422 side of the list. You can’t go wrong with either the 422 or the 424. We live aboard ours and are currently making our way down the ICW to the Bahamas with the rest of the fall migration. Some things we did to the 422 that you might want to either check or consider with the 424 (since they are the same from the hull down):
– replaced the bowsprit with beefier tubing to eliminate any flex
– replaced rigging and chainplates (definitely replace the chainplates)
– repowered with a Beta 50 and a Campbell Sailor 3 blade fixed prop (cruise is 7.1 its in still water, plenty of power in reserve for current, waves, etc
– added a full enclosure that has been fantastic in the fall weather (all removable so we can take it down for any passages)
– installed a very beefy autopilot (WH)
– redid all the bilge pumps and added both auto and manual down in the deep sumpLots of other mods, but those would be par for the course on any boat to personalize it to your tastes and cruising preferences.
Be happy to answer any specific questions about the 422
PS – We do love the aft cabin/center cockpit layout!!
Fair winds!
Greg Long
443.995.5551
But if not…
On Nov 10, 2014, at 11:49 AM, James Beaulieu via maillist wrote:
Quote:Thank you all for your responses, they’ve offered some good insight into the functionality of the interior design.
After looking at several different makes we’re feeling like the 424 is the right boat for us, now we have to find the right one at the right price!Quote:On Nov 10, 2014, at 8:58 AM, wrote:James
I’ve owned my 424 for almost 30 years now. Any boat is a compromise on cost, performance, handling, safety, comfort and storage. A center cockpit will give you more living space at the cost of storage. If you plan to live aboard, you probably need ample storage. In other production boats, owners convert one of the cabins, typically the cabin under to cockpit, to storage. With the 424, you don’t need to do that. It’s already done for you. A center cockpit boat moves the cockpit forward, exposing the crew to more spray in rough weather. It raises the boom reducing sail area and therefore impacts performance. They usually offer a very comfortable aft cabin however. If you really want a center-cockpit boat, consider the 422. It shares the same hull as the 424 but comes as a center-cockpit.The 424 comes with two floor plans, one with a second companionway in the main cabin and large aft cabin that can be separated from the main cabin by closing a door. The other layout lacks the second companionway and has a private aft cabin on the port side. The most common layout is the two-companionway model like mine. My wife and I use the aft cabin and have never tried to sleep in the forward cabin. The V-berth is a bit short for me and is difficult to get in and out of. The aft bunk is a bit narrow, but works for us. I’ve considered making the aft bunk a bit wider but it doesn’t really matter how wide the mattress is, my wife is a bed hog. She pins me up against the hull. Making the bunk wider would be simple. I had planned to add a drop-leaf side to the bunk. When up, it would turn the aft bunk into a sea-berth keeping the occupant from sliding out on a port tack. When down, a filler cushion would make the bunk wider by about a foot. This modification would be pretty simple.
I swapped out the original mattress in the aft bunk with a memory-foam mattress. This makes the aft bunk pretty comfortable, assuming you can get comfortable when pinned up against the hull. The only problem with the new mattress is that it is thicker and raises the bed by a few inches. There is no longer enough headroom to comfortably sit up and read in bed. I’ve considered raising the bookcase a bit.
When I first bought my 424, I considered the second companionway to be a waste of space. After living with it for a while, I’ve come to appreciate it. I can close in the cockpit entirely and make the living space in the boat larger. I no longer must climb over the dodger with groceries and stuff. Closing off the aft cabin is not very important to us but we can do so.
If you have other questions, fire away!
Rich
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