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Trying to figure out the dimensional difference between the 44 lbs Bruce and either the 45 or 60 lbs Manson Supreme.
What shank length and overall width is…. whether I’d still be able to carry a 2nd anchor (Bruce or CQR) in the 2nd bow roller.
I know John S. Has the Manson 60 – anyone else out there in 424 land have any experience?Alan
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ALAN: I have a Bruce 44lb & a Rocna 55lb on the sprit. The Ronca replaces the 44lb Rocna stolen last winter (moral: in port, lock your Rocna). I found that the 55lb actually makes a BETTER fit on the sprit with the Bruce than had the 44lb Rocna, due to the slight increase in shank length. I would imagine the Manson to be of similar demensions, both being spade type anchors.
BUT, until I can a bobstay next haulout, I feel the total weight to be too much and am going to stow the Bruce. I also carry a Fortress outboard of the port cockpit coaming for rapid deployment. The Rocna sets and holds better than anything I’ve seen or used in forty years and deploys and retrives beautifully. My only complaint is breaking it out (HA!) and cleaning it up!
Will you be in Deltaville before 23 OCT (depart for Bahamas) ? Stop by STRINGRAY PT MARINA, A-30 and check it out, or I’ll take some PICS.BREAK
On a different thread, has anyone experienced a transmission leak in the seal between the Velvet Drive and bell housing on a W-60? Or am I the first at a rate of 2.5qts/30 hrs running?
. ~~~~ Capt. Bill Tice, aboard s/v CHARISMA ~~~~~
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Pics would be great – I hope to have the anchor before I get back down to D’ville.
Plan is to splash on the 11th of October and spend two weeks putting everything back together and testing systems before departing for the Bahamas. Doing the ICW to Beaufort then in and out to Fla before heading across. What are your plans…. oh… you’ll have a car in Deltaville, won’t….mmmm
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~~~~ Capt. Bill Tice, aboard s/v CHARISMA ~~~~~
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Aloha Alan: My CQR keeps company with a Manson Supreme 60 on the Jolly Lama’s bow. I can’t remember the CQR size but I think it is a 42? (It’s a large one.) No problem with the size as I have a wide anchor sprit and each is on its own roller. Now to install my new electric windlass.
Dan Kalinowski
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Bill sent me pictures of his setup but he too has a bow sprint. I do not – however, I do have two rollers, one on each side of the forestay. I usually keep a Bruce 44 and a CQR 44 but have decided to get a Manson 60 as a primary. Last time I was out, it was for about 10 months, most of on the hook, most of single handed. No need for fire drills in the middle of the night.
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Alan,
As I think you know, I have a similar anchor roller set up as you do – two
rollers slightly cantilevered over the bow on each side of the forestay. I
used to carry a 44 Bruce and a 43 Harborfast (Chinese CQR). They fit snugly
side by side in the rollers. When I placed the Manson 60 in the starboard
roller I might have been able to fit the Bruce next to it, but it didn’t
look practical. Hauling the Manson into the roller is enough of a chore
without having to lift it around the Bruce. So I only carry the Manson on
the bow. I sold the Harborfast and the Bruce is stored in the port cockpit
locker. The result is I’ve removed about 20# from the bow.Of course, if I have to deploy the Bruce it will be an effort to haul it and
the rode down the deck to the bow. It will also take time. However, even
if I could fit the Bruce on the bow (and add 20# over the weight of the
Bruce and Harborfast) I don’t think I could live with the weight of two
anchor rodes in the chain locker – nor do I have anyway of keeping them from
becoming a chain macrame. So the 2nd rode would either have to be short
light rode or it has to be stored aft. If I have to haul the rode down the
deck it isn’t that much more to also haul the anchor. So for now I have a
single anchor and a single rode rigged on the bow.The only time I’ve every had to deploy the 2nd anchor was years ago in
Puerto San Antonio, Ibiza – a harbor with notorious poor holding ground. A
front came through around midnight and the entire anchorage (well nearly)
started dragging anchors. A 70 fter went by us at about 2 kts, lots of
screaming and DSC alarms going off. The wind really wasn’t that strong
(maybe 25kts, briefly) but with every anchor around us (including ours)
dragging I couldn’t get the anchor up before it fouled with several others.
We were shortly going to become the middle of a sailboat sandwich, so I cut
my rope rode, tied on a float and cast the anchor off. We left the harbor
for several hours. Then, when things had settled down, we re-entered the
harbor and anchored with the Harborfast for the rest of the night. The next
day we retrieved my anchor. I wanted to leave the harbor ASAP, but my crew
wanted to tour Ibiza so I let them go and stayed on board until the
following day when I could pry them loose from Puerto San Antonio.In that incident I was glad I had to 2nd anchor on the bow and the 2nd rode
in the foredeck locker. That was a short rode of 10′ of chain and 150′ of
rope. However, while my friends were touring Ibiza and before I could
splice the primary rope back onto the chain for the Bruce, that lousy
Harborfast started to drag in less than 15kts. So although I had a 2nd
anchor available it was only a temporary option.The only way I can quickly release my current anchor would be to let all of
the 300′ or chain go. For my backup rode I want more than 10′ of chain and
150′ of rope, which means a lot of weight on the bow unless I store the rode
aft. So that is my current configuration.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:04 PM, kalinowski wrote:
Alan, my old saw: I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not
have it.Dan Kalinowski
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Although I keep two anchors on the bow, (bruce and cqr) only one is connected to a rode. If I needed to deploy a 2nd anchor – I have 50 ft of 3/8 chain ( main chain is 270′ of 5/16 HT) stored in the locker and 250 ft of 3/4 nylon in the aft lazerette. I have switched primary and secondary anchors depending on whats working at the time (or not working).
I was thinking of getting some of that 5/8 Megaplait so I can keep the rode up front instead of digging though the locker to get the 3/4′. That stuff is supposed the be lighter and easier to store.
I guess I’ll see what fits in there after I put the Manson 60 up there – not too concerned with weight with all the other crap that is on the boat – besides, it kind of balances out the generator in the back of the boat 🙂With all your travels on the ICW – have you ever needed to deploy a 2nd anchor as the WaterWay guides suggest or is most of that hype?
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Alan,
I’ve never deployed two anchors. If I ever have to deploy a Bahamian Moor,
I would probably drop the second anchor (Bruce) over the stern after letting
out 2x scope on the primary anchor. Then run the second rode to the bow and
crank in the extra chain on the primary anchor. Getting both anchors back
on deck would be the problem. I guess I would haul in the secondary, and
stow it back in the cockpit, then pull up the primary. The thought of doing
this will probably drive me to replace the Bruce with a Fortress.
Obviously I’m not going to do all of the above unless it is absolutely
necessary, hopefully never.
With regard to the ICW and 2 anchors. The only places that might call for
two anchors are S. Carolina and Georgia, where the current runs strong and
reverses. I’ve anchored in several places in S. Carolina with strong
current, but the anchorages were large enough for all boats to swing on one
anchor or I was the only boat. I’ve purposely avoided the Georgia portion
of the ICW. In the N. Carolina ICW, reversing currents are not that
strong. Current there is mostly wind driven or river current.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.comOn Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Alan wrote:
Quote:Although I keep two anchors on the bow, (bruce and cqr) only one is
connected to a rode. If I needed to deploy a 2nd anchor – I have 50 ft of
3/8 chain ( main chain is 270′ of 5/16 HT) stored in the locker and 250 ft
of 3/4 nylon in the aft lazerette. I have switched primary and secondary
anchors depending on whats working at the time (or not working).
I was thinking of getting some of that 5/8 Megaplait so I can keep the
rode up front instead of digging though the locker to get the 3/4′. That
stuff is supposed the be lighter and easier to store.
I guess I’ll see what fits in there after I put the Manson 60 up there –
not too concerned with weight with all the other crap that is on the boat –
besides, it kind of balances out the generator in the back of the boat 🙂With all your travels on the ICW – have you ever needed to deploy a 2nd
anchor as the WaterWay guides suggest or is most of that hype?
Alan— On Tue, 9/20/11, John Stevenson wrote:
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Gents-
when I need to deploy a second anchor, whether Bahamian moor or two anchors
out different sides of the forestay set at say 45degrees apart, I use an
anchor and rode that is already to go. I keep two anchors on the pulpit
with chain and rode on both.
Primary is CQR45 on 30 ft chain and 200 ft nylon. Second is Danforth with
20 ft chain and nyon. This rode leads down the forward cowl into the area
just forward of the Vberth. This way it is always ready to go at a moments
notice, yet has no interference with the daily use of the primary anchor and
rode. This method has worked well for me for over 30 years! I was prepared
for the ICW and the shallow Bahamian anchorages, as well as all my normal
New England cruising grounds. If you want a second anchor at the ready this
method works!Rodd Leeds
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Bill, did you figure this out? Are you going through 2.5 qts of gear lube?
There is a seal at the front of the gear. Yes it can leak.
Getting the Velvet drive off for repairs is pretty easy. Remove the upper shaft and I think you have 6 bolts holding the gear on.Chuck
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On a different thread, has anyone experienced a transmission leak in the seal between the Velvet Drive and bell housing on a W-60? Or am I the first at a rate of 2.5qts/30 hrs running?
. ~~~~ Capt. Bill Tice, aboard s/v CHARISMA ~~~~~
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