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Hi All,
I forget – was there someone who wanted original large (head, galley, aft cabin) non-opening portlights? I just removed one and am willing to part with it for shipping.
Bob
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Hi Rich,
I used the Bomar 7 x 22 ports. I originally purchased 3 (at $400 each when I was making money) and couldn't decide whether to replace the galley one or the shower one. Tor convinced me the shower one was a better bet, so that's what I did.
Need pictures?
I had already replaced the one above the head sink and the one in the aft cabin.
Bob
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What did you replace it with? I have two non-opening ports in my head and would like to replace them.Rich
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I purchased a pair of 7 x 22 Bomar ports a few years back with the intention of using them to replace the fixed ports in my head. When I pulled the head fixed port out, I found that the Bowmar port was slightly too small. If I remember correctly, it was too narrow by about an inch. I put the fixed port back in. I still have the pair of Bowmar ports. I’m thinking of using them to replace a pair of the small ports forward but I haven’t made up my mind; hence nothing has been done for years. I still need to do something with the four opening ports up forward. I either need to rebuild them yet again or replace them. Rebuilding is free, so that’s probably the way I’ll go. I don’t think the larger ports would look right up forward. Otherwise I might be tempted to replace the pair of small fixed ports in the main cabin.I also bought a pair of small deck hatches that I intended to use in the shower stall and over the aft bunk. I never put them in either because they don’t have an interior trim lip. I don’t know what I’ll do with them either. I goth them cheap, but I decided they were too cheap even for me.
Rich
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Hi Rich,
Here's something you can do with one of the ports 7 x 22 – put it in the sloping place at the forward end of the dog house. I know Tor was thinking of something like that.
As far as interior trim rings go, you'll need to make one no matter which port you purchase. You'll notice that none of the originals have interior trim rings – just teak frames.
I'm surprised the 7 x 22's don't fit. I wonder if Pearson used larger ports on later boats – mine's a 78 so there may be differences.
If you send me a picture of your ports, I may be tempted to purchase one or more from you, assuming, of course, you want to sell them. If they are what I think they are and at a reasonable price, I'd replace the galley one and add the two you didn't want to, maybe. I'd have to measure and all that.
When you say, “I'd have to rebuild the ports…” what do you mean? Replace the glass? Gasket? I can't really see anything that might need rebuilding. I have replacement safety glass that I'm putting in one by one, but I've replaced the gaskets and I'll be long gone before they need it again. Are yours aluminum or plastic?
Bob
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I purchased a pair of 7 x 22 Bomar ports a few years back with the intention of using them to replace the fixed ports in my head. When I pulled the head fixed port out, I found that the Bowmar port was slightly too small. If I remember correctly, it was too narrow by about an inch. I put the fixed port back in. I still have the pair of Bowmar ports. I'm thinking of using them to replace a pair of the small ports forward but I haven't made up my mind; hence nothing has been done for years. I still need to do something with the four opening ports up forward. I either need to rebuild them yet again or replace them. Rebuilding is free, so that's probably the way I'll go. I don't think the larger ports would look right up forward. Otherwise I might be tempted to replace the pair of small fixed ports in the main cabin.I also bought a pair of small deck hatches that I intended to use in the shower stall and over the aft bunk. I never put them in either because they don't have an interior trim lip. I don't know what I'll do with them either. I goth them cheap, but I decided they were too cheap even for me.
Rich
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It seems Pearson had several variations of opening and fixed ports (port holes and port lights). Lady Leanne has opening ports in the head, shower, galley and aft cabin. All those forward are fixed.
Has anyone replaced the lenses in the opening ports? I might try this until I take care of higher priorities. Specifically, how do you get the old lens out? What material did you use for the lens? Where did the gasket material come from and what was used?
Dan Kalinowski
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Bob
I’m not comfortable with an opening port at the forward end of the doghouse. I’ve seen some boats do this. Having taken some green water over the bow in the past it would make me nervous. Opening the forward hatch provides pretty good ventilation without the risk.My forward ports are aluminum. Rebuilding them would involve replacing the gaskets and glass. I’ve done this once already about 15 years ago. Boy am I tired of doing the same repair more than once.
My boat is a 1979 model built in 1978, hull number 47.
I’ll think about the ports. I’ll probably keep one for spare parts. I may be willing to part with the second one. Let me measure what I have and take a photo. I’ll get back to you.
Rich
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I’ve done it before as mentioned in my previous message and will probably do it again this winter. They are starting to leak again. I didn’t bother with the original large opening ports. Even though they were metal-frame, corrosion made them look like they were on the way out. I saved the original ports for no particular reason and just tossed them last weekend.
For the small forward aluminum opening hatches, I bought scratch resistant polycarbonate from a local glass company and cut it myself. The stuff is a little thinner than the 1/4″ plate glass used in the original frames, but a rubber gasket will take up the space. Put the seam at the top of the frame and use some goop to make a seal. Silicone would work, but you could use other bedding compounds.
Finding a replacement gasket is a trick. I just ordered some rubber gasket a few weeks ago, but I got the wrong size. I have some soft gasket material left over from rebuilding the deck hatches. I might try that. The stuff is round, but it should work.
The screens can be replaced too. Remove the old screen frame and discard the screen material. clean the frame with a wire wheel brush and lay in a bead of JB-Weld around the edge. Place a new screen over the frame and put weights on it. After allowing the glue to dry cut off the excess.
Rich
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Bob,
I agree with Rich on this. I don’t think a portlight at the forward end of the coachhouse is a good idea for the reason he states. You mentioned yesterday that I was thinking of doing this, but that has never been the case. I am planning to add a small opening hatch above the aft cabin bunk. I bought a second small hatch to put over the shower stall, but now I’ve mounted the life raft in that spot instead. As you recall, I did put an opening port in the shower, and another at the aft cabin bunk. Would like one at the galley, too, but that big beautiful cabinet would prevent a porthole from opening.
Tor
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“but that big beautiful cabinet would prevent a porthole from opening.”
All our boats are slightly different, so measure first. I put an opening port there. I had to grind off a tiny portion of one corner of the port to clear the edge of the cabinet, but it opens with no problem. Nice to have ventilation above the stove.
Rich
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My above-the-galley-sink cabinet overlaps the aft end of the portlight by a full 3″. I’ve considered cutting away a portion of the cabinet’s outboard end to permit a porthole to open, and I might do it yet, but it really is a handsome bit of joinery there and I fear any modifications I make may not be up to that standard. Maybe I’ll find a cabinet maker in some 3rd World country to do it for me. Certainly, the mod can be done.
In fact, I have a bunch of cabinet-type modifications I look forward to doing myself around the boat in the not-to-distant future, now that most of the more critical refit work is done. Next year, down islands.
Tor
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Mine probably overlaps by about the same length. The corners of the port are round so there was only a small part of the corner of the port that hit the cabinet. I ground off a small part of the edge of the hatch and it clears the cabinet. If I get a chance, I’ll take a photo this weekend.
Rich
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Oops, sorry Tor, I guess I got you mixed up with someone else about that. My bad. You know, as we age our minds tend to mis-link things… Still, sorry.
About the hatch over the galley – even if it opens 3″, that's still an improvement – and the cabinetry will prevent you from banging your head on it…
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Bob,
You wrote: “even if it opens 3″, that’s still an improvement – and the cabinetry will prevent you from banging your head on it…”
True, it would open enough to do some good, at least until I (get someone to) modify the cabinet. But that brings me to having to spend big bucks for another pair of long portholes – a pair because if I’m going to do one side, I’m going to do the other and enjoy improved ventilation in the head, too. Seems to me the first pair I bought a couple of years ago cost $670. I shudder to think what they’re up to now.
Tor
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Tor,
I wasn't suggesting that you replace yours – you've already said that you're good to go with things the way they are. I am, too – I've replaced three of those things and although I don't like the look on the port side, I'll just take pictures on the starboard. I took your advice to replace the one in the shower instead of the galley. And I'm really glad I did.
I purchased mine last year for almost $1300 – a bit over $400 each. I'm not likely to do the last one until I get a job… And that may be never…
I wouldn't even bother modifying the cabinet. You'll lose good storage space and you won't gain that much. Frankly, if I could get a non-opening portlight that looked on the outside like the opening ones, I'd call it a day.
Bob
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Original non-opening? I just trashed mine. Apparently there's no market for them! 🙂
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I've got four. Cheap.
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Bob
I went up on my boat last night and took a close look at what I have. The opening portlight clears the cabinet by a hair. The corner would have hit the hinge on the cabinet door over the sink. I ground a small grove in the edge of the hatch to clear the hinge and it opens completely.Rich
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Hi Quent – do you have a picture? Rich, my port would open right into the cabinet – even if I made it go as far forward as possible. There edge of the port is easily 3″ inside the cabinet edge. But as I said to Tor, even a three inch opening is an improvement.
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What I have is four large Bomar opening ports identical to the ones that came with our 1981 P-424. I took them apart, painted them with outboard motor paint which I don’t recommend, since it only holds up a couple yers. They should be repainted with powder coat, or a good two part marine paint. I reglazed them with the same tinted lexan as Bomar hatches. All the hardware is in good shape, But I don’t have exterior trim rings or screens, or gaskets.
Used and sometimes new never installed Bomars are not impossible to find. Bacon’s, here in Annapolis usually has some at much less than the new from Bomar outrageous price.
The gasket is the same as for the hatches, 7/16″ round foam rubber. The ouside trim rings are hard to find used as they are hard to remove intact. The screen frames are sometimes possible to find and are easy to rescreen.
IMO, these are not great ports. They leak, sweat profusely in cold weather, and do not hold paint well. Their virtues are that they are cheap and available second hand, and are massively strong.
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“They leak, sweat profusely in cold weather, and do not hold paint well.”. I have large opening Bowmar ports. I wonder if we have the same ports. There’s not much you can do about sweating. Mine don’t leak however. I painted mine with 1-part polyurithane paint because the were the wrong color. I wanted gray but they came in a different color. The 1-part paint holds up for a few years but must be renewed. I haven’t tried 2-part paint on the hatches; too much work.
My only complaint is that there’s no drain hole in the bottom of the frame. If water pools in there opening the port can be a wet experience.
Rich
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Likely they are the same, perhaps the same castings but different generations. That’s about how long my paint lasts. I used zinc chromate primer (“yellow death”) then a couple coats of white, then a few coats of clear coat. All from spray cans. Looks good for a couple years then sort of wears off. The new ones have a nice thick finish that looks baked on.
I’m going to pull them all out this winter and redo them. Unless I get the tension on the dogs just right, rain finds its way in. I miss the Lewmar ports from our P-36. They never leaked.
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