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May 1, 2009 at 6:24 am #67492
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SpectatorI’d search for ADA Grab Rail on Google. I found some stainless steel ones, but they were satin finish and 304 not 316 SS.
http://www.grabbarspecialists.com/products.php?cat=7-p
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May 1, 2009 at 1:50 pm #72596
Tor
ParticipantThanks, Pat. The handles you found are somewhat similar, but not right for my application. The 1-1/2″ O.D. (as opposed to 1″) is OK, but 1-1/2″ wall clearance isn’t, at least not for what I’m doing. (Oddly, they don’t mention the lengths of the various handles they’re offering.) I need the 4″ clearance like the handle Pearson mounted by the mid-ship companionway. Also, the mounts on this ADA handle are wimpy single bolts. The boat requires the 3″ around, 1/8″ or 3/16″ ss mounting plates with 3 holes for proper thru-bolting. ADA’s prices are nice, though.
I’m using the handles I’m having fabricated to continue the transom boarding ladder. I removed the original, cut and hinged it, and re-mounted it lower down and offset to port. Now it’ll be easier to climb up from the water, aligned with the offset stern rail gate instead of mid-ship, and it will fold up against the transom neatly without protruding above the afterdeck. However, this set up requires two more rungs above the folding ladder. That’s what I want the handles for, so they really do need to be strong and strongly mounted, with enough clearance for comfortable footing.
Tor
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May 1, 2009 at 2:14 pm #72597
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They have various flange varieties here too. Great find.
Patrick Walters wrote:
Quote:I’d search for ADA Grab Rail on Google. I found some stainless steel
ones, but they were satin finish and 304 not 316 SS.
http://www.grabbarspecialists.com/products.php?cat=7-p
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May 1, 2009 at 2:52 pm #72600
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ParticipantTor
You mentioned an off set stern rail gate. I know that you have a ketch as do I. I have thought of making a gate to make it easier to get out of the water. Even with the swim platform and a fold down step up higher on the transom the transition from one side of the rail to the other is a bit scary especially with wet feet ( because they always are wet ). I have saved all the photos that you sent and have not noticed the gate. Do you think that the mizzen sheet has a strong enough attachment point with the stern rail cut? Pics would be great if you have the time. We spend a lot of time in the water whenever possible and this is something that I have pondered for a while. Which is most of what I seem to be doing lately.
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May 1, 2009 at 3:03 pm #72601
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ParticipantTor
Looked back over you pictures of your canvas and saw the rubber tip on the cut off rail. Have you experienced any heavy weather with the motor on the bracket since you cut the rail? I would love to do it but I am still worried about the strength.
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May 1, 2009 at 3:38 pm #72603
Tor
ParticipantLinus,
The attached photo may be what you found. I’m away from the boat for the next couple of weeks, so cannot take a better one for you right now.
I didn’t cut the rail. The boat came that way. While I have not sailed this boat enough yet to have experienced heavy weather in her, I believe the outboard is secure on its bracket since it is perched directly on top of a thru-bolted stanchion. The mizzen sheet attachment point on the other side of the “gate” is very strong thanks to the triangular support tubing directly beneath it, also thru-bolted, which I believe is Pearson’s handiwork.
Many years ago I managed to topple overboard from the foredeck of a former boat of mine while weighing anchor in a very remote spot, single-handed and entirely alone. The anchor had already broken free so the boat was in fact adrift with the main and mizzen sails hoisted and luffing. It could have been a mortally serious situation, but I was able to pull myself up onto the deck at the side boarding gate because I’m a fairly strong swimmer and, in 1977, was a fairly strong young man, as well. I’m not at all sure I could do the same now with this boat’s higher freeboard. My new ladder design is to ensure that I always have a way back onto the boat if I dive (or fall) overboard with the swim ladder in the up position. It’ll be held up with a slip knot, the trip line led to within reach of a swimmer. Of course, if I’m ever anchored in a harbor where I think a swimming intruder might make use of this feature to board the boat, I can always pull in the trip line as a castle under siege pulls in its drawbridge. Tally-ho!
Tor
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