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There have been dozens of ketches anchored here in MH over the past month with numerous blows, and several near gales. I don't remember any of them using their mizzen as a riding sail.
John
BTW, there is another P424 (cutter) in the anchorage from Canada, “Northern Rebel”. I don't see the name on the website. I talked briefly with them yesterday, but I had a dinghy full of groceries so I couldn't chat for long. Today is not a good dinghy day. Looks like a young Canadian family. The boat has a hailing port of Sault St. Marie. Anyone familiar with this boat?
John
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:37 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I don't remember a discussion of this subject in the past so while I'm watching Sarah sail back and forth at anchor in 20 – 25 kts of wind I thought I would bring it up.
I don't use my mizzen as a riding sail – primarily because it is so blown out I think it would increase the sailing at anchor, even when reefed. I'll probably replace this sail sometime this year, after I get back to the states. I will likely opt for another fully battened sail and a single deep reef point. At that point I will likely start experimenting with it as a riding sail.
Anyone had success using the mizzen sail in the manner, and if so how is your sail configured? Anyone tried this and found it ineffective or counter productive?
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I just use my riding sail anytime I anchor… Helps the fixed windbugger
windmill mounted on the mizzen mast stay pointed into the wind.Pete
John Stevenson wrote:
There have been dozens of ketches anchored here in MH over the past
month with numerous blows, and several near gales. I don’t remember
any of them using their mizzen as a riding sail.John
BTW, there is another P424 (cutter) in the anchorage from Canada,
“Northern Rebel”. I don’t see the name on the website. I talked
briefly with them yesterday, but I had a dinghy full of groceries so I
couldn’t chat for long. Today is not a good dinghy day. Looks like a
young Canadian family. The boat has a hailing port of Sault St.
Marie. Anyone familiar with this boat?John
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:37 PM, John Stevenson
<I don’t remember a discussion of this subject in the past so while
I’m watching Sarah sail back and forth at anchor in 20 – 25 kts of
wind I thought I would bring it up.I don’t use my mizzen as a riding sail – primarily because it is
so blown out I think it would increase the sailing at anchor, even
when reefed. I’ll probably replace this sail sometime this year,
after I get back to the states. I will likely opt for another
fully battened sail and a single deep reef point. At that point I
will likely start experimenting with it as a riding sail.Anyone had success using the mizzen sail in the manner, and if so
how is your sail configured? Anyone tried this and found it
ineffective or counter productive?—
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John Stevenson
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Pete,
I assume you are saying the mizzen is your riding sail. Is it fairly flat? Do you reef it in fresh winds? Anything about your mizzen that you think makes it a suitable riding sail?I'm curious why all these other ketches haven't used it when we've all been sailing at anchor.
John
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Pete Dubler < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I just use my riding sail anytime I anchor… Helps the fixed windbugger windmill mounted on the mizzen mast stay pointed into the wind.
Pete
John Stevenson wrote:
There have been dozens of ketches anchored here in MH over the past month with numerous blows, and several near gales. I don't remember any of them using their mizzen as a riding sail.
John
BTW, there is another P424 (cutter) in the anchorage from Canada, “Northern Rebel”. I don't see the name on the website. I talked briefly with them yesterday, but I had a dinghy full of groceries so I couldn't chat for long. Today is not a good dinghy day. Looks like a young Canadian family. The boat has a hailing port of Sault St. Marie. Anyone familiar with this boat?
John
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:37 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])
I don't remember a discussion of this subject in the past so while
I'm watching Sarah sail back and forth at anchor in 20 – 25 kts of
wind I thought I would bring it up.I don't use my mizzen as a riding sail – primarily because it is
so blown out I think it would increase the sailing at anchor, even
when reefed. I'll probably replace this sail sometime this year,
after I get back to the states. I will likely opt for another
fully battened sail and a single deep reef point. At that point I
will likely start experimenting with it as a riding sail.Anyone had success using the mizzen sail in the manner, and if so
how is your sail configured? Anyone tried this and found it
ineffective or counter productive?— Regards,
John Stevensonhttp://www.svsarah.com <http://www.svsarah.com>
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John,
I'd assume they're actually using a riding sail on the mizzen mast – it's hanked onto the mizzen topping lift and raised with the mizzen halyard. The tack is usually attached to the boom end with a pennant that allows it to be up off the boom. The clew would then be run forward to one of the mizzen winches.
Or, it could the tack could be on the sternrail with a wire through the luff to the mizzen halyard without being attached to the topping lift or some combination of the above.
I'd think even a reefed mizzen would be too much and pretty hard on the sail.
Now that you mention it, perhaps I'll make one…
Bob
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Thanks for you input Bob. That's probably why I don't see any mizzens set in the anchorage. Don't see any riding sails right now either. The few I've seen have been on sloops, set on the backstay.
Hoping not to have another sail to make or purchase, but I do need to do something about the anchor sailing.
John
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
John,
I'd assume they're actually using a riding sail on the mizzen mast – it's hanked onto the mizzen topping lift and raised with the mizzen halyard. The tack is usually attached to the boom end with a pennant that allows it to be up off the boom. The clew would then be run forward to one of the mizzen winches.
Or, it could the tack could be on the sternrail with a wire through the luff to the mizzen halyard without being attached to the topping lift or some combination of the above.
I'd think even a reefed mizzen would be too much and pretty hard on the sail.
Now that you mention it, perhaps I'll make one…
Bob
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Hi John,
Let me think about this some more – it's hard with the cover on my boat. The riding sail is usually made out of Sunbrella or a cloth like that. I may be able to ask my sailmaker about it for ketches. I'll get back to you on that one. Or, if I figure out how to make one I'll let you know.
Bob
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:57 PM, John Stevenson < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Thanks for you input Bob. That's probably why I don't see any mizzens set in the anchorage. Don't see any riding sails right now either. The few I've seen have been on sloops, set on the backstay.
Hoping not to have another sail to make or purchase, but I do need to do something about the anchor sailing.
John
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Nope, I have a separate riding sail. Take 30 seconds to rig. Clips on
the end of the mizzen boom, a line goes down to the winch on the miz
mast and the head goes up on via the mizzen halyard. When the sail
cover comes out of the locker, so does the riding sail.Why don’t you see them? Probably cause most people don’t have them or
appreciate they utility. With a full keel boat like ours, it really
reduces the anchor swing and anchor sailing.Pete
John Stevenson wrote:
Pete,
I assume you are saying the mizzen is your riding sail. Is it fairly
flat? Do you reef it in fresh winds? Anything about your mizzen that
you think makes it a suitable riding sail?I’m curious why all these other ketches haven’t used it when we’ve all
been sailing at anchor.John
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Pete Dubler <
I just use my riding sail anytime I anchor… Helps the fixed
windbugger windmill mounted on the mizzen mast stay pointed into
the wind.Pete
John Stevenson wrote:
There have been dozens of ketches anchored here in MH over the
past month with numerous blows, and several near gales. I
don’t remember any of them using their mizzen as a riding sail.John
BTW, there is another P424 (cutter) in the anchorage from
Canada, “Northern Rebel”. I don’t see the name on the
website. I talked briefly with them yesterday, but I had a
dinghy full of groceries so I couldn’t chat for long. Today
is not a good dinghy day. Looks like a young Canadian family.
The boat has a hailing port of Sault St. Marie. Anyone
familiar with this boat?John
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:37 PM, John Stevenson
<
I don’t remember a discussion of this subject in the past
so while
I’m watching Sarah sail back and forth at anchor in 20 – 25
kts of
wind I thought I would bring it up.I don’t use my mizzen as a riding sail – primarily because
it is
so blown out I think it would increase the sailing at
anchor, even
when reefed. I’ll probably replace this sail sometime this
year,
after I get back to the states. I will likely opt for another
fully battened sail and a single deep reef point. At that
point I
will likely start experimenting with it as a riding sail.Anyone had success using the mizzen sail in the manner, and
if so
how is your sail configured? Anyone tried this and found it
ineffective or counter productive?— Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com <http://www.svsarah.com>
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JUST an observation. I noticed on close hauls and tacks that use of the mizzen brought me around in to the wind. From about 55 degrees and back , no. SO I started using the mizzen as a riding sail to stop movement at anchor or on the mooring, and if it blows more than 20 we reef it. Works fab. On the close hauls now, we don’t sheet in the mizzen as tight, and can hold a closer tack than with it. It just “gets in the way” when tacking.
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I’ve tried using the mizzen as a riding sail, but counld not get in tight enough to avoid sailing forward. I think about making two smaller sails with the bases of the triangles hanked to the twin backstays and the apex sheeted to some hardware on the cockpit coming.
Norris Larson, Easy Reach, #203
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