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Hi Guys:
I’ve got a chance to buy an almost new roller furler that was on the mizzen of a 42 Brewer ketch. I haven’t had a chance to do any measuring yet as far as the length of the boom or the luff of the mizzen. The guy is even throwing in a very nice sail. Does anybody have a roller furl. system on the mizzen. Your thoughts on making the swap? Does it make life at 65 easier? I have a helluva time raising & lowering the sail and getting the sail cover on/off my boat due to the construction of the bimini. I appreciate any input.
Jack on “MOJO”Calico Jack
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I’m a little younger than you and we hardly ever raise the mizzen because
its a pain with the bimini up (its always up). I think a roller furling
mizzen is an awesome compromise!-p
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W7PEAOn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 7:47 PM, calicojack wrote:
Hi Guys:
I’ve got a chance to buy an almost new roller furler that was on the
mizzen of a 42 Brewer ketch. I haven’t had a chance to do any measuring yet
as far as the length of the boom or the luff of the mizzen. The guy is even
throwing in a very nice sail. Does anybody have a roller furl. system on
the mizzen. Your thoughts on making the swap? Does it make life at 65
easier? I have a helluva time raising & lowering the sail and getting the
sail cover on/off my boat due to the construction of the bimini. I
appreciate any input.
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Jeez, I use the mizzen all the time! I hardly ever use the main. I can’t
imagine not using it. True, no bimini except when stopped…Bob
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Peaboy Walters wrote:
I’m a little younger than you and we hardly ever raise the mizzen because
its a pain with the bimini up (its always up). I think a roller furling
mizzen is an awesome compromise!-p
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W7PEAOn Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 7:47 PM, calicojack wrote:
Hi Guys:
I’ve got a chance to buy an almost new roller furler that was on the
mizzen of a 42 Brewer ketch. I haven’t had a chance to do any measuringyet
as far as the length of the boom or the luff of the mizzen. The guy is
even
throwing in a very nice sail. Does anybody have a roller furl. system on
the mizzen. Your thoughts on making the swap? Does it make life at 65
easier? I have a helluva time raising & lowering the sail and getting the
sail cover on/off my boat due to the construction of the bimini. I
appreciate any input.
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Jack,
A roller furling mizzen sail would probably be as handy as a roller
furing main, with the same performance compromize of a sail with no
roach. That’s a personal judgment call. But it would be ashame to switch
just because your bimini top is in the way.For some reason I cannot fathom, I seem to be the only one among us –
and as far as I’ve seen, the only one in the world – with a bimini that
actually works with an aft cockipit ketch (photos attached). It makes
handling the mizzen sail quick and easy, so I fly mine often. The only
down side is that the zippers leak a little in heavy rain. Ergo I made a
bimini tent fly, which keeps out rain but precludes using the mizzen
sail, so it’s only useful in port.Because I sail in the Caribbean, my bimini top is primarily a sun shade
and the zipper leaks aren’t a huge issue. In the Pacific Northwest you’d
probably want a completely rainproof roof over the cockpit so my
zip-flap bimini design would not be ideal – unless there’s a way to
waterproof the zippers that I don’t know about.Sailboat Rule Number 1: Everything is a compromise.
Reef early,
Tor
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Hi Jack and Tor,
With my new sewing machine, I’ve investigated that very issue- YKK now
makes waterproof zippers available at Sailrite. Of course, they’re more
expensive but it does solve that pesky problem with leaking zippers.Bob
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Jack,A roller furling mizzen sail would probably be as handy as a roller
furing main, with the same performance compromize of a sail with no
roach. That’s a personal judgment call. But it would be ashame to switch
just because your bimini top is in the way.For some reason I cannot fathom, I seem to be the only one among us –
and as far as I’ve seen, the only one in the world – with a bimini that
actually works with an aft cockipit ketch (photos attached). It makes
handling the mizzen sail quick and easy, so I fly mine often. The only
down side is that the zippers leak a little in heavy rain. Ergo I made a
bimini tent fly, which keeps out rain but precludes using the mizzen
sail, so it’s only useful in port.Because I sail in the Caribbean, my bimini top is primarily a sun shade
and the zipper leaks aren’t a huge issue. In the Pacific Northwest you’d
probably want a completely rainproof roof over the cockpit so my
zip-flap bimini design would not be ideal – unless there’s a way to
waterproof the zippers that I don’t know about.Sailboat Rule Number 1: Everything is a compromise.
Reef early,
Tor
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Awesome!
Tor
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Your Mizzen has any roach worth speaking of? With the topping lift and
running backs the 2′ wide headboard on my mizzen hangs up all the time as
it is. Given the small size of our mizzens I doubt the .01% loss in sail
size would amount to much loss at all. Completely agree with you about the
mainsail though.-p
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W7PEAOn Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Quote:Jack,A roller furling mizzen sail would probably be as handy as a roller
furing main, with the same performance compromize of a sail with no
roach. That’s a personal judgment call. But it would be ashame to switch
just because your bimini top is in the way.For some reason I cannot fathom, I seem to be the only one among us –
and as far as I’ve seen, the only one in the world – with a bimini that
actually works with an aft cockipit ketch (photos attached). It makes
handling the mizzen sail quick and easy, so I fly mine often. The only
down side is that the zippers leak a little in heavy rain. Ergo I made a
bimini tent fly, which keeps out rain but precludes using the mizzen
sail, so it’s only useful in port.Because I sail in the Caribbean, my bimini top is primarily a sun shade
and the zipper leaks aren’t a huge issue. In the Pacific Northwest you’d
probably want a completely rainproof roof over the cockpit so my
zip-flap bimini design would not be ideal – unless there’s a way to
waterproof the zippers that I don’t know about.Sailboat Rule Number 1: Everything is a compromise.
Reef early,
Tor
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
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Half Moon is for sale and can be seen on Yachtworld.com. She is brokered by Beaufort Yacht Sales.
If anyone is intrerested in seeing a 424 without a mizzen.
Joe________________________________
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Sailing on the west end of O’ahu is always challenging, unless you sail far off shore. The mountains and valleys can funnel the 15-20 trades to 30+ and keeps you on your toes. Our approach is to sail with jib and jigger, which eliminates hassling with reefing and constantly trimming a main. Of course, we’re never in a hurry.
Dan Kalinowski
Jolly Lama (#135)
Ko Olina, O’ahu -
In Banderas Bay (Puerto Vallarta) we were playing a lot with this
configuration during our day sailing. Its very nice.-p
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W7PEAOn Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:46 PM, kalinowski wrote:
Sailing on the west end of O’ahu is always challenging, unless you sail
far off shore. The mountains and valleys can funnel the 15-20 trades to
30+ and keeps you on your toes. Our approach is to sail with jib and
jigger, which eliminates hassling with reefing and constantly trimming a
main. Of course, we’re never in a hurry.Dan Kalinowski
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Brilliant as always Tor!
On 9/6/2012 5:36 AM, Silverheels wrote:
Jack,
A roller furling mizzen sail would probably be as handy as a roller
furing main, with the same performance compromize of a sail with no
roach. That’s a personal judgment call. But it would be ashame to switch
just because your bimini top is in the way.For some reason I cannot fathom, I seem to be the only one among us –
and as far as I’ve seen, the only one in the world – with a bimini that
actually works with an aft cockipit ketch (photos attached). It makes
handling the mizzen sail quick and easy, so I fly mine often. The only
down side is that the zippers leak a little in heavy rain. Ergo I made a
bimini tent fly, which keeps out rain but precludes using the mizzen
sail, so it’s only useful in port.Because I sail in the Caribbean, my bimini top is primarily a sun shade
and the zipper leaks aren’t a huge issue. In the Pacific Northwest you’d
probably want a completely rainproof roof over the cockpit so my
zip-flap bimini design would not be ideal – unless there’s a way to
waterproof the zippers that I don’t know about.Sailboat Rule Number 1: Everything is a compromise.
Reef early,
Tor
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Brilliant as always Tor!
Pete
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Thanks, Pete. I don’t know about brilliant, but I thought about it for a
couple of years before I built it and it worked out well. If the zippers
Bob Fine suggested are really leak proof, the design could be excellent.Tor
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Dan,
Hopefully your lady’s good at her craft. It’s a complicated awning to
make with so many zippers, but it’s worth it. You’ll be pleased. Just
see if you can get those leak-proof zippers Bob Fine mentioned.Regarding the “trombone” frame section that I labeled in the photos:
That aftermost section of fabric needed a way to be tightened a little
after it had stretched out, especially initially. The turnbuckles serve
that purpose for the rest of the top, but that aftermost section would
remain unaffected by adjusting the turnbuckles. So I made that broad
U-shaped tube separate and welded on 6 or 8″ stubs of slightly larger
diameter tube sticking out aft from the aftermost crossbar of the main
frame, being careful to get the angles just right. That way the
aftermost U piece can slide fore and aft inside those stubs “trombone
style,” to adjust the tightness of the fabric back there. A set screw in
each end then tightens the stubs to the “trombone” to hold the position.
(See attached photos.)Tor
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Cool. I’d love to see photos when it’s done.
Tor
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