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Gosh, have we beat the generator thread to death yet?
My boat (hull #47) came with a Hyde Stream-Stay roller furler. It was
attached to a bronze toggle about 12″ long (sorry, no exact measurement).
The Hyde system was a good unit for its day, but a piece of junk by today’s
standards. I assume that Pearson offered the same system on all their boats
built at the time. I doubt many have survived. I replaced mine with a
Profurl many years ago and have had no problem clearing the roller drum with
the anchor. The rigger used a similar length toggle, but stainless.http://www.richardcarter.net/Deck.html
If stay is original, it may be of benefit to replace the lower fitting with
a staylock or norseman fitting. These are reputed to be more reliable than
swaged fittings but more expensive. If they cut a few inches off the lower
fitting, there should be enough wire left to attach a new fitting with a
toggle. I suggest contacting a reputable rigger to inspect what you have
and provide a quote. The nice thing about compression fittings is that they
can be reused if you need to replace the wire later.The problem with a midship boarding ladder is that there typically isn’t
much left in the water for a swimmer to climb up on. If you use a transom
mount ladder, you can mount it lower and get more ladder in the water, but
then there’s a reach from the top rung to the deck. You can position a
couple of steps on the transom to help, but the 424 transom is has a reverse
pitch. A midship ladder is normally stowed below if you can find room. In
an emergency, this is a disadvantage. A transom ladder usually stays
in-place. Its there in an emergency for use to retrieve a man overboard.
They are exposed to salt spray however. Many of these ladders use a cheap
stainless alloy which rusts. Even stainless rusts. The rust can be
polished off with a little effort, but a better alloy requires less work.We just had a man-overboard drill last weekend; not my boat. Some drunk
fell off the club launch. It was dark and the water was very cold. He was
having trouble even standing, so over the side he went, backwards and
disappeared below the black water. Someone else jumped in and pulled him
up. I gave my attention to the throwable life-ring, but without a ladder,
there was no way to drag him back in the boat. Luckilly, there was a
midship ladder stowed for this purpose. By the time it was retrived and
positioned, the swimmers were out of reach. It kind of gives you an
appreciation for having a good ladder available. To make a long story
short, we retrieved both persons. In retrospect it was comical, but at the
time it was scary.No free lunches here. IMHO, if you want something that works well to get
people out of the water, go with a transom ladder. If you rarely use the
ladder for swimmers and you’re sure your crew won’t tumble overboard
head-first at midnight, maybe the midship ladder is for you.Regards
RichQuote:
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Rich,
I guess this one of those issue on which we won't agree, except that a mid-ship ladder is not a good man overboard rescue device. Not what it is intended for – just for swimmer/dinghy/water taxis access. The stern ladder might be useful in a MOB situation, when anchored or moored, but not more so than the midship ladder when underway. On a MOB situation underway, neither a transom or midship ladder is initially of much use. If you use a a LifeSling type of recovery device the midship ladder might be of value if the MOB is able to work his/her self up a ladder with support from the sling. Otherwise both ladders are just for swimmers.FWIW, my midship ladder has two rungs below the waterline for swimmers.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rich Carter < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Gosh, have we beat the generator thread to death yet?My boat (hull #47) came with a Hyde Stream-Stay roller furler. It was
attached to a bronze toggle about 12″ long (sorry, no exact measurement).
The Hyde system was a good unit for its day, but a piece of junk by today's
standards. I assume that Pearson offered the same system on all their boats
built at the time. I doubt many have survived. I replaced mine with a
Profurl many years ago and have had no problem clearing the roller drum with
the anchor. The rigger used a similar length toggle, but stainless.http://www.richardcarter.net/Deck.html
If stay is original, it may be of benefit to replace the lower fitting with
a staylock or norseman fitting. These are reputed to be more reliable than
swaged fittings but more expensive. If they cut a few inches off the lower
fitting, there should be enough wire left to attach a new fitting with a
toggle. I suggest contacting a reputable rigger to inspect what you have
and provide a quote. The nice thing about compression fittings is that they
can be reused if you need to replace the wire later.The problem with a midship boarding ladder is that there typically isn't
much left in the water for a swimmer to climb up on. If you use a transom
mount ladder, you can mount it lower and get more ladder in the water, but
then there's a reach from the top rung to the deck. You can position a
couple of steps on the transom to help, but the 424 transom is has a reverse
pitch. A midship ladder is normally stowed below if you can find room. In
an emergency, this is a disadvantage. A transom ladder usually stays
in-place. Its there in an emergency for use to retrieve a man overboard.
They are exposed to salt spray however. Many of these ladders use a cheap
stainless alloy which rusts. Even stainless rusts. The rust can be
polished off with a little effort, but a better alloy requires less work.We just had a man-overboard drill last weekend; not my boat. Some drunk
fell off the club launch. It was dark and the water was very cold. He was
having trouble even standing, so over the side he went, backwards and
disappeared below the black water. Someone else jumped in and pulled him
up. I gave my attention to the throwable life-ring, but without a ladder,
there was no way to drag him back in the boat. Luckilly, there was a
midship ladder stowed for this purpose. By the time it was retrived and
positioned, the swimmers were out of reach. It kind of gives you an
appreciation for having a good ladder available. To make a long story
short, we retrieved both persons. In retrospect it was comical, but at the
time it was scary.No free lunches here. IMHO, if you want something that works well to get
people out of the water, go with a transom ladder. If you rarely use the
ladder for swimmers and you're sure your crew won't tumble overboard
head-first at midnight, maybe the midship ladder is for you.Regards
RichQuote:
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FWIW I have the Foldaway made by this company. A little pricey, but it’s very well built and works well.
http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html
alan— On Wed, 7/15/09, John Stevenson <> wrote:
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