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I don’t know about the rest of you folks, but there are many times I wish my winches were bigger. I fly a 150% gennoa. I find that the relatively short 424 rig needs the extra sail area. When sheeting in the headsail when close-hauled in anything other than a light breeze I find the last few feet to be a bear.
A longer handle hits the dodger frame. Unless the handle were very long, it wouldn’t provide much improvement anyway. Even the speed-shift handle is too short to make much of a difference. I’ve considered replacing the winches, but the cost of a new pair of winches is several boat units. I’ve got Lewmar 46 winches. I’d have to go to Lewmar 50 winches at about $5k/pr to gain enough leverage to sheet in the headsail. Larger winches are taller too, so I’d have to raise the lifelines or the handle won’t clear. This means new stanchions.
Has anyone come up with a solution to this?
How many others out there wish their winches were more powerful?
Who out there is satisfied with your winch and what model do you have?
Rich
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Rich,
I have Lewmar 54’s for my headsail…located in the cockpit so no issues with the dodger. My headsail is 135%. In strong winds I “cheat” to the wind to take pressure off the sail and set it close. Then fall off. I know that’s tough when single handing, but I use my autopilot…..Simrad makes a fine first mate.Joe,
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Rich,
I had larger winches on Sarah when I purchased her in 2000 – Lewmar 48, 3-speed, not ST. I always felt they were way oversized for the sail (135%, not 150%). So I replaced them with Andersen 46 STs in 2003. I've never felt the 46s were underpowered nor have I regretted that decision. Then again I don't race this boat, if I did I would probably have a similar larger sail and I would be doing a lot more close-hauled sailing. So in that case I might regret giving up those 48s. One thing that will increase the power of any winch is a longer handle with grips for two hands. Of course the closeness of the life lines and the cockpit Biminis most of us have restrict the effectiveness of the longer handle.On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:49 AM, < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I don't know about the rest of you folks, but there are many times I wish my winches were bigger. I fly a 150% gennoa. I find that the relatively short 424 rig needs the extra sail area. When sheeting in the headsail when close-hauled in anything other than a light breeze I find the last few feet to be a bear.
A longer handle hits the dodger frame. Unless the handle were very long, it wouldn't provide much improvement anyway. Even the speed-shift handle is too short to make much of a difference. I've considered replacing the winches, but the cost of a new pair of winches is several boat units. I've got Lewmar 46 winches. I'd have to go to Lewmar 50 winches at about $5k/pr to gain enough leverage to sheet in the headsail. Larger winches are taller too, so I'd have to raise the lifelines or the handle won't clear. This means new stanchions.
Has anyone come up with a solution to this?
How many others out there wish their winches were more powerful?
Who out there is satisfied with your winch and what model do you have?
Rich
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John Stevenson
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Hi Rich,
I kept the original 3 speed winches and added near the wheel two Andersen 46's, all on the combing. I use them for the spinnaker, 140% jib, and everything else. They're self tailers. There are really a couple of issues here – one is that if the Andersens and the original Lewmars are too small to handle the 150, you should probably think about reefing. There are several Lewmar three speed winches like ours for sale either through consignment shops or on line that you could add near the wheel. It makes a HUGE difference in how you manage the boat. The other idea is adding a 'tweaker' – basically a small snatch block that rides the sheet with a turning block back to the cockpit that you can use to pull the clew down and close the leech – you could also mount it on the cabin top to bring the clew in and down.
Unfortunately with the sheer and the high furling system like I have, there's no way to bring the jib in flat. A tweaker helps with that. At the Newport Boat Show, Andersen was selling large self tailing winches for 3K. I was sorely tempted to replace the originals…
Bob
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Rich,
I had larger winches on Sarah when I purchased her in 2000 – Lewmar 48, 3-speed, not ST. I always felt they were way oversized for the sail (135%, not 150%). So I replaced them with Andersen 46 STs in 2003. I've never felt the 46s were underpowered nor have I regretted that decision. Then again I don't race this boat, if I did I would probably have a similar larger sail and I would be doing a lot more close-hauled sailing. So in that case I might regret giving up those 48s. One thing that will increase the power of any winch is a longer handle with grips for two hands. Of course the closeness of the life lines and the cockpit Biminis most of us have restrict the effectiveness of the longer handle.On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:49 AM, < ([email][/email])> wrote:
I don't know about the rest of you folks, but there are many times I wish my winches were bigger. I fly a 150% gennoa. I find that the relatively short 424 rig needs the extra sail area. When sheeting in the headsail when close-hauled in anything other than a light breeze I find the last few feet to be a bear.
A longer handle hits the dodger frame. Unless the handle were very long, it wouldn't provide much improvement anyway. Even the speed-shift handle is too short to make much of a difference. I've considered replacing the winches, but the cost of a new pair of winches is several boat units. I've got Lewmar 46 winches. I'd have to go to Lewmar 50 winches at about $5k/pr to gain enough leverage to sheet in the headsail. Larger winches are taller too, so I'd have to raise the lifelines or the handle won't clear. This means new stanchions.
Has anyone come up with a solution to this?
How many others out there wish their winches were more powerful?
Who out there is satisfied with your winch and what model do you have?
Rich
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John Stevenson
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I have Lewmar 48 ST and find they are adequate for the job. I fly a 150 as well, and on the Cutter rig which is a few feet higher than the Ketch rig. I agree the best way to increase leverage is by using a longer handle.
Rodd
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OK, here’s my 2-cents: Silver Heels came with Lewmar 48ST’s, which are adequate for the 135% genoa she carries. Even so, I also use that trick of momentarily luffing up a point when I sheet the jenny in. In fact, I rarely have to crank with the handle at all since a quick luff up and a hearty tug on the line usually does the trick.
I moved the sheet winches 44″ farther aft on the combing from where Pearson put them, (1) so I can reach them from the helm, and (2) so that human beings can step between the side decks and the cockpit without tripping over the primary winches. (What was Pearson thinking when he put them there?!) Additionally, I removed the lower life line from the boarding gates aft to the pushpit. They are, IMHO, unnecessary since the cockpit combing and the upper life line are only 15″ apart, and the rigging turnbuckles and bimini framework provide additional caging. Someone would have to work very hard to slip through that slot.
So, for you the choice seems to be (1) spend the big bucks for the big winches, place them farther aft and remove the lower life lines back there, or (2) luff up for a few seconds when the 150 is too hard to crank in.
And as we snail-paced cruisers say…
Reef early,
Tor
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Sounds like the PO also moved the winches further aft when he installed the 54ST’s and with the added height, the lifeline does not get in the way. I really like those large winches. I even use them to lift a person up the mast. So, if you plan on buying new winches, the 54’s have this additional benefit. They are just high enough so that the winch handle passes between the 2 lifelines.
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I hope folks don’t mind hijacking the mailing list. What I’m doing is directly related to the 424, but has a larger audience. I’m working on something. I can’t reveal too much until after the patent application has been submitted. If there were a way to retrofit your existing winches to add a third gear for about $300 each, would folks be interested or are they happy with what they have? The retrofit is seamless and can be done without removing the winch base. Before I write a big check out to the patent attorney I’d like to know if there is a market for this. I’ve done about as much as I can on my end. The lawyer wants a check to proceed. After the patent is pending, I promise to provide more information.
If I’m successful, I’ll try to get 424 owner’s a discount. I’ll have to get manufacturers like Lewmar to sign a license agreement and tool up for the retrofit. I don’t expect to be directly involved with the retrofit. I don’t know if there are enough potential customers to convince Lewmar into investing in the tooling required to keep the cost down. If about 10% or more of boats over 30 feet were interested, I think that would be enough.
Rich
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Rich
I have a 2 speed Lewmar 48ST winches for my jib…
Works OK for me but my diminutive admiral sometimes has a hard time sheeting in…
$300 doesn't sound like a bad price to get another gear that would keep her grinding…
I would do it.Rick
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Quote:I hope folks don't mind hijacking the mailing list. What I'm doing is directly related to the 424, but has a larger audience. I'm working on something. I can't reveal too much until after the patent application has been submitted. If there were a way to retrofit your existing winches to add a third gear for about $300 each, would folks be interested or are they happy with what they have? The retrofit is seamless and can be done without removing the winch base. Before I write a big check out to the patent attorney I'd like to know if there is a market for this. I've done about as much as I can on my end. The lawyer wants a check to proceed. After the patent is pending, I promise to provide more information.If I'm successful, I'll try to get 424 owner's a discount. I'll have to get manufacturers like Lewmar to sign a license agreement and tool up for the retrofit. I don't expect to be directly involved with the retrofit. I don't know if there are enough potential customers to convince Lewmar into investing in the tooling required to keep the cost down. If about 10% or more of boats over 30 feet were interested, I think that would be enough.
Rich
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I have the original 3 speed winches and I hardly ever use the 1-to1 ratio (what you get for pressing the button). I would think a better retrofit would be a self-tailing jobber-do that doesn't cost the same as a new winch…
I've found the Lewmar 46s to be more than powerful enough, as are my smaller Andersens. With a 10″ handle, I think I could pull the mast down in first gear. The only reason I don't use them regularly is because of their position and that they're not self-tailers. More the latter than the former with autopilot.
Bob
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I echo Rick’s comment. I’d buy them, too.
Lee
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“…*What was Pearson thinking when he put them there?!”
Perhaps maybe allowing room for spinnaker winches further aft, which is
what I have on my boat.Pete
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Joseph Steiner wrote:Quote:Sounds like the PO also moved the winches further aft when he
installed the 54ST’s and with the added height, the lifeline does not
get in the way. I really like those large winches. I even use them to
lift a person up the mast. So, if you plan on buying new winches, the
54’s have this additional benefit. They are just high enough so that
the winch handle passes between the 2 lifelines.
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Ah, perhaps that’s it, Pete. However, I’m just now mounting Lewmar 8’s as staysail sheet winches (16’s would fit as well) forward of my primary sheet winches, with an 8″ cleat in between them and room to spare, plus a shortened, athwartships cleat just forward of it all. Still, everything is well aft and clear of the forward 2′ of the cockpit combing, which is where you have to step passing to and from the side decks. When I bought my boat I heard it said that the 424’s were notorious for lousy access there, but the solution was so obvious and simple I laughed it off. Moving those primaries was, literally, the first thing I did when I began this (endless) refit.
I don’t usually say one thing is right and another is wrong regarding boat features and preferences. Different poles for different souls, as Sly might’ve said had he been a sailor. But this seems like a pretty clear case of dumb and dumber. People have to pass in and out of the cockpit all the time, and it needs to be easy and safe. That’s not the case with a huge winch directly (and unnecessarily) in your path. With all due respect (and I mean that), I think Mr. Pearson (and/or Mr. Shaw) screwed up there.
Tor
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Tor,
I wonder if you might post a “June Taylor Dancers” type photo of your
cockpit? (That is a view from above, for those of you too young to
remember the Jackie Gleason show….)… (oh gosh, I’m getting old..)Pete
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Quote:Ah, perhaps that’s it, Pete. However, I’m just now mounting Lewmar
8’s as staysail sheet winches (16’s would fit as well) forward of my
primary sheet winches, with an 8″ cleat in between them and room to
spare, plus a shortened, athwartships cleat just forward of it
all. Still, everything is well aft and clear of the forward 2′ of the
cockpit combing, which is where you have to step passing to and from
the side decks. When I bought my boat I heard it said that the 424’s
were notorious for lousy access there, but the solution was so obvious
and simple I laughed it off. Moving those primaries was, literally,
the first thing I did when I began this (endless) refit.I don’t usually say one thing is right and another is wrong regarding
boat features and preferences. Different poles for different souls, as
Sly might’ve said had he been a sailor. But this seems like a pretty
clear case of dumb and dumber. People have to pass in and out of the
cockpit all the time, and it needs to be easy and safe. That’s not the
case with a huge winch directly (and unnecessarily) in your path. With
all due respect (and I mean that), I think Mr. Pearson (and/or Mr.
Shaw) screwed up there.*Tor
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I have Lewmar 55 ST’s mounted as in the picture.
I have learned to put my left hand, palm down, over the top of my right hand which I’m grinding with so my left hand forces the lifeline up and over my hands and allow me to make a full turn. It’s a tad annoying… and now that you remind me of that.. winch locations and sheeting for jib and spinnaklers; now on on the list. If I move the stern pulpit outboard to the toerail (more likely that I thought) it will probably clear that up.
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I don’t know about the rest of you folks, but there are many times I wish my winches were bigger. I fly a 150% gennoa. I find that the relatively short 424 rig needs the extra sail area. When sheeting in the headsail when close-hauled in anything other than a light breeze I find the last few feet to be a bear.A longer handle hits the dodger frame. Unless the handle were very long, it wouldn’t provide much improvement anyway. Even the speed-shift handle is too short to make much of a difference. I’ve considered replacing the winches, but the cost of a new pair of winches is several boat units. I’ve got Lewmar 46 winches. I’d have to go to Lewmar 50 winches at about $5k/pr to gain enough leverage to sheet in the headsail. Larger winches are taller too, so I’d have to raise the lifelines or the handle won’t clear. This means new stanchions.
Has anyone come up with a solution to this?
How many others out there wish their winches were more powerful?
Who out there is satisfied with your winch and what model do you have?
Rich
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Some other pics of winch setups moved further aft attached….
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Pelican – https://www.pearson424.org/gallery/PelicanWinches Read the story: http://thesailinglife.blogspot.com/2008/03/one-of-first-signs-of-spring.html-p
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Subject: re: sheet winchesI have Lewmar 55 ST’s mounted as in the picture.
I have learned to put my left hand, palm down, over the top of my right hand which I’m grinding with so my left hand forces the lifeline up and over my hands and allow me to make a full turn. It’s a tad annoying… and now that you remind me of that.. winch locations and sheeting for jib and spinnaklers; now on on the list. If I move the stern pulpit outboard to the toerail (more likely that I thought) it will probably clear that up.
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I don’t know about the rest of you folks, but there are many times I wish my winches were bigger. I fly a 150% gennoa. I find that the relatively short 424 rig needs the extra sail area. When sheeting in the headsail when close-hauled in anything other than a light breeze I find the last few feet to be a bear.A longer handle hits the dodger frame. Unless the handle were very long, it wouldn’t provide much improvement anyway. Even the speed-shift handle is too short to make much of a difference. I’ve considered replacing the winches, but the cost of a new pair of winches is several boat units. I’ve got Lewmar 46 winches. I’d have to go to Lewmar 50 winches at about $5k/pr to gain enough leverage to sheet in the headsail. Larger winches are taller too, so I’d have to raise the lifelines or the handle won’t clear. This means new stanchions.
Has anyone come up with a solution to this?
How many others out there wish their winches were more powerful?
Who out there is satisfied with your winch and what model do you have?
Rich
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Thanks Dawn and Patrick! -
Thanks to Jim Barch for the nice words about our Jubilee. We have turning blocks aft of the primaries (48’s). We find they give a mechanical advantage to trimming the genoa. It hasn’t felt overloaded at any time, but then again, we’ve only had her for a year and haven’t done a whole lot of sailing on her yet. 🙂 I’m not real internet saavy and am not sure how to post pictures of the blocks, however, there are pictures on Flickr (pearson group) of them. I have just posted a few more at different angles, but they’ll take some time to show up to the group. However, searching pearson 424 jubilee sailing should bring up all our pictures, even the newer ones.
Sean
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Pete,
I’ll be happy to take some cockpit photos when I get back aboard later today, unfortunately sans June Taylor. (But I am moored in Taylor Creek. Does that count?)
I remember the Jackie Gleason show, but I’m in total denial regarding getting old. That’s something other people do.
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Thanks to all for the inputs. I was working on a 2-speed winch handle. After spending several more hours doing a patent search, I found that someone had already patented the idea; not exactly as I might have made it but close enough. They patented it almost 20 years ago, 5048799 . Their claim has expired. They were apparently never able to get any commercial interest. Too bad, since I really want a pair. It would give me the extra torque advantage I want when sheeting-in in heavy air.
I had a better gear mechanism that provides an easier way to switch the gears in and out, but I don’t think it’s sufficiently different from their patent. I wonder why nobody licensed the idea and produced one? I had draft mechanical drawings prepared and was working on the patent text. I spent quite a lot of time on it including sarching through several hundred existing patents. I had plans to meet with the lawyer next week to give him a check. Since its raining here today, I spend the day searching again for patents. I’m glad I found the other patent before I wasted my money. Nothing lost but my time.
Judging from the respose I got, there aren’t enough folks interested in adding a gear to their winches. Maybe that’s why nobody ever built it. Maybe this is all for the best 🙁This still leaves me with undersized winches. I checked my winchs and I have Lewmar 48st. My boat came without self-tailing winches. I replace them with the same winch size shortly after I bought the boat. Pearson made the 424 in three different rig sizes. My mast height is 48 feet, I suspect they increased winch size during the coarse of production. They may have even offered larger winches as an upgrade. Replacing the primaries would be very difficult. That’s the primary reason I didn’t go with a larger winch when I refitted with self-tailers. That and the extra cost. The hole pattern for the new winches wouldn’t match what’s cut in the combing. I’d have to fill in the holes and redrill, then raise the lifelines or put the winches up on a pedestal. Ideally, they should be mounted aft a little more. I couldn’t put them within reach of the helmsman because the bimini frame is in the way. A small spinnaker winch would probably fit there however.
Someone makes a winch handle that telescopes out to switch from 7″ to 10″. IMHO, this is pretty useless for two speed winches. 10″ is barely long enough to make a difference. You don’t have a ratchet action with a 2-speed winch. One direction is high-gear, one is low. I have 10″ winch handles and they are too long. If used, my hand hits the dodger when cranking. What I really need is a ratcheting winch handle. Then I could go with a 12″ handle and ratchet it back and forth with no fear of hitting my hand. It also would let me use a partial circle when cranking the winch. The regular handle requires full revolutions if you want to stay in low gear.
http://sailing.about.com/b/2009/09/28/the-search-for-the-perfect-winch-handle.htm
Barient used to make these. I think I may have owned one at one point in time but its probably at the bottom of the ocean. They even had one with a locking tab. I think Barient used to make a top-notch winch. Too bad they went out of business. Nobody makes these handles anymore and I can’t find one on the internet.
http://l-36.com/winches/wnchhndl.htm
Anyone have a connection at Harken, Lewmar or Garhauer? There’s a too obvious need here to be ignored.
Rich
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Hi Rich,
I see your problem – I'm not sure how your dodger frame comes, but if your primary winches are in the same place as mine (where I suppose Pearson put them), then perhaps you can change how the dodger is supported to get distance you need for swinging a 12″ or even 14″ handle.
On Pelican, I think I could use an 18″ handle if there was something like that. If your mast is 48 feet, it's the same as mine (I have a ketch). For me, the hard part was putting a secondary near the wheel where I could use my favorite titanium handles… I actually re-routed the lower lifeline.
Or, I may be totally clueless to the problem. I have a 140% and with the original winches (3 speed) I had no problem at all cranking it in. Well, as far in as the clew would allow given it was 8 feet off the deck.
Bob
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Pete,
Here (photos attached) is the winch & cleat layout I was describing. The tin can represents where I’m about to mount the staysail sheet’s #8 winch. The 8″ cleat in between the winches is for the staysail sheet on the leeward side, and the running backstay sheet on the windward side. The athwartships cleat, which I shortened by cutting off the horn tips, holds the roller furling pennant on the port side, and is absent on the starboard coaming. I can manage all lines from the helm, and can step unhindered between the cockpit and the side decks.
If one were to install a self-tailing staysail sheet winch, it would be possible to eliminate the 8″ cleat and, if desired, move the smaller winch and the roller furling pennant cleat even further aft.
Tor
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Thanks Tor.
How would you grind the #8 winch if there was one there, with all the
stuff in the way?Pete
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Quote:Pete,Here (photos attached) is the winch & cleat layout I was describing.
The tin can represents where I’m about to mount the staysail sheet’s
#8 winch. The 8″ cleat in between the winches is for the staysail
sheet on the leeward side, and the running backstay sheet on the
windward side. The athwartships cleat, which I shortened by cutting
off the horn tips, holds the roller furling pennant on the port side,
and is absent on the starboard coaming. I can manage all lines from
the helm, and can step unhindered between the cockpit and the side decks.If one were to install a self-tailing staysail sheet winch, it would
be possible to eliminate the 8″ cleat and, if desired, move the
smaller winch and the roller furling pennant cleat even further aft.*Tor
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Pete,
That winch can only be ratcheted – there’s more than 180° available for that – but I don’t think I’ll need to very often. My staysail is small, actually an original “small yankee” that came with the boat – so virgin new after 30 years the bronze hanks are still shiny. I don’t think it has ever been flown! The winch is more for pulling than cranking. I usually just luff up a little and give headsail sheets a tug, even the jenny. At least, that’s the theory.
Tor
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Hi Rich,
I think the winches were stock-not self tailers. The third speed is a
useless 1 to 1 ratio…Bob
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The dodger frame can’t be moved. It would screw-up the dodger which is very
important to me. 3-speed winches hey? Someone spent some bucks on those…Regards
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