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I need to replace the starting battery for my W58. It
was beginning to fail at the end of last season and
during the winter it refused the take a charge.
Question: What is everyone using for a start battery a
27 or 29?
When I removed the battery from the stock Pearson
battery box yesterday I was surprised (not really)
that the entire bottom of the box was rotted out. The
battery was siting on only about 4″ of what remained
of the fibreglass. Another freaking job, WOW, wouldn’t
it be nice just to replace the battery without having
to rebuild anything?
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Allan
If it is only used for starting the engine, then all you need is a large
automobile battery. I went down to my local discount outlet and bought the
largest automobile starter battery they have. In truth, a lawn-mower
battery would start my Yanmar, but there’s no need to get anything that
small. My old W-60 would need to crank for as long as 30 seconds before
starting, so it needed a larger battery. I assume your W-58 is similar. A
deep cycle battery isn’t usually designed to function well as a starter
battery, so they aren’t always the best choice in those applications.Rich
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Hi Alan,
I went to WalMart and got a group 29 or 31 (I forget which) which they call 'Marine Starting Battery'. It's only a year old, but it seems to be working – it's actually wired as bank 2, so it can perform house duties also for 10 or 15 minutes (that's a joke).
The bank 1 is three 4D AGMs. I hope they last. They were expensive.
Bob
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Rich Carter < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Allan
If it is only used for starting the engine, then all you need is a large
automobile battery. I went down to my local discount outlet and bought the
largest automobile starter battery they have. In truth, a lawn-mower
battery would start my Yanmar, but there's no need to get anything that
small. My old W-60 would need to crank for as long as 30 seconds before
starting, so it needed a larger battery. I assume your W-58 is similar. A
deep cycle battery isn't usually designed to function well as a starter
battery, so they aren't always the best choice in those applications.Rich
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Actually my W58 starts right up… after 2-3 seconds –
maybe 10 if I havent run it in a few weeks. No more
than that… which is why it’s still in the boat.
Well, that and the fact I don’t have the money to swap
it out.
alan— Rich Carter <> wrote:
Quote:Allan
If it is only used for starting the engine, then all
you need is a large
automobile battery. I went down to my local
discount outlet and bought the
largest automobile starter battery they have. In
truth, a lawn-mower
battery would start my Yanmar, but there’s no need
to get anything that
small. My old W-60 would need to crank for as long
as 30 seconds before
starting, so it needed a larger battery. I assume
your W-58 is similar. A
deep cycle battery isn’t usually designed to
function well as a starter
battery, so they aren’t always the best choice in
those applications.Rich
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If you are rebuilding the stock box (Mine was in the starboard locker, and
took a LOT of room) you may want to consider re-locating. I put mine under
the steering quadrant. This is space that is not very useable for anything
that might shift, but ther is just barely enough room for a flat platform,
T105, and a piece of plywood over the top to prevent interfering/shorting on
the quadrant. I think I will be able to fit 6 T105s back there.I cut the Pearson box out two weekends ago with a sawzall, so I am committed
now.There are some pics on the 424 website.
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Hi Walter,
Do you not have an autopilot? That's where my actuator is.
Bob
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Walter Piescik < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:If you are rebuilding the stock box (Mine was in the starboard locker, and
took a LOT of room) you may want to consider re-locating. I put mine under
the steering quadrant. This is space that is not very useable for anything
that might shift, but ther is just barely enough room for a flat platform,
T105, and a piece of plywood over the top to prevent interfering/shorting on
the quadrant. I think I will be able to fit 6 T105s back there.I cut the Pearson box out two weekends ago with a sawzall, so I am committed
now.There are some pics on the 424 website.
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Walt, NICE JOB!
What a great idea.
Some of my space down there is taken up with an
autopilot. But, I might have room for at least the
starting battery. Since I am installing an automatic
charge relay anyhow, the wiring will be a cinch.
It will cleanup some of the stb locker.
alan
— Walter Piescik <> wrote:Quote:If you are rebuilding the stock box (Mine was in the
starboard locker, and
took a LOT of room) you may want to consider
re-locating. I put mine under
the steering quadrant. This is space that is not
very useable for anything
that might shift, but ther is just barely enough
room for a flat platform,
T105, and a piece of plywood over the top to prevent
interfering/shorting on
the quadrant. I think I will be able to fit 6 T105s
back there.I cut the Pearson box out two weekends ago with a
sawzall, so I am committed
now.There are some pics on the 424 website.
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Also, can you work on the rudder post packing? Or do you have to remove the batteries and box to work on it?
Thanks,
Bob
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Robert Fine < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Hi Walter,Do you not have an autopilot? That's where my actuator is.
Bob
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Walter Piescik < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:If you are rebuilding the stock box (Mine was in the starboard locker, and
took a LOT of room) you may want to consider re-locating. I put mine under
the steering quadrant. This is space that is not very useable for anything
that might shift, but ther is just barely enough room for a flat platform,
T105, and a piece of plywood over the top to prevent interfering/shorting on
the quadrant. I think I will be able to fit 6 T105s back there.I cut the Pearson box out two weekends ago with a sawzall, so I am committed
now.There are some pics on the 424 website.
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I don’t have a real good picture but, Bank 1 is under
the companionway boards in the picture
Bank 2 is under what loks to be grey plywood.
Starting battery is under the extension cord.
Bank 1 and 2 are Trojan 125’s. They are end to end
(for-aft)
Starting battery is anthwartships.
You can see the 1/2/ALL combining battery switch
there.alan
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Alan:
Thanks. I have the 2 original boxes that you have your Trojans in. Aft of
them, I have shelves (not proper boxes as my surveyor made note of), with
room for 2 more 4D’s, running for/aft. I hadn’t decided where I would put a
separate starting battery, possibly where you have your water heater on the
port side locker just beside the engine.Paul
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Alan,
I found the same totally rotten shelves when I first looked underneath the old batteries in my boat’s original starboard
cockpit locker battery boxes. In addition, one of the boxes was partially saturated with battery acid, too. As I’ve
described in the past, I relocated my batteries belowdecks (and switched to AGM’s). Then I tore out all the wood and
remnant shelving in the old fiberglass boxes, washed the acid away with lots of baking soda solution, and now use the
clean, empty twin boxes for general, compartmentalized storage. I may yet sawzall the whole thing out of there, but so
far have not had a reason to do so.Tor
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Re starting my W58. I have a “heavy duty” truck starting battery in my box–it was the smallest that would fit in what appears to be the original box. Starting motors should not be run for more than 15 seconds without a pause between starting efforts to allow it to cool. I always heat up the glow plugs before starting–I’ve been in Maine and the Martitme provinces for the last several years. Several seasons ago the glow plug circuit quit while we were in Georgian Bay. To assure a morning start, I would get up at 0100 or so to run the engine to keep it warm and covering it to keep it worm until moving time. Even at that it took an effort to start the vewry cold engine. When we finally gat back to port just north of Chicago, the starter was burned out from the extended running.
Norris Larson on Easy Reach, 1983.
alan P <> wrote:
Quote:Walt, NICE JOB!
What a great idea.
Some of my space down there is taken up with an
autopilot. But, I might have room for at least the
starting battery. Since I am installing an automatic
charge relay anyhow, the wiring will be a cinch.
It will cleanup some of the stb locker.
alan
— Walter Piescik wrote:Quote:If you are rebuilding the stock box (Mine was in the
starboard locker, and
took a LOT of room) you may want to consider
re-locating. I put mine under
the steering quadrant. This is space that is not
very useable for anything
that might shift, but ther is just barely enough
room for a flat platform,
T105, and a piece of plywood over the top to prevent
interfering/shorting on
the quadrant. I think I will be able to fit 6 T105s
back there.I cut the Pearson box out two weekends ago with a
sawzall, so I am committed
now.There are some pics on the 424 website.
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Thanks for the nice words, Alan.
Yes, Robert, I have an autopilot, but it is mounted to the very top of the
rudder post. The hydraulic ram is nestled between the fuel tank and the
cockpit sole. The loads on the top of the rudder post are counterbalanced
using a contraption of my own design that is …wait for it…patent
pending.Access to rudder post stuffing will require moving batteries out of the way
if you were to install 6 batteries. I think you could still service it
without moving batteries if you only have 4 batteries back there. Mine does
not need much attention, as it is normally above waterline.The other down side is access to check the water level in the batteries;
everything has trade-offs.
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Hi Walter – you said the magic words – your packing gland is normally above the water line. Mine isn't (it's leaking which is a dead giveaway). I'm going to transfer all chain to forward of mast and move tools so that it comes up for repacking.
The battery thing you did is beautiful, though, and obviously well thought out.
Thanks,
Bob
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Walter Piescik < ([email][/email])> wrote:
Quote:Thanks for the nice words, Alan.Yes, Robert, I have an autopilot, but it is mounted to the very top of the
rudder post. The hydraulic ram is nestled between the fuel tank and the
cockpit sole. The loads on the top of the rudder post are counterbalanced
using a contraption of my own design that is …wait for it…patent
pending.Access to rudder post stuffing will require moving batteries out of the way
if you were to install 6 batteries. I think you could still service it
without moving batteries if you only have 4 batteries back there. Mine does
not need much attention, as it is normally above waterline.The other down side is access to check the water level in the batteries;
everything has trade-offs.
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