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One or more in this group have modernized their
freshwater plumbing and mentioned some kind of
quick-connectors that replaced those horrid old things
Pearson used. The old ones are oversensitive, leak
easily and strip their threads with little provocation.
Can someone – Pete Dubler, maybe – tell me the name of
a new, improved version of these for connecting the
freshwater lines throughout the boat?Thanks,
Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
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Attached is a photo of one butt connector I like (just
the circled wing-nut caps and gaskets, which fit over
the water lines we have in our Pearsons). Anyone know
what these are called, who makes them and/or where I
can order them?Tor
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Tor,
The slip on connectors are available at Home Depot, but Sea Tech is
probably the ones you’re looking for. Pearson hoses are 3/8″ ID, 1/2″ OD.They’re not terrible expensive and you can order them online. They’re the
ones I use and use on customers’ boats.Bob
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Silverheels via maillist <
> wrote:One or more in this group have modernized their
freshwater plumbing and mentioned some kind of
quick-connectors that replaced those horrid old things
Pearson used. The old ones are oversensitive, leak
easily and strip their threads with little provocation.
Can someone – Pete Dubler, maybe – tell me the name of
a new, improved version of these for connecting the
freshwater lines throughout the boat?Thanks,
Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
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I believe they are John Guest fittings. 1/2″ OD tubing. X 3/8 or 1/2 mpt. Pretty cheap in bulk online. I thought I had replaced them at all the sinks and found a leak from an original fitting just two weeks ago… I keep extra John Guest fittings onboard
Pete
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They work, too. I think SeaTech is less expensive, but I guess it depends
on the source. Basically the same things. If you want to spend lots of
money, Shark fittings are great, too.Bob
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wrote:Quote:I believe they are John Guest fittings. 1/2″ OD tubing. X 3/8 or 1/2 mpt.
Pretty cheap in bulk online. I thought I had replaced them at all the
sinks and found a leak from an original fitting just two weeks ago… I
keep extra John Guest fittings onboardPete
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Bob/Pete,
Thank you both. Either brand – SeaTech or John Guest –
looks like what I want. I’m just trying to figure out
which model I need for these on board connections. I
know the hoses are 1/2″ OD. x 3/8″ ID. The boat’s
faucets, galley and head, offer a threaded female pipe
that appears to be 13/16″ ID, but I don’t think pipes
are measured that way, are they? So, any idea which
model or series SeaTech or John Guest will connect that
hose to that threaded female pipe?I also want to add on/off valves to the connections at
the water heater (same size female threaded pipes).Tor
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Hi Tor,
The fittings for faucets are standardized – I think they’re either 1/2″ MPT
or 5/8″. There are standard faucet fittings with a gasket that will take
the plastic tubing on one side and the faucet on the other.Bob
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> wrote:Quote:Bob/Pete,Thank you both. Either brand – SeaTech or John Guest –
looks like what I want. I’m just trying to figure out
which model I need for these on board connections. I
know the hoses are 1/2″ OD. x 3/8″ ID. The boat’s
faucets, galley and head, offer a threaded female pipe
that appears to be 13/16″ ID, but I don’t think pipes
are measured that way, are they? So, any idea which
model or series SeaTech or John Guest will connect that
hose to that threaded female pipe?I also want to add on/off valves to the connections at
the water heater (same size female threaded pipes).Tor
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What’s MPT?
Tor
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Tor
We replumbed Clairebuoyant this spring. Went to home depot and got 1/2″ pex tubing. Cheaper than “marine.” Started with sharkbite fittings, which just push together and are reusable. We use them a lot in the house since our copper pipe doesn’t much get along with well water.
About halfway done, switched to a pex brand crimping tool, pex L and T brass connectors and copper sleeves. Much cheaper but access space can be problematic. For connections used pex tubing to 1/2″ male thread adapters, then the braided connectors used to connect kitchen or bathroom faucets. They also have nice shut off valves that crimp in line,
If you are Amazon prime member, you can save a little from the home depot price.
Connecting the hot water heater, you will need braided hoses that are 1/2″ tapered pipe thread on both ends. Only found them at Amazon.
No leaks, no crappy plastic.
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Male Pipe Thread. FPT? Female. NPT National.
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Thanks, Quent. I’d prefer to get along without a
special crimping tool, and (though I may be mistaken,
often am) brass connectors and copper sleeves may add
more variants than necessary here. All I’m doing it
connecting a plastic (or whatever this stuff is) hose
to a (presumably) bronze pipe. If the end result is
watertight, I’m a happy camper.Tor
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Google said MPT is Maryland Public Television.
OK, Bob. I’m measuring 13/16″ ID on that pipe fitting. Allowing for senility, it’s most likely the 3/8″ MPT that will screw into that threaded female pipe. Ergo…
Am I correct that I need the SeaTech or John Guest quick connect fitting that accepts 1/2″ hose at one end and boasts a 3/8″ MPT at the other? In you professional opinion (but without the fee), is that what’s going to connect those two disparate items?
IQ-deficiently yours,
Tor
Supreme Commander
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Google said MPT is Maryland Public Television.
OK, Bob. I’m measuring 13/16″ ID on that pipe fitting. Allowing for senility, it’s most likely the 3/8″ MPT that will screw into that threaded female pipe. Ergo…
Am I correct that I need the SeaTech or John Guest quick connect fitting that accepts 1/2″ hose at one end and boasts a 3/8″ MPT at the other? In you professional opinion (but without the fee), is that what’s going to connect those two disparate items?
IQ-deficiently yours,
Tor
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Both manufacturers make various fittings. The one you’re looking for is
tubing to faucet.
http://www.seatechinc.com/Products/Inch_Size_Fittings_Manifolds_Valves_and_Tubing/24_Series___Thermal_Plastic
looking for swivel fittings, probably 3/4 closet.Bob
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> wrote:Quote:Google said MPT is Maryland Public Television.OK, Bob. I’m measuring 13/16″ ID on that pipe fitting. Allowing for
senility, it’s most likely the 3/8″ MPT that will screw into that threaded
female pipe. Ergo…Am I correct that I need the SeaTech or John Guest quick connect fitting
that accepts 1/2″ hose at one end and boasts a 3/8″ MPT at the other? In
you professional opinion (but without the fee), is that what’s going to
connect those two disparate items?IQ-deficiently yours,
Tor
Supreme Commander
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Thanks, Bob.
Man, I have to say their website sucks. I am not without some experience at this stuff, but I can’t figure out what fitting does what, how it works, and what it has to combine with to accomplish the very simple task I need accomplished. NPS, closet, FGHT, for heaven’s sake. How do they expect anyone who isn’t a Certified Plumbing Professional to know what to use here? Lots of photos, but not one – not one! – showing the inside workings to illustrate to us morons how the fitting functions, what unscrews, where the hose enters, how it butts up to whatever and remains watertight; nada. Nothing to suggest, “Here is a fitting that will take a 1/2″ OD hose in one end and connect to a threaded female pipe at the other, or a male pipe fitting, in which case here is the female-to-male adapter.” There is no way laymen can order from these guys with any hope of getting something useful. How do you do it? I mean, aside from being frighteningly intelligent?
OK, that’s my morning rant. Maybe tomorrow I’ll send it to their customer service department and see if they can tell me what parts to order.
Tor
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Tor,
Go to Utube and search for the type of fitting you are interested in. You
should be able to find some instructions and explanations.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com
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> wrote:Quote:Thanks, Bob.Man, I have to say their website sucks. I am not without some experience
at this stuff, but I can’t figure out what fitting does what, how it works,
and what it has to combine with to accomplish the very simple task I need
accomplished. NPS, closet, FGHT, for heaven’s sake. How do they expect
anyone who isn’t a Certified Plumbing Professional to know what to use
here? Lots of photos, but not one – not one! – showing the inside workings
to illustrate to us morons how the fitting functions, what unscrews, where
the hose enters, how it butts up to whatever and remains watertight; nada.
Nothing to suggest, “Here is a fitting that will take a 1/2” OD hose in one
end and connect to a threaded female pipe at the other, or a male pipe
fitting, in which case here is the female-to-male adapter.” There is no way
laymen can order from these guys with any hope of getting something useful.
How do you do it? I mean, aside from being frighteningly intelligent?OK, that’s my morning rant. Maybe tomorrow I’ll send it to their customer
service department and see if they can tell me what parts to order.Tor
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OK, I’m calmer now. I have contacted SeaTech and John Guest and asked them, nicely, if they would tell me what fittings I need to connect my hoses to the faucet pipes. Thanks Bob and Pete for the leads.
Tor
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Thanks, John. I actually just came across those YouTube
videos. The John Guest short was wonderfully
illustrative. One wonders why the manufacturers don’t
link to them or include them on their websites. (Or
maybe they do and I missed it.) I’ll wait for them to
reply to my “which fittings” query and then order what
I need. I’ll be glad to be rid of the old, original
connectors. Should’ve done it years ago.Tor
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My apologies to the forum for my language earlier. (I should have just said the website is not perfectly clear to the uninitiated.)
Tor
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Tor,
When you get started I may drive down to give you the benefit of my
supervision[?].
I have been planning to replace all of the water hose and fittings for
several years, but just can’t seem to get enough ambition to start. One
thing I would like to do is install a deck fitting to allow me to take dock
water directly to my faucets, bypassing the tanks and pump. However I have
been unwilling to risk putting city water pressure (even when regulated by
the deck fitting) into those 35 year old hoses. For me the biggest
impediment is figuring out how to do the installation and minimize the
amount time my system is down. I will probably take it one section at a
time (galley, head, and forward cabin). That will extend the project, but
maybe I won’t have any one section down for more than a day or two.Regards,
John Stevenson
http://www.svsarah.com
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> wrote:Quote:Thanks, John. I actually just came across those YouTube
videos. The John Guest short was wonderfully
illustrative. One wonders why the manufacturers don’t
link to them or include them on their websites. (Or
maybe they do and I missed it.) I’ll wait for them to
reply to my “which fittings” query and then order what
I need. I’ll be glad to be rid of the old, original
connectors. Should’ve done it years ago.Tor
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John,
Silverheels came with that dock hose deck connection
already installed in the outboard side of the port
cockpit combing, and I’m glad for it. I’m almost never
dockside when I’m cruising, but here at my home port I
am and I use a dock hose as you’re proposing to do.
You’ll want to buy a pressure regulator, which simply
screws into the deck fitting. The dock hose screws into
that. I’d say it’s an absolute necessity. City water
pressure varies greatly and will often exceed what our
boat systems can handle. A buddy of mine very nearly
sunk his boat at the dock once because he neglected to
install a regulator inline. Naturally, the internal
hose or fitting that burst did so while he was away
from the boat. Fortunately he returned before it was
too late, but it was a close call. With the regulator,
though, I believe it’s a fairly safe system. Of course,
I don’t leave the boat for longer than local
day-errands without shutting the water off at the dock.I don’t recall what the regulated pressure is offhand,
but Silverheels’ original plumbing has handled it
without incident. I did replace the hose between the
deck fitting and the manifold beneath the galley sink,
along with much of the other plumbing and hoses in the
boat. But the hoses and fittings that carry freshwater
to the faucets and shower are original.As for living temporarily without pressure water
aboard, invest in a 3-gallon insecticide can from Home
Depot. The attached clipping from SAIL explains it.
That has been my shower this past week while I’ve been
installing a new shower faucet in the head, rebuilding
the old head sink faucet, and so on. You can also bring
it into the galley to wash dishes, etc. It’ll take some
of the inconvenience out of working on your boat’s
freshwater system, and thereafter it’ll provide a
mobile deck shower when you’re cruising.Tor
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You know, Tor, how sailing has its own vocabulary? Well, plumbing does,
too, even on a boat. All faucets have standardized fittings (at least here
in the US). They can be one of three types, one, like you have, is a 3/4″
fitting that has a nut that has a gasket in it, like a garden hose. That’s
the closet fitting, I think (which actually means ‘toilet’, closet for
water closet). The other is a female compression fitting, and the final
one is a male compression fitting.Anyway, I could go all plumber on ya, but you get the idea.
Bob
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> wrote:Quote:Thanks, John. I actually just came across those YouTube
videos. The John Guest short was wonderfully
illustrative. One wonders why the manufacturers don’t
link to them or include them on their websites. (Or
maybe they do and I missed it.) I’ll wait for them to
reply to my “which fittings” query and then order what
I need. I’ll be glad to be rid of the old, original
connectors. Should’ve done it years ago.Tor
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How’d you learn so much? I’m pretty much limited to reefing early.
In truth, there is scarcely a skill, trade or science that is not required knowledge aboard an ocean-going sailboat. I have just added Plumbing 101 to the repertoire, albeit reluctantly and just barely.
Thanks, Bob.
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I assume that’s a rhetorical question, but in case it isn’t, I was a
Nuclear Machinist Mate in the USN, as well as Engineering Laboratory
Technician. Before that, I broke and fixed more cars than most people have
in their life times. After that, I learned welding and machine shop work.
Then, built a house (or pestered people building one), and now repairing
other people’s boats.The secret is knowing who to talk to in the plumbing store (take a part in,
frown or whimper depending on it’s importance, and wait for the guy to go,
“Oh, that’s a frammistammel – a half inch one. I’ll be right back.”)The same things break all the time. If it’s broken on your boat, it’s been
broken on mine, and since I’ve already fixed it once, it’s easier to do on
yours.Oh, and tools. You have to have lots of tools. Some you find the purpose
for only after you’ve purchased it. Of course, then you have to find a
place for it. There is no doubt a special tool for the frammistammel, and
I no doubt have it but there’s a huge doubt about me finding said tool.Anyway, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
On the other hand, I couldn’t sell heaters to Eskimos.
Bob
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knowledge aboard an ocean-going sailboat. I have just added Plumbing 101 to
the repertoire, albeit reluctantly and just barely.Thanks, Bob.
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Ah, that explains a lot. I, on the other hand, was a hippie. No skills, but a lot of fun.
I do all right in stores working with go-to guys. It’s these esoteric websites that explain too little and assume too much that make me crazy. And that’s MY story and…
Hey, I can get you a great deal on some Arctic heaters. Demand has dropped off here in Florida.
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Sadly I missed being a hippie by this much.
Pardon the brevity. I’m typing this on my phone and I hate typing on my
phone.
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but a lot of fun.I do all right in stores working with go-to guys. It’s these esoteric
websites that explain too little and assume too much that make me crazy.
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Tor,
I redid the distribution manifold on Easy Reach in 2010 with push and click fittings. I can’t remember the brand I used and it took some effort to properly engineer the layout and get fittings that would work in the confined space under the galley sink. Expert advice was not readily available. Had she not been on the market, redoing the whole domestic water system would have been on my wish list.Â
I’m not home now, but I may have some records that I can refer to find the brand names. I recollect there were at least two and I used the one carried by the local yard in South Amboy, NJ so I could play with pieces in the chandelry before taking them to the boat.
Norris Larson
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Sadly I missed being a hippie by this much.
Pardon the brevity. I’m typing this on my phone and I hate typing on my
phone.
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but a lot of fun.I do all right in stores working with go-to guys. It’s these esoteric
websites that explain too little and assume too much that make me crazy.
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Thanks, Norris. I think either SeaTech or John Guess
fittings will work for me. I agree with your idea of
using a brand that is sold locally, though, so you can
see and experiment with the parts. I’m holding off
buying what I need until my next trip to Home Depot for
that very reason. Too difficult to figure out the parts
on a website.Tor
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Here are the ones I used on our 424. These worked on all the sinks and
I also used them on the manifold at the water heater. I did not need
any other size.Pete
FreshWaterSystems.com
http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-2977-john-guest-male-connector-nptf-polypro-12-x-12-nptf.aspx*John Guest Male Connector NPTF Polypro – 1/2 x 1/2 NPTF – *
Part # PP011624W 20 $2.26
.03 $45.26
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Quote:Thanks, Norris. I think either SeaTech or John Guess
fittings will work for me. I agree with your idea of
using a brand that is sold locally, though, so you can
see and experiment with the parts. I’m holding off
buying what I need until my next trip to Home Depot for
that very reason. Too difficult to figure out the parts
on a website.Tor
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Thanks, Pete. Are the threaded female bronze pipes at
your faucets and water heater 3/4″ ID? This fitting to
which you linked appears to be an adapter, basically
changing that threaded female pipe end into a threaded
male terminus. I presume this threaded male end is what
the John Guess quick-connect fitting at the end of your
1/2″ OD water hose screws onto. Yes? Maybe? And if you
wanted to install an on/off valve in between these,
which part number would that be?Tor
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Can you wait until I get down there in December? I’ll take care of the job.
Bob
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> wrote:Quote:Thanks, Pete. Are the threaded female bronze pipes at
your faucets and water heater 3/4″ ID? This fitting to
which you linked appears to be an adapter, basically
changing that threaded female pipe end into a threaded
male terminus. I presume this threaded male end is what
the John Guess quick-connect fitting at the end of your
1/2″ OD water hose screws onto. Yes? Maybe? And if you
wanted to install an on/off valve in between these,
which part number would that be?Tor
Silverheels, P-424 #17
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all 1/2″
On 6/27/2014 5:35 PM, Robert Fine via maillist wrote:
Quote:Can you wait until I get down there in December? I’ll take care of the job.Bob
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> wrote:Quote:Thanks, Pete. Are the threaded female bronze pipes at
your faucets and water heater 3/4″ ID? This fitting to
which you linked appears to be an adapter, basically
changing that threaded female pipe end into a threaded
male terminus. I presume this threaded male end is what
the John Guess quick-connect fitting at the end of your
1/2″ OD water hose screws onto. Yes? Maybe? And if you
wanted to install an on/off valve in between these,
which part number would that be?Tor
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The water heater itself may be 3/4″ but the manifold that has all the
hot and cold water lines is 1/2″ on the output side.On 6/27/2014 5:04 PM, Silverheels via maillist wrote:
Quote:Thanks, Pete. Are the threaded female bronze pipes at
your faucets and water heater 3/4″ ID? This fitting to
which you linked appears to be an adapter, basically
changing that threaded female pipe end into a threaded
male terminus. I presume this threaded male end is what
the John Guess quick-connect fitting at the end of your
1/2″ OD water hose screws onto. Yes? Maybe? And if you
wanted to install an on/off valve in between these,
which part number would that be?Tor
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Your bronze pipes are 1/2″ ID? Oh, Pearson, you are
cruel AND inconsistent.OK, thanks. I’ll check out Home Depot.
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